Landorus EX. How would you run it?

[Fox_Master51]

Landorus EX is one of the eye catchers of Freeze Bolt / Cold Flare. How would one run such a beast? I'd like to know. How would any of you run this card? Here is the Translation for reference:

Landorus-EX - Fighting - HP180
Basic Pokemon

[F] Hammer Head: 30 damage. Choose one of the opponent's Benched Pokemon. This attack does 30 damage to it.
[F][F][C] Earth Judgment: 80+ damage. You may discard all Fighting Energy attached to Landorus-EX. If you do, this attack does 70 more damage.

Weakness: Water (x2)
Resistance: Lightning (-20)
Retreat: 3

[HerpTheDerp]

Originally Posted by Fox_Master51

Landorus EX is one of the eye catchers of Freeze Bolt / Cold Flare. How would one run such a beast? I'd like to know. How would any of you run this card? Here is the Translation for reference:

Landorus-EX - Fighting - HP180
Basic Pokemon

[F] Hammer Head: 30 damage. Choose one of the opponent's Benched Pokemon. This attack does 30 damage to it.
[F][F][C] Earth Judgment: 80+ damage. You may discard all Fighting Energy attached to Landorus-EX. If you do, this attack does 70 more damage.

Weakness: Water (x2)
Resistance: Lightning (-20)
Retreat: 3

I would donk tynamos like no tomorrow. Doing essentially 60 damage to Eelektrik and Darkrai variants for 1 energy is amazing. And Damage spread to boot. I would run it in an Exp Share/Ether/Groudon EX/Terrakion variant of sorts (I actually may make a list soon). His synergy with Groudon is great.

[Fox_Master51]

Along with that, I would run Virizion as a counter for Blastoise/ Keldeo. With Either and Catcher, Virizion can donk Squirtle and null it's ability. Also with Landorus's Hammer Head you can set up KO's on anything.

[HerpTheDerp]

Originally Posted by Fox_Master51

Along with that, I would run Virizion as a counter for Blastoise/ Keldeo. With Either and Catcher, Virizion can donk Squirtle and null it's ability. Also with Landorus's Hammer Head you can set up KO's on anything.

I'm not sure about Virizion. I was leaning more towards a Shaymin EX as he can be pretty sweepy towards the end, but I don't know how i feel about the low hp and 2 prizes. I'd ahve to playtest it. The drawing is nice from Virizion but either one would be OHKO'd. At least Shaymin EX can sweep a lot of things though. But, again hahah, the whole 2 prizes....

[Wes1234]

In a Darkrai-heavy format and the presense of electric type pokemon, This thing would wreck havoc turn 1. I could EASILY see this as welcome addition to Terrakion/Groudon EX decks.

[pnoodle5]

I would do virizion personally because ideally you donk the squirtles before they evolve, or you'll end up with a nasty Keldeo all up in your business.
And running 2 EX or more in fairly large counts makes me lean non-EX.

The big Hydreigon deck at Japanese Nats ran Darkrai EX and Shaymin EX, and if I remember correctly that's it for Pokemon EX, so Shaymin became a better play.

[Fox_Master51]

Keldeo is gonna be one of those mons that people can't get get enough of. Nothing's more demoralizing than being beaten by My Little Pony. No thank you.

[pnoodle5]

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Kill the Squirtles.

[Fox_Master51]

Originally Posted by pnoodle5

http://twitterdex.net/images/thumb/4...eo_pokemon.jpg

Kill the Squirtles.

Case and point. It's a 'colt' you really shouldn't join. You'd be a 'foal' to take it on.

[Otaku]

Build a deck that is mostly Trainers with a solid amount of Energy and minimal Pokemon... as in a few Landorus EX, a back-up Terrakion (to counter Sigilyph), and then a few Solrock.

Edit: Pretty sure that was supposed to read "Lunatone", to set up for Ether.

Maybe an Emolga or something just to clean out your deck. The main goal is just to rip through your deck, including snagging Ethers. If you can dump spare drawn Energies with Ultra Ball/Computer search, N/Juniper/Bianca plus Bicycle could be mighty impressive.

[pnoodle5]

That'd be pretty awesome!

[psychup2034]

Originally Posted by Fox_Master51

How would one run such a beast? I'd like to know.

In a deck with Fighting Energy.

[Fox_Master51]

Originally Posted by psychup2034

In a deck with Fighting Energy.

Ahahaa. You're a comic genius.

[Nick Shetz]

I most likely will be running Landorus/Garchomp/Mewtwo
I think Mewtwo is going to give Keldeo Some Trouble and would definitely fill for Landorus's weakness
Start With Landorus do some serious Havoc for one energy power up a Garchomp or 2 really fast and just start wailing while i get a Landorus set up and then another as the game progresses... Garchomp is a really Fast Stage 2 and would make a good Dragon Counter.

[Otaku]

Wow... can't believe in my original post I typed "Solrock" instead of Lunatone. So one, maybe two Lunatone since they are easier to get into hand first turn for Ether shenanigans, then run plenty of Pokédex because they can be surprisingly useful once the Ether/Pokédex combo is realized.

Pokédex is one of those oddball cards that has existed since the game began and was just too weak... but also seemed to only exist in the worst possible formats for it. We've got potent but sometimes painful draw power right now; knowing ahead of time that if you trash your great hand to use Professor Juniper you will hit that key card you're desperate for is pretty important... or knowing that using Professor Juniper will probably whiff (you'll see five of the seven cards) and you might as well use N for a smaller return, but less waste.

Of course, we won't have access to this option for a while yet.

[Kayle]

Originally Posted by Fox_Master51

Ahahaa. You're a comic genius.

What's funny is, he's actually not only exactly correct, his answer is actually quite philosophically sound.

It's an amazing opening attacker for literally any deck with the Fighting energy to power Hammerhead. You might as well try it in there and see what happens.

[Fox_Master51]

Originally Posted by Kayle

What's funny is, he's actually not only exactly correct, his answer is actually quite philosophically sound.

It's an amazing opening attacker for literally any deck with the Fighting energy to power Hammerhead. You might as well try it in there and see what happens.

Well I thought he was being sarcastic by stating the obvious.

I'm kinda surprised people are still posting on here. I made this thread months ago

[Shen]

For all the people suggesting Shaymin or Virizion to counter Kaldeo/Blastoise... do you really need to counter it? Really, I don't see Virizion being that strong of a counter once Blastoise hits the field, you're only doing 80, it will always be a 2HKO on anything in the deck. Why not just run an alternative attacker, like Terrakion or something? It doesn't suffer from water weakness, will also 2HKO, doesn't hurt consistency, and covers other match-ups as well. Shaymin is a little better, but you can't start OHKOing until 2 prizes in, 3 if eviolite is played. Besides that it's even easier for Kaldeo to KO than Virizion. I also suspect Kaldeo/Blastoise to run alternative attackers to get away from Grass weaknesses (Mewtwo for example).

I guess you can argue that pulling Squirtle off the bench for a prize T1 is a benefit of either but that's a lot to pull off on the first turn.

edit forgot to post something on topic. I was planning on trying it much like Otaku said... with Lunatone and Ethers, and then playing Terrakion and maybe Mewtwo alongside it. Should probably run DCE's so you don't have to discard everything for the second attack. I am afraid Lunatone might end up being a liability due to its huge retreat, but since EVERYTHING in the deck has huge retreat you would probably end up playing high Switch/Escape Ropes anyways. The cool thing is Heavy Ball gets just about anything. It sounds pretty devastating, 60 on the field T1 and potentially 150 T2. Putting 30 on something and then following up with 150 should be enough to KO anything not counting resistance and eviolite.

[Kayle]

Originally Posted by Fox_Master51

Well I thought he was being sarcastic by stating the obvious.

I'm kinda surprised people are still posting on here. I made this thread months ago

I didn't even notice, haha. Props to Psychup for knowing his stuff three months in advance!

[Otaku]

Nick revived the thread. With Ether being cut, but also the card being so hyped by well known players (Jay and Esa to name just two), our old answers no longer quite suffice.

Also as Shen brought it back up, while I favor Shaymin EX over Verizion (since the former can be useful as a closer in general), Virizion can OHKO a Squirtle, and if your opponent cannot get a Blastoise set up or doesn't already have a Keldeo EX with three+ Water Energy attached, its Water Resistance keeps it from being a OHKO. If Keldeo EX attacks and doesn't go for the OHKO, barring some bizarre combo like double Pokémon Catcher, Verizion gets to Leaf Wallop for 160. Since we are dealing with non-Pokémon-EX versus Pokémon-EX, this could work.

Keldeo EX has to be careful how much Energy it uses as well, since we are accelerating from the hand. Load up Keldeo EX to take down a Virizion with Eviolite in one shot, and that is five Water Energy... meaning a Mewtwo EX is X-Balling for at least 140 in one shot. Even without Weakness, loading too much Energy onto a single Keldeo EX is a big risk.

[Nintendan]

Originally Posted by Otaku

Nick revived the thread. With Ether being cut, but also the card being so hyped by well known players (Jay and Esa to name just two), our old answers no longer quite suffice.

Also as Shen brought it back up, while I favor Shaymin EX over Verizion (since the former can be useful as a closer in general), Virizion can OHKO a Squirtle, and if your opponent cannot get a Blastoise set up or doesn't already have a Keldeo EX with three+ Water Energy attached, its Water Resistance keeps it from being a OHKO. If Keldeo EX attacks and doesn't go for the OHKO, barring some bizarre combo like double Pokémon Catcher, Verizion gets to Leaf Wallop for 160. Since we are dealing with non-Pokémon-EX versus Pokémon-EX, this could work.

Keldeo EX has to be careful how much Energy it uses as well, since we are accelerating from the hand. Load up Keldeo EX to take down a Virizion with Eviolite in one shot, and that is five Water Energy... meaning a Mewtwo EX is X-Balling for at least 140 in one shot. Even without Weakness, loading too much Energy onto a single Keldeo EX is a big risk.

Very true about the Mewtwo. I think Blastoise/Keldeo will play it's own for obvious reasons.
But remember most lists will run 3-4 SSU to heal the Keldeo.

[Pikajew1213]

Ill play it with mewtwo.....
I play mewtwo in everything

[psychup2034]

Originally Posted by Nintendan

But remember most lists will run 3-4 SSU to heal the Keldeo.

Ugh, Blastoise/Keldeo EX lists are so tight already. How are you fitting in 3-4 SSUs? What are you cutting? Skylas? Supporters?

[Otaku]

Super Scoop Up is a flip, so while I do expect to see it used, it won't always work, ergo a 2HKO is still a major threat. Plus, I was trying to point out that a OHKO wasn't impossible either, or only an option via exploiting Weakness. So regardless, loading up too much Energy on a single Keldeo EX remains a significant risk; which is not to say it will be crippling.