Kecleon vs. Pokemon EX

[Mr. Grass]

Here's the text of Kecleon's PokeBody
Energy Variation - Kecleon's type is the same as every type of basic Energy card attached to Kecleon.

So if Kecleon has a Grass and Lightning energy attached it is a Grass and Lightning Type. So here's a few questions and what I think.

1. What if Kecleon attacks a Pokemon EX that has two weakness, like Kabutops Ex (weak to Grass and Lightning)?
I figure that the attack would only do double damage since the rules don't say anything about a weakness for each type, but I just want to bring the idea up.
2. What if a Kecleon with a Fire and Water energy attached attacked a pokemon that is weak to Fire and Resistant to Water?
I think this would probably just follow the old rules of applying Weakness first then resistance, again it's just something I'd like to point out before it comes up in a tourney situation.

[dkates]

On the second scenario, I agree with you. On the first, there are two possibilities. One is that it only does double damage. The other, which I tend to think would be the case, is that the damage would be doubled twice, for a grand total multiplier of 4. Ouch!

[DaytonGymLeader]

I agree with 2, but disagree with 1.

The symbols just show what it is weak/resistant to, not how weakness/resistance is applied.

[vincent0906]

1. What if Kecleon attacks a Pokemon EX that has two weakness, like Kabutops Ex (weak to Grass and Lightning)?
I figure that the attack would only do double damage since the rules don't say anything about a weakness for each type, but I just want to bring the idea up.
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If you do 40 to kabutop EX originally in this case, multiply it by 4
It's because Kecleon is now both grass and lighting type.

2. What if a Kecleon with a Fire and Water energy attached attacked a pokemon that is weak to Fire and Resistant to Water?
I think this would probably just follow the old rules of applying Weakness first then resistance, again it's just something I'd like to point out before it comes up in a tourney situation.
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Apply weakness first then resistance.

remarks:
The next set : EX Dragon will release some Dragon Pokemon that have two resistance, for example, Flydon has both Lighting and Fighting Resistance.
In this case, if a Kecleon which fighting and lighting energy attached to attack Flydon, reduce that damage by 60.

[babayaga]

Originally Posted by dkates

On the second scenario, I agree with you. On the first, there are two possibilities. One is that it only does double damage. The other, which I tend to think would be the case, is that the damage would be doubled twice, for a grand total multiplier of 4. Ouch!

In the GB Game, attacks do quadruple damage when the Pokémon has two weakness against that type. The example given in the Nintendo R&S Guide is "Grass type attacks do quadruple damage against a Rock and Ground Type Pokémon".

There has been some precedent for TCG play following the basic principles of the GB games, e.g. the current retreat rules. The cards work a little differently (the attack type depends on the type of the attacking Pokémon, rather than being determined individually) but the meta rule is attacks by a Pokémon are attacks of the type of the attacking Pokémon.

Then attacks by a Kecleon with a Grass and Lightning Energy attached are Grass and Electric Type and would do quadruple damage to a Wailord-ex. Unless, of course, we hear otherwise from the new MTs. ;) And then we'll have to figure out a new weakness/resistance paradigm.

[P_A]

I realize Nintendo is making the rules changes to simulate the electronic game, but that doesn't follow that they will make it so in this case. Seems a little strange to do 4X the damage to an ex, but if that is how it will work, Kecleon will be a very popular card indeed.

[dkates]

Indeed. And since only ex Pokemon have two Weaknesses, that loophole may have been intentional, in order to further balance ex Pokemon against other Pokemon. BTW, what is Kecleon's attack?

[Mr. Grass]

I'm not entirely sure about the quadruple multiplyer. In the rulebook it states that if the defending pokemon has a weakness to the attacking pokemon then you double the damage. It has never mentioned anything about checking for multiple weaknesses.

[dkates]

Why should they have? Kecleon is the first, and so far only Pokemon that is capable of having more than one type at a time.

[EXRules]

Is there a new rulebook in the EX:SS theme decks? If so, look in those.

[NoPoke]

We don't need Kecleon to counter the Ex's. Sandstorm's Wobuffet will do that task nicely!

The double weakness question needs a ruling. Until told otherwise I'd stick with the existing way of applying weakness and resistance: double ONCE if weak, Take off 30 if resistant. The double weakness just makes it more likely that you will be weak rather than increasing that potential weakness to Quadrupled.

[P_A]

Agreed, until we get a ruling giving specifics, it's better to stick to the tried and true method of determining damage.

[Mr. Grass]

Yeah, that was my original thought since the rules say to double damage if weak to and not double damage for each weakness.