Which Gengar Deck is Best?

[FlareonMaster]

This is a thread to vary which deck is better of the 2? Mother Gengar is amazing when it comes to healing and trying to avoid Posion/Burn deaths and having your opponent skip out on Fainting Spell, but with Metal Gengar decks, you can easily OHKO Claydol's, Pixies and any Pokemon with a Poke Power which has 70-80 HP usually. Both are great, so in everyone's opinion, which of the two are better and if they equal out to be the same, are they good together? Do people think it is viable to also create Mother-Metal Genagr?

IMO, they are both great together or separately and the main reason I put this thread up is because I am considering a Mother-Metal Gengar deck which is why I want opinions. LOL

[Azure Kite]

Moving to Card Strategy forum.

[Stigma]

Metal Gengar is trash.
You die FAR too easily and fainting spell never gets activated.
Metagross can't attack like nidoqueen can.
Metagross is a huge retreat liability.
Metal Gengar gets OWNED by any sort of spread decks.
The -20 on your opponent doesnt even do anything to a smart player. They'll guard their powers the second they play them.
Mother Gengar has a VERY good offense/defense balance. Metal Gengar has NO defense whatsoever. That's really not a good play.

[r3skyline]

what happened to gechamp? no love for gechamp? lol

[Stigma]

GeChamp is okay if you do it right. Running claydol in it is just a bad idea.

[ryanvergel]

Originally Posted by Stigma

GeChamp is okay if you do it right. Running claydol in it is just a bad idea.

The people who made GeChamp, the Rolls from Florida, who arguably did the best with it (winning FL states in two age divisions) ran Claydol.

Claydol belongs in almost every competitive deck. The only decks that don't run it are AMU, Scizor/Cherrim, and a few SP decks.

[smacktack15]

In my GeChamp list I played a 2-3 Claydol with a Great Ball. It proved to do well as I went 8-2 at Regionals with it.

[ryanvergel]

WHAT IS WITH 2-3 CLAYDOL!?

I hate when I see this line of pokemon. You realize it only increases your odds of opening with a Claydol in hand by about 10%? You really gave up another deck spot to increase your odds of opening with it by 10%? If you feared them getting knocked out- then you're better off playing a TSD or Pokemon Rescue, as that card can at least get back other pokemon. Why not run an extra Luxury Ball?

I see no logic in running a 2-3 Claydol. 10% better odds of opening with a card that itself depends on other cards to be used just does no warrant the extra spot. I find this a great example of F.P.S., or "Fancy Play Syndrome". A player thinks that by doing things in some sparkly, weird, different way that they actually gain an advantage merely from that fact.

[flariados]

I think it would be smarter to run 3-3 claydol instead of 2-3 claydol, because then it's far easier to get out 2 claydol and you can use cosmic power TWICE!

[FlareonMaster]

What is up with Claydol talk? However, the best way for Claydol is either 2-2 or 3-3 and not 2-3 which I have to agree with isn't the best way to go. So far I have gotten the opinion that Metal Gengar isn't the best while Mother Gengar is. Also, this is about straight Gengar decks and not GeChamp, however that is also a decent deck. So is it safe to say that people believe Mother Gengar is better than Metal? Does anyone think that Mother-Metal Gengar will be a top deck soon?

[xcfrisco]

With SP being really popular still, I'd say GeChamp is the better Gengar deck (lol what are the other options?straight gengar, mother gengar and metal gengar?). Probably won't be the case when the Arceus rolls out though.

[Chompy]

The good thing about Mother Gengar is whenever your opponent had a low number of cards in their hand (Making the use of Gengar's Poltergeist less effective), and you needed to deal out a ton of damage. All you need to do is bring out Nidoqueen as your mid-late game attacker and start pummeling your opponent's Pokemon with your rutheless tail.

Metaghost is actually better than you think Stigma. While Metagross is in play, you can OHKO Uxies, Claydols, and even non fully evolved basics (50 HP) with Gengar's Shadow Room. You mentioned something about Metagross being brought out with high retreat. Well, thats why there are 2 warp points in a deck and if your smart enough to attach a Unown G to Metagross. Metagross wouldn't be brought out in the first place. A really cool trick is if you had Miamas Valley out in play and your opponent places a Basic down, that Pokemon (other than Grass/Psychic) would recieve 2 damage counters + Metagross's Pokebody, which leads them to having 10 HP left. Oh, the endless possiblilites of what you could do with that deck. Sure Gengar gets -20, but that's what Fainting Spell is for right?

Whatever happened to the Gengar/Starmie idea?

[FlareonMaster]

Originally Posted by Chompy

The good thing about Mother Gengar is whenever your opponent had a low number of cards in their hand (Making the use of Gengar's Poltergeist less effective), and you needed to deal out a ton of damage. All you need to do is bring out Nidoqueen as your mid-late game attacker and start pummeling your opponent's Pokemon with your rutheless tail.

Metaghost is actually better than you think Stigma. While Metagross is in play, you can OHKO Uxies, Claydols, and even non fully evolved basics (50 HP) with Gengar's Shadow Room. You mentioned something about Metagross being brought out with high retreat. Well, thats why there are 2 warp points in a deck and if your smart enough to attach a Unown G to Metagross. Metagross wouldn't be brought out in the first place. A really cool trick is if you had Miamas Valley out in play and your opponent places a Basic down, that Pokemon (other than Grass/Psychic) would recieve 2 damage counters + Metagross's Pokebody, which leads them to having 10 HP left. Oh, the endless possiblilites of what you could do with that deck. Sure Gengar gets -20, but that's what Fainting Spell is for right?

Whatever happened to the Gengar/Starmie idea?

I agree with everything you said and with the lv.X coming soon Gengar will still have 120 HP due to Metagross. What is the probability of Mother-Metal Gengar becoming popular though and what is this with Starmie? Never heard of it. LOL

[Mac_736_the_Gh0st]

2-3 Claydol is best way to play this line IMO. If I have 1 free space in my deck I everytime fill it by 3rd Claydol.
And like smacktack15 said, with 1 Great Ball it is better than 2-2 + Luxury or anything else ....
I for sure prefer 2-3 Claydol and 3-4 (4 is better) Call NRG.
To Gengar list : I play 1-0-1 Nidoqueen a 1-0-1 Dusknoir with 1 Relicanth and I am very satisfied with my testing results ...

[Stigma]

Originally Posted by ryanvergel

The people who made GeChamp, the Rolls from Florida, who arguably did the best with it (winning FL states in two age divisions) ran Claydol.

Claydol belongs in almost every competitive deck. The only decks that don't run it are AMU, Scizor/Cherrim, and a few SP decks.

And guess what, ryan
that was states
this is cities next year
HUGE difference.

Although I will agree, 2-3 claydol is just stupid.

[FlareonMaster]

I think 2-3 Claydol is stupid still as well due to the fact of, well, I will put it this way, I agree with what RyanVergel said about it and the 10% more chance and stuff. I have never thought it to be suited. Which version of Gengar is best in everyones opinion when it comes to the 3 choices and a possible 4th choice (excluding GeChamp as that is simply Gengar in a deck than his own deck) being...

Mother Gengar
Metal Gengar
Straight Gengar

Possible 4th spot....
Mother-Metal Gengar

[PokePockets]

Throwing both Metagross AND Nidoqueen with Gengar? That's a bit ugly

I think looking to the new set can give you Gengar ideas.

Play 2 of the new Gengar that has Poke-Power "Curse", and then play either Bronzong MD or Gallade 4, depending on your preference. Some people don't like the play SP and evo's together

[goliaththegreat]

Mother Gengar is the best way to go or just straight Gengar

[FlareonMaster]

Originally Posted by PokePockets

Throwing both Metagross AND Nidoqueen with Gengar? That's a bit ugly

I think looking to the new set can give you Gengar ideas.

Play 2 of the new Gengar that has Poke-Power "Curse", and then play either Bronzong MD or Gallade 4, depending on your preference. Some people don't like the play SP and evo's together

How is it ugly? Is it because that could be a top deck? I wouldn't use the new Gengar's myself, but everyone has their own opinion on that. I have known about the new Gengars since before the set was even shown on Pokebeach and don't think that they are any good.

[ryanvergel]

Originally Posted by Stigma

And guess what, ryan
that was states
this is cities next year
HUGE difference.

Although I will agree, 2-3 claydol is just stupid.

That doesn't change the fact that the deck hasn't changed at all since then?

GeChamp looks exactly the same it did in April as it does in August. Claydol included.

[toxicroak 96]

I have tested Mother Gengar and its just simply too luck-based for my tastes, GeChamp has done well for me and Claydol is the play because you won't even get set up without it.

[Stigma]

Originally Posted by ryanvergel

That doesn't change the fact that the deck hasn't changed at all since then?

GeChamp looks exactly the same it did in April as it does in August. Claydol included.

That doesn't make it good. A more adapted GeChamp will beat SP much more easily.

[prodigal_fanboy]

Originally Posted by ryanvergel

That doesn't change the fact that the deck hasn't changed at all since then?

GeChamp looks exactly the same it did in April as it does in August. Claydol included.

No love for Relicanth?

[toxicroak 96]

Relicanth does help the deck a ton.

[FlareonMaster]

Relicanth does help a lot but sometimes isn't needed. However he isn't only good in Gengar, but is good in other decks too like Machamp, Flygon and SP decks.