Dialga G Lv.X vs. Space Center vs. Mystery Stage 1

[TTPokemon]

Ok, say there was a Space Center Stadium in play.
Then Player 1 put down a Dialga G Lv.X.
Then Player 2 plays down a Mystery card that is a Stage 1.
It has a Poke-BODY that says "As long as Pokemon X is in play, ignore all effects of stadium cards in play ( both you and your opponents)."
Both Pokemon X and Dialga G Lv.X are on the bench with Space Center in play.
Player 2 attacks Player 1's Toxicroak G with Gengar's Shadow Room.
Does Toxicroak's Poke-BODY Aticipation block Gengar's Shadow Room or not ???

Space Center-Deoxes- Ignore Poke-Bodies for all Basic Pokemon (both you and your opponents) (excluding Pokemon-ex and Pokemon with an owner in its name).

Pokemon X-?- Poke-Body- "As long as Pokemon X is in play, ignore all effects of stadium cards in play (both you and your opponents)."

Dialga G Lv.X-Platinum- Poke-BODY- Each Pokemon (both you and your opponent's) (excluding Pokemon SP) can't use Poke-Bodies

[gallade]

there would be a paradox, and the building would explode. that why they never released a card like that.

[dave321]

I think that the ruling would end up being that Dialga G has an owner (the G in it's name) so Dialga G would be the prevailing effect here. In the same vein, other G or 4 or GL (etc.) pokemon would have this effect so it would be like a repeat of the same effect (that only Pokemon SP can use bodies).

[legotack]

Pokemon SP do not count as having owners in their names.

[dave321]

Originally Posted by legotack

Pokemon SP do not count as having owners in their names.

It would have to have some ruling for the game to continue so that is probably what would happen.

I think this is the closest thing to a resolution that can be reached because logically if "Dialga" is a wild Dialga it's very easy to debate that "Dialga G" is owned by the team it is affiliated with.

In any other circumstances I would agree but in a paradoxial situation such as this they'd probably default to that.

That or some kind of skewed "WHATEVER WAS OUT FIRST" thing where the first card out nullifies the second. One of the two.

[Sabett]

uh.... the pokemon that shuts down stadiums is a stage 1.....the stadium shuts down basic pokebodies....dialga g works.

[Ignatious]

Originally Posted by Sabett

uh.... the pokemon that shuts down stadiums is a stage 1.....the stadium shuts down basic pokebodies....dialga g works.

So Dialga G works. Dialga then shuts off Pokemon X's body to negate stadiums. Space Center then stops Dialga. Then Space Center can become active again and shut off Dialga. Then Pokemon X negates Space Center. So Dialga G works. Dialga then shuts off Pokemon X's body to negate stadiums. Space Center then stops Dialga. Then Space Center can become active again and shut off Dialga. Then Pokemon X negates Space Center. So Dialga G works. Dialga then shuts off Pokemon X's body to negate stadiums. Space Center then stops Dialga. Then Space Center can become active again and shut off Dialga. Then Pokemon X negates Space Center. So Dialga G works. Dialga then shuts off Pokemon X's body to negate stadiums. Space Center then stops Dialga. Then Space Center can become active again and shut off Dialga. Then Pokemon X negates Space Center. So Dialga G works. Dialga then shuts off Pokemon X's body to negate stadiums. Space Center then stops Dialga. Then Space Center can become active again and shut off Dialga. Then Pokemon X negates Space Center. So Dialga G works. Dialga then shuts off Pokemon X's body to negate stadiums. Space Center then stops Dialga. Then Space Center can become active again and shut off Dialga. Then Pokemon X negates Space Center. So Dialga G works.

[Phazon Elite]

But, but what if Dialga then shuts off Pokemon X's body to negate stadiums. Space Center then stops Dialga. Then Space Center can become active again and shut off Dialga. Then Pokemon X negates Space Center. So Dialga G works.

What then?

[elekid_957]

ohhhh snaappp! they would never do this... it would be a first pokemon in play thing i'm pretty sure though...

[waynegg]

Originally Posted by TTPokemon

Ok, say there was a Space Center Stadium in play.
Then Player 1 put down a Dialga G Lv.X.
Then Player 2 plays down a Mystery card that is a Stage 1.
It has a Poke-BODY that says "As long as Pokemon X is in play, ignore all effects of stadium cards in play ( both you and your opponents)."
Both Pokemon X and Dialga G Lv.X are on the bench with Space Center in play.
Player 2 attacks Player 1's Toxicroak G with Gengar's Shadow Room.
Does Toxicroak's Poke-BODY Aticipation block Gengar's Shadow Room or not ???

Space Center-Deoxes- Ignore Poke-Bodies for all Basic Pokemon (both you and your opponents) (excluding Pokemon-ex and Pokemon with an owner in its name).

Pokemon X-?- Poke-Body- "As long as Pokemon X is in play, ignore all effects of stadium cards in play (both you and your opponents)."

Dialga G Lv.X-Platinum- Poke-BODY- Each Pokemon (both you and your opponent's) (excluding Pokemon SP) can't use Poke-Bodies

Originally Posted by Sabett

uh.... the pokemon that shuts down stadiums is a stage 1.....the stadium shuts down basic pokebodies....dialga g works.

Wrong... It would go like this:

1. Stadiums trump Poke Bodies/Powers, so Dialga G Lv. X's Poke Body would be shut off.

2. The effect of Pokemon X's Poke Body resides within the player who played it as worded, so you should read it as saying "You the player of Pokemon X" ignore the effects of Stadium Cards, not the entire game state on both sides. The Basic Pokemon of the person who played the card would still get to use their Poke Bodies.

3. No Paradox.

Poke bodies aren't community property like Stadiums are for the most part. For Example, Cherrim SF says each of your grass or fire type Pokemon's attacks do 10 more damage to the defending Pokemon. Your opponent doesn't get to enjoy the benefits of the Poke Body if they happen to also be playing grass or fire type Pokemon. For the Poke Body to effect both players it would have to say something to the effect of As long as Pokemon X is in play, both you and your opponent ignore all effects of stadium cards (both yours and your opponents). The way you worded it just says to ignore Stadiums that either player has in play.

Originally Posted by legotack

Pokemon SP do not count as having owners in their names.

The "G" after Dialga in Dialga G does count as having an owner in the name. Otherwise it wouldn't be legal to play four Dialga G and four Dialga in a deck.

[TTPokemon]

Personaly I think that every thing gets shut off and you just move on.

[waynegg]

Originally Posted by TTPokemon

Personaly I think that every thing gets shut off and you just move on.

But you're wrong... Dialga G is shut down, the Stadium works against your opponent, your basic Pokemon get to use any Poke Body they have. By the way it is worded, and for the reasons outlined above, this is exactly what would happen.

[Ignatious]

Originally Posted by TTPokemon

Personaly I think that every thing gets shut off and you just move on.

How is that logical at all? Seems more like laziness to me.

[dave321]

Originally Posted by waynegg

But you're wrong... Dialga G is shut down, the Stadium works against your opponent, your basic Pokemon get to use any Poke Body they have. By the way it is worded, and for the reasons outlined above, this is exactly what would happen.

Originally Posted by waynegg

Wrong... It would go like this:
2. The effect of Pokemon X's Poke Body resides within the player who played it as worded, so you should read it as saying "You the player of Pokemon X" ignore the effects of Stadium Cards, not the entire game state on both sides. The Basic Pokemon of the person who played the card would still get to use their Poke Bodies.

The "G" after Dialga in Dialga G does count as having an owner in the name. Otherwise it wouldn't be legal to play four Dialga G and four Dialga in a deck.

If this is true then Dialga's effect wins out. It doesn't really matter whose stadium it is cause it doesn't effect the Stage 1 Pokemon no matter what side of the field it's on, and whether or not it had a poke-body that prevented stadiums - the only important factor here I think is that it HAS a poke-body. Really the pokemon in the analogy can be any stage 1 with a pokebody. If Dialga does not have an owner in it's name, then Stage 1 pokemon can use it's body freely. It's a debateable topic but. I think Dialga G does. (though if the OP meant for the stadium cards not to affect either player in their wording, if Dialga G is ruled to have an owner in it's name, then it still wins out, and if not then it is a paradox.)



And even though I am arguing for Dialga G... admittedly not every pokemon with something in it's name is necissarily owned by somebody. For example "Dark Charmeleon" or something doesn't really have an owner ad yet you can have 4 Charmeleon and 4 Dark Charmeleon in a deck. Same with Burmies. It's kind of a foggy area with SP pokemon because an owned pokemon should have "[character]'s" somewhere in the name but while SP pokemon don't have it in their name, they have it in the little info bar. >_>

[waynegg]

Originally Posted by dave321

If this is true then Dialga's effect wins out.

You're absolutely right. I forgot about the last text on Space Center (excluding Pokemon-ex and Pokemon that has an owner in its name) and didn't actually reference the card until just now. There is no debate. Pokemon-G, Pokemon-GL, Pokemon-C, etc. are Pokemon with a name modifier which is the same as having an owner in the name. The fact that it doesn't say "Cyrus's Dialga is irrelevant, the intent is the same and therefor it would be, and is, handled the same.