One Big Glitch

[Deoxys Cool Form]

Pokemon: 17

4-2-3-1 Porygon - Z Lv.X
2-2 Claydol
1 Uxie
2 Unown G

Energy: 8

4 Call Energy
4 DCE
2 Psychic Energy

Trainers/Supporters/TS's/Tools/Stadiums: 33

4 Bebe's Search
4 Pokemon Collector
2 Copy Cat
4 TS1
4 TS2
2 Night Maintenance
2 Warp Point
1 Luxury Ball
2 Pokemon Communiactor
4 BTS
4 Rare Candy

Get a Porygon -Z set up fast with DCE and hit hard with TS's.

Suggestions? My list seems bland, and I have a feeling I'm missing something.

[Kamaki]

Believe it or not, spiritomb works really well in this deck.

+3 Spiritomb
+1 Premier ball
+1 Palmers
+4 Super Scoop Up
+1 Azelf
+1 Fighting Energy

-2 Copy Cat
-2 BTS
-2 Pokemon Communicator
-1 Night Maintenance
-1 Rare Candy
-1 Porygon
-1 Psychic Energy

Thats similar to how I've been running it, and it works great. You might want to think about a couple uppers in case you're behind late game.

[ninetales1234]

If you're going to max out on candy, why not throw in a 1-0-1 Dusknoir [DP] or an Alakazam?

-1 Pokemon Collector (certainly good for getting out the Uxie and what not, but I can't imagine you'd use all four)
+1 Expert Belt

[swift1984]

How r u recycling ur TMs once they are discarded? U certainly need 1-2 Marley's Request in here...

[afstandopleren]

1 or 2 Expert Belts would not hurt in here. Also drop 1 Pokemon Collector, 2 Pokemon Communication and 1 or 2 BTS or Candies for either more Basic Energy and/or Roseanne's to ensure you don't experience Energy Draught when you are drawing dead during Spiritomb locks.

[Kamaki]

Originally Posted by afstandopleren

1 or 2 Expert Belts would not hurt in here. Also drop 1 Pokemon Collector, 2 Pokemon Communication and 1 or 2 BTS or Candies for either more Basic Energy and/or Roseanne's to ensure you don't experience Energy Draught when you are drawing dead during Spiritomb locks.

The deck doesn't dead draw during spiritomb locks, with porygon 2's download, the deck runs unbelievably fast, turn two or three at the slowest, even with a spiritomb active.

[TheLegendKiller]

"Little Bro", add +1 Cynthia Feelings, - 1 Night Maintainance. I agree with adding Spiritomb, let me try it first. Then I will post my list.

[Deoxys Cool Form]

Originally Posted by Kamaki

Believe it or not, spiritomb works really well in this deck.

+3 Spiritomb
+1 Premier ball
+1 Palmers
+4 Super Scoop Up
+1 Azelf
+1 Fighting Energy

-2 Copy Cat
-2 BTS
-2 Pokemon Communicator
-1 Night Maintenance
-1 Rare Candy
-1 Porygon
-1 Psychic Energy

Thats similar to how I've been running it, and it works great. You might want to think about a couple uppers in case you're behind late game.

Spiritomb, never thought of that. . .I should have though. Thanks for the idea. I see that you like Porygon - Z Lv.X. I myself like it, but I wouldn't play stuff like Azelf or Premier Ball. If it's prized, it's prized. I'd probably take out BTS all together if I played Spiritomb. But I'd like to keep 4 Rare Candy. SSU is also very nice with Porygon - Z's Pokepower. Thank you for the great ideas.

Originally Posted by ninetales1234

If you're going to max out on candy, why not throw in a 1-0-1 Dusknoir [DP] or an Alakazam?

-1 Pokemon Collector (certainly good for getting out the Uxie and what not, but I can't imagine you'd use all four)
+1 Expert Belt

Expert Belt is what I'm missing. I new it was something. Hmmmmm no to sure about a Stage 2 tech. As much as I love them, one of the reasons I don't like the idea of it is that my deck is very consistant right now. I will try out though, for sure. Also, 4 Pokemon Collector is really nice. I know it may seem over kill but my list is just so fast. I really want to keep that, but at the same time fit in all the stuff I need. Thanks for the help.

Originally Posted by swift1984

How r u recycling ur TMs once they are discarded? U certainly need 1-2 Marley's Request in here...

Don't like Marleys myself. I won't be losing the TM's and if I'm about to get KO'd I'll just switch them to another Porygon. Also with SSU if I can fit it in, then I'll be fine. Thanks though.

Originally Posted by afstandopleren

1 or 2 Expert Belts would not hurt in here. Also drop 1 Pokemon Collector, 2 Pokemon Communication and 1 or 2 BTS or Candies for either more Basic Energy and/or Roseanne's to ensure you don't experience Energy Draught when you are drawing dead during Spiritomb locks.

Yeah, I want to fit in 2 Expert Belt. I guess Pokemon Communication will be bad with Spiritomb so that frees up some room. I'm beggining to see a good list in my head at the moment. I also think I'll play more basic energy. Thanks.

Originally Posted by TheLegendKiller

"Little Bro", add +1 Cynthia Feelings, - 1 Night Maintainance. I agree with adding Spiritomb, let me try it first. Then I will post my list.

"Big Bro", I like the idea of Cynthia's. One quick thing, do you think I should play both Copy Cat and Cynthia's? Or would you just play one or the other? Is Pont or Cynthia's better in this deck? Do you think 1 Night Maintenance is enough? I'm guessing so with SSU in my new list. Yeah Spiritomb is boss. Cool.

So after allll the help, the "New List". . .


Pokemon: 21

4-2-3-1 Porygon - Z Lv.X
2-2 Claydol
1 Uxie
2 Unown G
4 Spiritomb

Energy: 10

4 Call Energy
4 DCE
2 Psychic Energy

Trainers/Supporters/TS's/Tools/Stadiums: 29

4 Bebe's Search
4 Pokemon Collector
4 TS1
4 TS2
1 Night Maintenance
2 Warp Point
1 Luxury Ball
4 Rare Candy
4 SSU
1 Cynthia's

Better? Worse? Opinions? I dunno about SSU because I don't play BTS. Looks better. Still need to fit in more Basic Energy though.

[neumann44]

i would say 1-2 BTSs when you use ssu. if you take your porygon-z up you can just play it right away again

[Deoxys Cool Form]

Yeah, any idea on what to take out?

[neumann44]

what is TS?
and you can take a porygon out you only have 3 porygon-z so why 4 porygons?

[Kamaki]

The super scoop up combo is great with BTS, I recommend at least 2 BTS. I also think you are fine with only 2 basic energy.

Here's the deal with porygon-z Lv.x, when it comes into play, you can discard all special energy your opponent has in play. Goodbye dialga g with 4 specials. It's a game winning ability in certain match ups. Also, Mode Crush gets you the two basic energies if you really need them. It's a brilliant combo with claydol. Mode Crush into cosmic power = the exact cards you want every time. It's to good to try and play without.

[jk8971]

For Basic energy I'm not sure why you went with psy.

I'd try either 2 darks or 1 dark / 1 fighting. Reason being, if you have spiritomb active and your opponent chatter locks you.. you'r stuck until they decide to stop. With a dark you can attack with tomb (yes it's only 10) but its better than being locked there. Fighting is meh, I doubt you'll ever need to attack with claydol, but it could be in there as an option.

Also I don't think you need 4 Collectors, and I agree that Expert belt could be a nice touch along with a bts or 2 (Most of your opponents probably run them aswell so it'll be in play half the time anyways).

The Lv. X is also very important with the current format, so Azelf / premier helps.. but I'm not too sure how to fit them in nicely. I'll work with the list and get back to you with what I find.

Good list, it's a lot of fun to play. Cheers!

[Deoxys Cool Form]

Originally Posted by neumann44

what is TS?
and you can take a porygon out you only have 3 porygon-z so why 4 porygons?

The Trainer is, you know the one that gived Porygon the extra damage.

Why do people play 4 Gastly and 3 Gengar?

Why do people play 4 Trapinch and 3 Flygon?

Why do people play 4 Ralts and 3 Gardevoir?

Why do people play 4 Magnemite and 3 Magnezone?

For consistency.

Originally Posted by Kamaki

The super scoop up combo is great with BTS, I recommend at least 2 BTS. I also think you are fine with only 2 basic energy.

Here's the deal with porygon-z Lv.x, when it comes into play, you can discard all special energy your opponent has in play. Goodbye dialga g with 4 specials. It's a game winning ability in certain match ups. Also, Mode Crush gets you the two basic energies if you really need them. It's a brilliant combo with claydol. Mode Crush into cosmic power = the exact cards you want every time. It's to good to try and play without.

Yeah, I think I'll play 2-3 BTS. Also, yeah same. Although it's nice, BTS comes first.

I love Porygon for doing that, but what if they Power Spray? It is a great card though, I understand that.

Originally Posted by jk8971

For Basic energy I'm not sure why you went with psy.

I'd try either 2 darks or 1 dark / 1 fighting. Reason being, if you have spiritomb active and your opponent chatter locks you.. you'r stuck until they decide to stop. With a dark you can attack with tomb (yes it's only 10) but its better than being locked there. Fighting is meh, I doubt you'll ever need to attack with claydol, but it could be in there as an option.

Also I don't think you need 4 Collectors, and I agree that Expert belt could be a nice touch along with a bts or 2 (Most of your opponents probably run them aswell so it'll be in play half the time anyways).

The Lv. X is also very important with the current format, so Azelf / premier helps.. but I'm not too sure how to fit them in nicely. I'll work with the list and get back to you with what I find.

Good list, it's a lot of fun to play. Cheers!

Unown G donk FTW. Nah, I I forgot I had Spiritomb in there. It could be nice against Gengar actually. I can Unown G my Spiritomb so it doesn't get Chatter locked, but I get what you mean. I think I'd much rather play 1 Dark and 1 Psychic.

Yeah.

Ok thanks.

And thanks again