DialgaChomp; Will it continue to win in the new format?

jeffrey123 · 07/09/2010, 12:02 PM

Now that DialgaChomp loses Claydol, along with Unown G , how badly do you think DialgaChomp will be hurt? No more deck cycling for Special metals either. What are your opinions on how well this deck will do next format?

*Dennis Hawk* · 07/09/2010, 12:20 PM

The deck will do well.

1. Every other deck loses Claydol too. DialgaChomp is so lucky to get what it needs with supporters (Interviewer's question).
2. Huge bodies are arriving. Vileplume, Gengar Prime and Mew Prime are prime examples of the things that will be ultimately suffering in front of Dialga G Lv.X (although Gengar may have an out with Gengar Lv.X).
3. The deck should be able to fit in Skuntank + Toxicroak G against Machamp. The psychic energy is already played there, so charging Toxi won't be a problem. Stadiums go well with Deafen and might give outs to some matchups (Galactic's HQ against evolution decks, Conductive Quarry provides an energy supply).

I'll be sure to play it next season, as it doesn't really carry any fatal autolosses.

DIZZtheWHIZZ · 07/09/2010, 12:26 PM

The only thing the deck loses is 1-1 Claydol, so yes, the deck will still be, if not more of a threat next season.

*Banette EX* · 07/09/2010, 01:12 PM

ITs still going to be played like the other SPs will, they will just add 2-1 Toxitank to counter Machamp.

MattPL · 07/09/2010, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Hawk

The deck will do well.

1. Every other deck loses Claydol too. DialgaChomp is so lucky to get what it needs with supporters (Interviewer's question).
2. Huge bodies are arriving. Vileplume, Gengar Prime and Mew Prime are prime examples of the things that will be ultimately suffering in front of Dialga G Lv.X (although Gengar may have an out with Gengar Lv.X).
3. The deck should be able to fit in Skuntank + Toxicroak G against Machamp. The psychic energy is already played there, so charging Toxi won't be a problem. Stadiums go well with Deafen and might give outs to some matchups (Galactic's HQ against evolution decks, Conductive Quarry provides an energy supply).

I'll be sure to play it next season, as it doesn't really carry any fatal autolosses.

Mew Prime? I didn't think any one was actually going to use that card.

Regardless, I think SP's in general are going to do well next season, including DialgaChomp.

Barkjon · 07/09/2010, 03:22 PM

Yep, SP's will still be around next season. They will still dominate, sadly.

MattPL · 07/09/2010, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkjon

Yep, SP's will still be around next season. They will still dominate, sadly.

Unless Machamp actually does well, but I'm still skepticle about that one

*FunnyBear* · 07/09/2010, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis Hawk

The deck will do well.

1. Every other deck loses Claydol too. DialgaChomp is so lucky to get what it needs with supporters (Interviewer's question).
2. Huge bodies are arriving. Vileplume, Gengar Prime and Mew Prime are prime examples of the things that will be ultimately suffering in front of Dialga G Lv.X (although Gengar may have an out with Gengar Lv.X).
3. The deck should be able to fit in Skuntank + Toxicroak G against Machamp. The psychic energy is already played there, so charging Toxi won't be a problem. Stadiums go well with Deafen and might give outs to some matchups (Galactic's HQ against evolution decks, Conductive Quarry provides an energy supply).

I'll be sure to play it next season, as it doesn't really carry any fatal autolosses.

And it will fit in Palkia/Dialga Legend nicely, moving metal energy onto the card with Bronzong so it can do the attack twice in 2 turns before getting KOd, adding +4 to the opponent's prizes while giving up 2.

mewbreon · 07/09/2010, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattPL

Mew Prime? I didn't think any one was actually going to use that card.

apparently somebodys not hip with the mew prime/ gengar prime / hunter/ spiritomb (lost link) deck that the eastern players are all in a buzz about

(eastern as in asia.... not eastern america)

---------- Post added 07/09/2010 at 09:23 PM ----------

oops i just spilled the beanzzzz

Happiny13 · 07/09/2010, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mewbreon

apparently somebodys not hip with the mew prime/ gengar prime / hunter/ spiritomb (lost link) deck that the eastern players are all in a buzz about

(eastern as in asia.... not eastern america)

---------- Post added 07/09/2010 at 09:23 PM ----------

oops i just spilled the beanzzzz

I wasn't aware that people were already using this combo. On topic, I think Dialga is better without claydol to get T1 Deafen more often. I think it is the play for BR's at least.

Mewtral · 07/09/2010, 09:26 PM

Throwing out some counter cards for the mix:
Scizor Prime,
The Lunarsoul tech (Lunatone SV Solrock CS),
Rapidash AR with Wild Guard and Ponyta with acension,
and, cards that would snipe Dialga G lvX,

*renfield89* · 07/09/2010, 09:36 PM

^I can't exactly tell what you are trying to say there.. You know those are all PokeBodies, right?

Mewtral · 07/09/2010, 09:53 PM

I'm just listing some cards that may be on some peoples minds. also throwing in the upcoming Umbreon (unduanted I believe).
And yes, I do know that, but If someone really wants it to work, they will thow some cards in to get Dialga G off their back. For example, Gengar LvX might be used with the Lunasoul tech. Flygon LvX might be teamed up with Flygon LvX to do serious LvX snipe.

MattPL · 07/09/2010, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mewbreon

apparently somebodys not hip with the mew prime/ gengar prime / hunter/ spiritomb (lost link) deck that the eastern players are all in a buzz about

(eastern as in asia.... not eastern america)

---------- Post added 07/09/2010 at 09:23 PM ----------

oops i just spilled the beanzzzz

Meh, I thought it was all us americans just hyping the new set

uuuufff · 07/10/2010, 02:31 AM

That new energy exchange unit trainer looks like a great way to get special metals, so I think with that the deck can survive without claydol.

*AyameHikaru* · 07/10/2010, 07:52 AM

Umbreon UD is an interesting tech against DialgaChomp. Does it run ANYTHING other than the base Dialga G that doesn't have a Pokepower or Pokebody? Because Umbreon shuts it down completely if no.

(For those who don't know)

Umbreon - Darkness - HP 90
Stage 1 - Evolves from Eevee

[D] Moonlight Fang: 30 damage. Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage, done to this Pokemon by your opponent’s Pokemon with any Poke-Powers or Poke-Bodies during your opponent’s next turn.
[D][C] Quick Attack: 30 damage. Flip a coin, if heads this attack does an additional 30 damage.

Weakness: Fighting (x2)
Resistance: Psychic (-20)
Retreat: 1

tarheel_bivens · 07/10/2010, 08:17 AM

It wont be hard to just kill umbreon with a dialga G or even garchomp c

travis3290 · 07/10/2010, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyameHikaru

Umbreon UD is an interesting tech against DialgaChomp. Does it run ANYTHING other than the base Dialga G that doesn't have a Pokepower or Pokebody? Because Umbreon shuts it down completely if no.

(For those who don't know)

Umbreon - Darkness - HP 90
Stage 1 - Evolves from Eevee

[D] Moonlight Fang: 30 damage. Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage, done to this Pokemon by your opponent’s Pokemon with any Poke-Powers or Poke-Bodies during your opponent’s next turn.
[D][C] Quick Attack: 30 damage. Flip a coin, if heads this attack does an additional 30 damage.

Weakness: Fighting (x2)
Resistance: Psychic (-20)
Retreat: 1

promocroak has its way with umbreon though

Happiny13 · 07/10/2010, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyameHikaru

Umbreon UD is an interesting tech against DialgaChomp. Does it run ANYTHING other than the base Dialga G that doesn't have a Pokepower or Pokebody? Because Umbreon shuts it down completely if no.

(For those who don't know)

Umbreon - Darkness - HP 90
Stage 1 - Evolves from Eevee

[D] Moonlight Fang: 30 damage. Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage, done to this Pokemon by your opponent’s Pokemon with any Poke-Powers or Poke-Bodies during your opponent’s next turn.
[D][C] Quick Attack: 30 damage. Flip a coin, if heads this attack does an additional 30 damage.

Weakness: Fighting (x2)
Resistance: Psychic (-20)
Retreat: 1

The base Dialga is enough. You can deafen with an Expert belt while using skuntank to knock it out and preventing the opponent from using trainers.

Barkjon · 07/10/2010, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattPL

Unless Machamp actually does well, but I'm still skepticle about that one

Exactly. I don't see why it doesn't do well. The strategy is good, the card is great.

JBowroxmysox · 07/10/2010, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyameHikaru

Umbreon UD is an interesting tech against DialgaChomp. Does it run ANYTHING other than the base Dialga G that doesn't have a Pokepower or Pokebody? Because Umbreon shuts it down completely if no.

(For those who don't know)

Umbreon - Darkness - HP 90
Stage 1 - Evolves from Eevee

[D] Moonlight Fang: 30 damage. Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage, done to this Pokemon by your opponent’s Pokemon with any Poke-Powers or Poke-Bodies during your opponent’s next turn.
[D][C] Quick Attack: 30 damage. Flip a coin, if heads this attack does an additional 30 damage.

Weakness: Fighting (x2)
Resistance: Psychic (-20)
Retreat: 1

Ummm...Moonlight Fang does wayyyy too little damage, and Deafen+Flash Bite+Second Strike 2HKOs while shutting off Trainers for a turn. Cute thought, but ultimately not worth the time or space. If Moonlight Fang was 1 for 50/60 or something, then I'd say yes.

To answer the OP, besides Claydol and Unown (G), DialgaChomp loses nothing to the rotation and it gains Energy Exchange Unit, which is rather sexy for grabbing those SP Metals and DCEs early (and it makes sure that you don't draw your Basic Energies too fast; you can just shuffle them in and Cyrus for them later).

TheGeneral · 07/10/2010, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travis3290

promocroak has its way with umbreon though

Except that, you know...promocroak has a power...

travis3290 · 07/10/2010, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGeneral

Except that, you know...promocroak has a power...

wow my bad

Mewtral · 07/10/2010, 12:37 PM

There is also Umbreon MD that would drop weakness and retreat costs.
and personally, I feel that eeveelution decks might make a comeback.

*amphachu* · 07/10/2010, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mewtral

There is also Umbreon MD that would drop weakness and retreat costs.
and personally, I feel that eeveelution decks might make a comeback.

No...just no...

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07/09/2010, 12:02 PM	#1
jeffrey123	DialgaChomp; Will it continue to win in the new format? Now that DialgaChomp loses Claydol, along with Unown G , how badly do you think DialgaChomp will be hurt? No more deck cycling for Special metals either. What are your opinions on how well this deck will do next format? __________________ 2011 Grinder Survivor Top 32 US Nationals 2012 Whoops. I lost my Whooper. Can I ahve urz?

07/09/2010, 12:20 PM	#2
Dennis Hawk	The deck will do well. 1. Every other deck loses Claydol too. DialgaChomp is so lucky to get what it needs with supporters (Interviewer's question). 2. Huge bodies are arriving. Vileplume, Gengar Prime and Mew Prime are prime examples of the things that will be ultimately suffering in front of Dialga G Lv.X (although Gengar may have an out with Gengar Lv.X). 3. The deck should be able to fit in Skuntank + Toxicroak G against Machamp. The psychic energy is already played there, so charging Toxi won't be a problem. Stadiums go well with Deafen and might give outs to some matchups (Galactic's HQ against evolution decks, Conductive Quarry provides an energy supply). I'll be sure to play it next season, as it doesn't really carry any fatal autolosses. __________________ 1 Cities win, 2 States wins, 6th and 5th at Nationals and 12th at Worlds with Gigas. Looking for a new deck.

07/09/2010, 12:26 PM	#3
DIZZtheWHIZZ	The only thing the deck loses is 1-1 Claydol, so yes, the deck will still be, if not more of a threat next season. __________________ BCIF Trade With Me!

07/09/2010, 01:12 PM	#4
Banette EX	ITs still going to be played like the other SPs will, they will just add 2-1 Toxitank to counter Machamp. __________________ Championship Series. Playoff Time, no Layoff Time!!!!

07/09/2010, 09:26 PM	#11
Mewtral	Throwing out some counter cards for the mix: Scizor Prime, The Lunarsoul tech (Lunatone SV Solrock CS), Rapidash AR with Wild Guard and Ponyta with acension, and, cards that would snipe Dialga G lvX, __________________ Getting into a single deck. Last edited by Mewtral; 07/09/2010 at 09:44 PM.

07/09/2010, 09:36 PM	#12
renfield89	^I can't exactly tell what you are trying to say there.. You know those are all PokeBodies, right? __________________ Team Sugarbush A 1-1-1 or 1-0-1 line is a tech. A 1-1-1-1 or 1-0-1-1 line, however, is a JOKE. Check Out My Trade Thread

07/09/2010, 09:53 PM	#13
Mewtral	I'm just listing some cards that may be on some peoples minds. also throwing in the upcoming Umbreon (unduanted I believe). And yes, I do know that, but If someone really wants it to work, they will thow some cards in to get Dialga G off their back. For example, Gengar LvX might be used with the Lunasoul tech. Flygon LvX might be teamed up with Flygon LvX to do serious LvX snipe. __________________ Getting into a single deck.

07/10/2010, 02:31 AM	#15
uuuufff	That new energy exchange unit trainer looks like a great way to get special metals, so I think with that the deck can survive without claydol.

07/10/2010, 07:52 AM	#16
AyameHikaru	Umbreon UD is an interesting tech against DialgaChomp. Does it run ANYTHING other than the base Dialga G that doesn't have a Pokepower or Pokebody? Because Umbreon shuts it down completely if no. (For those who don't know) Umbreon - Darkness - HP 90 Stage 1 - Evolves from Eevee [D] Moonlight Fang: 30 damage. Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage, done to this Pokemon by your opponent’s Pokemon with any Poke-Powers or Poke-Bodies during your opponent’s next turn. [D][C] Quick Attack: 30 damage. Flip a coin, if heads this attack does an additional 30 damage. Weakness: Fighting (x2) Resistance: Psychic (-20) Retreat: 1 __________________ When Life gives you lemons, make grape juice and let Life wonder how you did it. Currently running: Are you sure you have enough dice? 38-22

07/10/2010, 08:17 AM	#17
tarheel_bivens	It wont be hard to just kill umbreon with a dialga G or even garchomp c

07/10/2010, 12:37 PM	#24
Mewtral	There is also Umbreon MD that would drop weakness and retreat costs. and personally, I feel that eeveelution decks might make a comeback. __________________ Getting into a single deck.