Regigigas made T16...

Sabett · 08/15/2010, 09:01 PM

http://www.pokemonworldchampionships...n-tcg-strategy

That's amazing! I never thought of abomnasnow being an ERL counter before. Really interesting as it doubles as a donphan coutner as well. TBH, I can't believe it really made it that far, but I am ecstatic about it. Does anybody have the list for this?

*prodigal_fanboy* · 08/15/2010, 09:31 PM

Write your own list. Gigas lists are very much about playstyle preference, and I recall from discussing lists with you back when I started during 08-09 Cities, you have your own playstyle that works for you and not others.

3 Drag Off
1 Gigas X
1 Snover
1 Abomasnow

4 DCE
4 Water
3 Fighting
3 Steel

gogogogo.

Sabett · 08/15/2010, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by prodigal_fanboy

Write your own list. Gigas lists are very much about playstyle preference, and I recall from discussing lists with you back when I started during 08-09 Cities, you have your own playstyle that works for you and not others.

3 Drag Off
1 Gigas X
1 Snover
1 Abomasnow

4 DCE
4 Water
3 Fighting
3 Steel

gogogogo.

Did I say I wanted to net deck? Making my own list wouldn't help me at all with understanding how this persons list works. If a person asks for a decklist, how does it help that person at all to tell them to make their own list? What does that tell them at all about the list they asked about? Great it runs all those cards you listed, should I put sleeves on them too? I didn't ask for you to tell me to make my own list, I asked if anyone had the list. Are you telling me you've never looked at another list in order to improve upon your own?

Also, the "different" playstyle you talk about me having all the way back in 08-09, was me running energy searches, every regigigas list was basically the same back then, and none of them are anything like they were back then. You might as well be talking about a different archetype.

kamz · 08/15/2010, 09:56 PM

go finland for being so awesome

Sabett · 08/15/2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kamz

go finland for being so awesome

6th at nats too wish I heard about this sooner.

piñata · 08/15/2010, 10:05 PM

Colorado had it first.

jeffrey123 · 08/15/2010, 10:24 PM

I played this at battle roads without abomnasnow. It works well but the cursegar match is extremely difficult. I played this:

3-1 gigas
3 mesprit
2-1 uxie
2 azelf (1 downer)
2-2/1-1 Abomnasnow

4 DCE
4 water
3 steel
3 fighting

3 felicites.

Scipio · 08/16/2010, 05:57 AM

I played Gigas at Nats, though admittedly that was without ERL in format. Personally I'd run Manectric in the deck instead of Obamasnow, I feel Manectric has more utility even if you cannot abuse his amazing Power Wave.

Sabett · 08/16/2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Scipio

I played Gigas at Nats, though admittedly that was without ERL in format. Personally I'd run Manectric in the deck instead of Obamasnow, I feel Manectric has more utility even if you cannot abuse his amazing Power Wave.

But Abomnasnow doubles as a bench shield tech and a donphan tech, not to mention his first attack can help out with drag off. Instead of running both a bench shield and a donphan tech he has them rolled up into one.

Iinin_Hero · 08/16/2010, 11:27 AM

Finland is awesome!

*Dennis Hawk* · 08/16/2010, 12:43 PM

Spoilers: I played 2-2 Gigas for Cursegar matchup...

Will be posting the list when I get home and get my report written.

DonphanAtoZ · 08/16/2010, 12:45 PM

Curious Alex2k, why only 3 Mesprit? Isn't 4 typical?

Sabett · 08/16/2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis Hawk

Spoilers: I played 2-2 Gigas for Cursegar matchup...

Will be posting the list when I get home and get my report written.

I'm confused, are you Tomi Sjoblom?

Iinin_Hero · 08/16/2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabett

I'm confused, are you Tomi Sjoblom?

Yes, its him. 17 characters go.

Sabett · 08/16/2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Iinin_Hero

Yes, its him. 17 characters go.

Oh, his username appears like it's his real name lol.

*renfield89* · 08/16/2010, 01:12 PM

All of the above have failed to recognize Abomasnow as a Mewtwo counter as well. 60+paralyze, 60 KO.
Similar list was highly played at US Nats. Cheers.

Scipio · 08/16/2010, 02:58 PM

I played Dialga in my version. The thing is that I never got to play in the DP-UL meta, and as such I didnt get any testing in.
Didn't Obama's body only work when active though? How does it work against a surpriseERL then?

Sabett · 08/16/2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Scipio

I played Dialga in my version. The thing is that I never got to play in the DP-UL meta, and as such I didnt get any testing in.
Didn't Obama's body only work when active though? How does it work against a surpriseERL then?

Dialga might be a whole lot more viable with warp energy, in the way Komatsuda used it. Also, thats a good question brought up about ERL. I haven't tested it, but maybe it doesn't play out perfectly with bronzong that often.

DonphanAtoZ · 08/16/2010, 03:49 PM

Wait...How do you galactic switch while power locked?
Basically it will take them TWO turns to set up ERL. There ya go.

*Shino Bug Master* · 08/16/2010, 03:51 PM

I'd imagine once you know your opponen plays ERl, it's as simple as using Drag Off with a Belt to bring up and 2HKO Bronzong G, or drop a Mesprit when you most fear ERL. Also consider that LuxChomp doesn't have anythign that can OHKO Absomasnow, so it can cause significant damagea s an attacker anyway. Also keep in mind how difficult it will be for the opponent to keep ERL and Zong safe with Regigas hitting the deck adn hand for discards while being able to Drag Off and Gigaton Blaster. I think it works great for Gigas because it needs outs for ERl/Machamp/Donphan and Mewtwo, and snow can cover 3 extremely effectively and Machamp is really a downhill match-up with or without a counter xD Spray is also something that Blaster can easily make short work of. And to my knowledge, Gigas is busting out a lot of powers that sprays are viable for with Let Loose, Sacrifice, Set-up and Psychic Bind.

Sabett · 08/16/2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DonphanAtoZ

Wait...How do you galactic switch while power locked?
Basically it will take them TWO turns to set up ERL. There ya go.

Power spray. Late game you shouldn't even have to worry about another mesprit.

DonphanAtoZ · 08/16/2010, 04:02 PM

I'm just saying that was probably his idea.

jeffrey123 · 08/16/2010, 04:03 PM

Donphan-3 mesprit was a perfect amount. 4 was just too much. Gigas is legit, and hopefully I can make a boss list for roads

Scipio · 08/16/2010, 04:04 PM

Gigas runs Cyrus' Initiative due to Power Spray so...that might help?

jeffrey123 · 08/16/2010, 04:27 PM

Gigas runs judge as well. Power Spray is a non-issue.

For the new format, i'm wondering how Gigas will deal with Machamp. Abomasnow is a decent counter, but can't really keep up with it. Drifblim UD is a thought, but it forces you to run psychic.

Any ideas?

08/16/2010, 05:57 AM	#8
Scipio Images: 42	I played Gigas at Nats, though admittedly that was without ERL in format. Personally I'd run Manectric in the deck instead of Obamasnow, I feel Manectric has more utility even if you cannot abuse his amazing Power Wave. __________________ At the Dutch Nationals, a deck was stolen from me. It contained 3 Yanmega primes. 3 weeks later, Yanmega takes USA and Canada nationals by storm. I never felt this cheated before.

08/16/2010, 02:58 PM	#17
Scipio Images: 42	I played Dialga in my version. The thing is that I never got to play in the DP-UL meta, and as such I didnt get any testing in. Didn't Obama's body only work when active though? How does it work against a surpriseERL then? __________________ At the Dutch Nationals, a deck was stolen from me. It contained 3 Yanmega primes. 3 weeks later, Yanmega takes USA and Canada nationals by storm. I never felt this cheated before.

08/16/2010, 03:51 PM	#20
Shino Bug Master Front Page News Editor	I'd imagine once you know your opponen plays ERl, it's as simple as using Drag Off with a Belt to bring up and 2HKO Bronzong G, or drop a Mesprit when you most fear ERL. Also consider that LuxChomp doesn't have anythign that can OHKO Absomasnow, so it can cause significant damagea s an attacker anyway. Also keep in mind how difficult it will be for the opponent to keep ERL and Zong safe with Regigas hitting the deck adn hand for discards while being able to Drag Off and Gigaton Blaster. I think it works great for Gigas because it needs outs for ERl/Machamp/Donphan and Mewtwo, and snow can cover 3 extremely effectively and Machamp is really a downhill match-up with or without a counter xD Spray is also something that Blaster can easily make short work of. And to my knowledge, Gigas is busting out a lot of powers that sprays are viable for with Let Loose, Sacrifice, Set-up and Psychic Bind. __________________ Top 8 at States, 3rd Regionals with Kicks from Brixton =D 2009 2nd Regionals with DandyLions :D 2010 Rec: 46-16 w/Vilegar (4 Cities TC, 2 Wins, 10th States, 4th Regs) =] 2011 Top 8 with Gothitelle, Autumn Regionals :] 2011-2012 season 146/400 CP So far!

08/16/2010, 04:04 PM	#24
Scipio Images: 42	Gigas runs Cyrus' Initiative due to Power Spray so...that might help? __________________ At the Dutch Nationals, a deck was stolen from me. It contained 3 Yanmega primes. 3 weeks later, Yanmega takes USA and Canada nationals by storm. I never felt this cheated before.

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08/15/2010, 09:01 PM	#1
Sabett	Regigigas made T16... http://www.pokemonworldchampionships...n-tcg-strategy That's amazing! I never thought of abomnasnow being an ERL counter before. Really interesting as it doubles as a donphan coutner as well. TBH, I can't believe it really made it that far, but I am ecstatic about it. Does anybody have the list for this? __________________ "Arceus who art at spear pillar. Pokemon be thy name. The Elite Four done, The champion done. At league as I am in Sinnoh. Give us this day our daily poffin, and forgive us our ego as we forgive those who underestimate us. And lead us not into Galactic but deliver us from Rocket for thine is the Battle Front and power and glory for ever and ever I choose you"

08/15/2010, 09:56 PM	#4
kamz	go finland for being so awesome __________________ Top 4 at Regionals VGC Arizona 09 Junior Division Top 8 at Nationals VGC 09 Junior Divsion Top 4 at Worlds VGC 09 Junior Division Top 8 at Regionals VGC San Jose 11 Senior Division Winner 2011 Worlds VGC Senior Division

08/15/2010, 10:24 PM	#7
jeffrey123	I played this at battle roads without abomnasnow. It works well but the cursegar match is extremely difficult. I played this: 3-1 gigas 3 mesprit 2-1 uxie 2 azelf (1 downer) 2-2/1-1 Abomnasnow 4 DCE 4 water 3 steel 3 fighting 3 felicites. __________________ 2011 Grinder Survivor Top 32 US Nationals 2012 Whoops. I lost my Whooper. Can I ahve urz?

08/16/2010, 11:27 AM	#10
Iinin_Hero	Finland is awesome! __________________ WHISCAAAASHH!!!

08/16/2010, 12:43 PM	#11
Dennis Hawk	Spoilers: I played 2-2 Gigas for Cursegar matchup... Will be posting the list when I get home and get my report written. __________________ 1 Cities win, 2 States wins, 6th and 5th at Nationals and 12th at Worlds with Gigas. Looking for a new deck.

08/16/2010, 12:45 PM	#12
DonphanAtoZ	Curious Alex2k, why only 3 Mesprit? Isn't 4 typical? __________________

08/16/2010, 01:12 PM	#16
renfield89	All of the above have failed to recognize Abomasnow as a Mewtwo counter as well. 60+paralyze, 60 KO. Similar list was highly played at US Nats. Cheers. __________________ Team Sugarbush A 1-1-1 or 1-0-1 line is a tech. A 1-1-1-1 or 1-0-1-1 line, however, is a JOKE. Check Out My Trade Thread

08/16/2010, 03:49 PM	#19
DonphanAtoZ	Wait...How do you galactic switch while power locked? Basically it will take them TWO turns to set up ERL. There ya go. __________________

08/16/2010, 04:02 PM	#22
DonphanAtoZ	I'm just saying that was probably his idea. __________________

08/16/2010, 04:03 PM	#23
jeffrey123	Donphan-3 mesprit was a perfect amount. 4 was just too much. Gigas is legit, and hopefully I can make a boss list for roads __________________ 2011 Grinder Survivor Top 32 US Nationals 2012 Whoops. I lost my Whooper. Can I ahve urz?

08/16/2010, 04:27 PM	#25
jeffrey123	Gigas runs judge as well. Power Spray is a non-issue. For the new format, i'm wondering how Gigas will deal with Machamp. Abomasnow is a decent counter, but can't really keep up with it. Drifblim UD is a thought, but it forces you to run psychic. Any ideas? __________________ 2011 Grinder Survivor Top 32 US Nationals 2012 Whoops. I lost my Whooper. Can I ahve urz?