Cards that cancel or prevent evolution...

[Arks Arcanum]

Are there any? Thanks in advance.

[DragonClyne725]

The closest card I can think of is Aerodactyl GL

[AyameHikaru]

Do you mean in Modified or Unlimited? Aerodactyl from Fossil prevents evolutions.

[Asrialys]

Dialga #6 from Platinum has a Poke-Body that prevents your opponent's Active Pokemon from evolving. There's also a Stadium that "penalizes" evolving by putting two damage counters, but I can't remember what it is.

[TeH_JERGEN]

TMTS-2 removes teh highest stage evolution card off of the defending pokemon.

[waynegg]

omastar removes the highest evolution from each of you opponent's pokemon with a power when it evolves.

[Kurama]

Jirachi Unleashed is probably the best. Look into him

[Kraai]

I've used Aereodactyl GL with great results before as a set up.

[Kayle]

Aerodactyl GL only works on the Defending Pokemon, so... it's not exactly reliable...

[losjackal]

Originally Posted by waynegg

omastar removes the highest evolution from each of you opponent's pokemon with a power when it evolves.

Thanks Wayne! With spread decks perhaps gaining some strength with the next set, this will be good to keep top of mind.

[waynegg]

Originally Posted by Kurama

Jirachi Unleashed is probably the best. Look into him

How is an attack that just puts the evos back into the owners hand better than a power from a virtual Stage 1 (since Helix Fossil evolves FROM THE DECK just by attaching a water Energy to it) which does the same thing "the best"? It's not like you have to worry about Power Spray in that scenario (SPs don't evolve...) and simply putting them back into your opponent's hand as an attack does nothing by itself as they will just plop them right back down as soon as their turn starts.

[ShuckleLVX]

The easiest way to stop a basic from evolving is knock it out.

[Tim17]

Asrialys - you're talking about Galactic HQ.

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waynegg - assuming you're reffering to MD #26 Omastar Lv 53 - it works only on the benched pokémon (so active will stay evolved).

but I would have to agree with ShuckleLVX - KO the basic before it can evolve is the way to go.....

for the admin's - the post wouldn't let me add two links in the same posting (I've had this issue once before).

[Kurama]

Originally Posted by waynegg

How is an attack that just puts the evos back into the owners hand better than a power from a virtual Stage 1 (since Helix Fossil evolves FROM THE DECK just by attaching a water Energy to it) which does the same thing "the best"? It's not like you have to worry about Power Spray in that scenario (SPs don't evolve...) and simply putting them back into your opponent's hand as an attack does nothing by itself as they will just plop them right back down as soon as their turn starts.

Your ignoring the fact that with all the trainer locking around, you basically have to have that fossil down turn 1. And whats stopping them from powerspraying omastar? And your just describing the weaknesses of Jirachi and Omastar in you post. Jirachi is also a basic, and its attack does the devolution, not the power. Not to mention Jirachi can still devolve your opponents after a powerspray, while Omastar has a pretty sub-par attack. Therefore, Jirachi is the better choice, not to mention it takes up much less space in a deck and uses commonly used energy.

[Tim17]

Originally Posted by Kurama

Your ignoring the fact that with all the trainer locking around, you basically have to have that fossil down turn 1. And whats stopping them from powerspraying omastar? And your just describing the weaknesses of Jirachi and Omastar in you post. Jirachi is also a basic, and its attack does the devolution, not the power. Not to mention Jirachi can still devolve your opponents after a powerspray, while Omastar has a pretty sub-par attack. Therefore, Jirachi is the better choice, not to mention it takes up much less space in a deck and uses commonly used energy.

either that or get rid of the trainer lock. And he did point out that if they're running Power Spray chances are it's an SP DECK meaning LITTLE TO NO EVOLVED CARDS as SP Pokémon are BASIC.

that aside - both Jirachi and Omastar have advantages over one another. Jirachi is a basic as you pointed out and uses an attack to devolve. However it does require quite a bit of energy to hit [I'm basing this off memory as I haven't really looked at my Jirachi/etc] as many as Omastar can....

Omastar can be comboed as well by using Judge/Lookers after use Omastar's power, thus they will not be able to simply evolve everything back again, unlike the scenario with Jirachi.

[Arks Arcanum]

Thanks all for the feedback. I am actually working on a different lock deck, but facing some trouble with well anything thats not sp lol. Thanks again!

[waynegg]

Originally Posted by Tim17

waynegg - assuming you're reffering to MD #26 Omastar Lv 53 - it works only on the benched pokémon (so active will stay evolved).

That's the one. I was going off of memory when I posted. Thanks for the correction.

Originally Posted by Kurama

And whats stopping them from powerspraying omastar?

Just the part where you have to have 3 SP Pokemon in play to use Power Spray, and the little known (apparently) fact that SP Pokemon don't evolve...

Originally Posted by Kurama

Jirachi is also a basic, and its attack does the devolution, not the power.

Right, which means your turn ends and you've completely wasted your attack as you watch your opponent simply re-evolve all the Pokemon you just devolved back to their hand...

Originally Posted by Kurama

Not to mention Jirachi can still devolve your opponents after a powerspray, while Omastar has a pretty sub-par attack.

LOL first part as (again) you can't devolve SP Pokemon because they don't evolve in the first place. While Omastar's attack IS sub-par, it's not nearly as bad as the completely wasted attack you get from Jirachi. Both of these Pokemon are used for their Powers. At least with Omastar you have a built in virtual (since Helix evolves to Omanyte from the deck just for attaching an Energy) Basic Pokemon draw enigine to get your game off to a fast start and which has 80HP and a decent Weakness. Then after you devolve your opponent's bench via Omastar's Poke-Power you can still do other things such as hand disruption and attacking while your opponent's Pokemon are more vulnerable; while with Jirachi's attack the turn just ends...

[Little Lad]

Primal Swirl Omastar's best case scenario would be:

Against a stage 1 or 2 deck of course. Warp point/cyclone energy/circulate or otherwise switch out the evolved defending pokemon...

It's now on the bench. Lay down Omastar, devolve all those mean and nasty stage 1's and 2's and then use either Judge or Lookers.

Understand that he can be sprayed, but really as mentioned above... against an SP deck, devolving is useless. Anyway, I've seen it most effective in Amphysnow decks that spread damage and then devolve for multiple knock outs.

As mentioned by Jergen, Technical Machine TS-2 (LA) is a Trainer that, when attached to your active pokemon, will choose one of your opponent's pokemon and as an energy-less attack (Devoluter) , will remove the highest stage evolution card and put it back into your opponent's hand. Your turn is over at that point, but the idea is that there's heavy damage on the chosen pokemon, and devolving it will in effect knockout the basic/stage 1 beneath. Ideally, your opponent now has a useless evolution card in his/her hand.

It's kind of a passive-aggressive sniping attack, whereas Omastar is just aggressively passive aggressive.

[Luxray13]

Originally Posted by Asrialys

Dialga #6 from Platinum has a Poke-Body that prevents your opponent's Active Pokemon from evolving. There's also a Stadium that "penalizes" evolving by putting two damage counters, but I can't remember what it is.

It's miasma valley I think
mooooooooooooooooooooooomoo?

[waynegg]

Originally Posted by Luxray13

It's miasma valley I think
mooooooooooooooooooooooomoo?

It's Galactic HQ.

[Tim17]

Originally Posted by Tim17

Asrialys - you're talking about Galactic HQ.

Originally Posted by Luxray13

It's miasma valley I think
mooooooooooooooooooooooomoo?

Originally Posted by waynegg

It's Galactic HQ.

wow....guess some people just skim around, lol.

as for the topic - Unless you're going for a few KO's with an attack like Jirachi or even 1 KO with Devolver, then I would say that overall MD Omastar is the better choice. You can combo with a Judge or Lookers to return the evolution cards back into the deck in the event that you do not KO some of the devolved pokémon. Can't really do that with Jirachi/Devolver.....

[flariados]

you would first have to put damage on your opponents for Jirachi or TS-2 Devolutor to work.

[Kayle]

Jirachi or Devoluter would only be effective if there were either damage counters already placed (as flariados said) or if the opponent used Rare Candy.

Even then, BTS...

[FunnyBear]

I remember the hype about how Jirachi is going to change the format, and the fact that Devoluter and Omastar are almost never played doesn't matter because Jirachi is "different". Where are all these people now that Jirachi is also almost never seen?

[Rogue Archetype]

Originally Posted by Arks Arcanum

Thanks all for the feedback. I am actually working on a different lock deck, but facing some trouble with well anything thats not sp lol. Thanks again!

Then you allow a few spot in your deck for MewTwoX or Machamp SF and keep locking!