Jalorda and Nidoqueen

Awesomonewb · 10/31/2010, 11:39 AM

Jalorda - Grass - HP130
Stage 2 - Evolves from Janovy

Ability: Royal Heal
As long as this Pokemon is in play, in between turns, restore 10 HP to each of your Pokemon.

[G][C] Grass Mixer: 60 damage. Choose any number of Grass Energy attached to your Pokemon and move it to your Pokemon in any way you like.

Weakness: Fire (x2)
Resistance: Water (-20)
Retreat: 1

Without any restrictions on how many you can use per turn, you can possibly heal 50 damage in between each turn and have a decent attacker out... What do you think?

Scipio · 10/31/2010, 12:18 PM

I don't think Nidoqueen is even needed...Pokemon Center, on the other hand, might prove to make this thing even more fun. The ability to move energy around definitely helps.

Ninja · 10/31/2010, 01:37 PM

I think it looks amazing, cant wait to see the water evo tho lol

I hope it has a nice ability :D

Awesomonewb · 10/31/2010, 04:57 PM

Yeah forgot about that.

With Pokemon Center you can have 6 damage off per turn.

**Regis_Neo** · 11/01/2010, 02:27 PM

Only thing is that Pokemon Center also heals your opponent's Benched Pokemon, which isn't cool. Besides, with the lack of spread decks, why would you need to heal even more off your Benched?

Finally, this is assuming they don't do a wacky cut and chop off RR...which at any rate, 4 Jalorda healing 4 damage counters inbetween every turn is already quite a bit, likely forcing you to OHKO one since anything less will be largely healed off by the time your next turn comes around.

*treyh37* · 11/01/2010, 03:10 PM

yeah this should make us see some decent grass decks next year, and since its a starter poke hopefully we should be able to get 2-3 copies of it easily (tins, preconstructed etc)

*Argyris* · 11/01/2010, 03:40 PM

Five stage 2s? In a format without Claydol? I really don't see this happening. Jalorda's pretty nice, but that kind of setup is expecting too much. It assumes that you've got the perfect way to get it out, none of the basics or stage 2s are in your prizes, and that your opponent isn't doing anything about it. Lemme guess. You've also got Expert Belts attached to all of your Jalordas and a Landmin LvX on the bench, too, right? It sounds like a perfect counter to Spread decks, too, but those decks just got the Heal Block Solrock. We don't even know what else is in the set, so there might be a beastly fire type to take these Pokemon down easily as well.

That said, I like this Jalorda, and depending on what the rest of the set brings, it could be competetive. I just don't see this happening consistently.

***Prime*** · 11/01/2010, 05:18 PM

So...

Solrock TM + Lunatone shuts this down.

Ninja · 11/01/2010, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime

So...

Solrock TM + Lunatone shuts this down.

Exactly what I was thinking xD

skovtrold · 11/01/2010, 05:33 PM

i was thinking blaziken fb jet shoots ur jalorda for 160, completely ignoring ur heals..

Awesomonewb · 11/01/2010, 06:14 PM

Yeah I guess weakness is always a problem.

Yoshi- · 11/01/2010, 06:52 PM

This thing in flyterry *drools*
Anyway I love queen and Im happy it will be around, no matter what :P

Volt · 11/01/2010, 07:02 PM

Wait for the fire starter, nuff said.

Scipio · 11/02/2010, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime

So...

Solrock TM + Lunatone shuts this down.

So...

Dialga G LV.X shuts that down.

flariados · 11/02/2010, 05:00 AM

Dialga lvx also shuts down all your poké-bodies

Scipio · 11/02/2010, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flariados

Dialga lvx also shuts down all your poké-bodies

Jalorda doesn't have a Poké-body

*Naki Feralkin* · 11/02/2010, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime

So...

Solrock TM + Lunatone shuts this down.

I heard there's this card called Luxray GL Level X which has free retreat that can drag up pokemon.

That aside, don't underestimate this guy, at all. I can see some really nasty things coming from this card. Honestly, I don't think you need Nidoqueen in this deck, mostly because removing up to four damage counters between turns (Thats EIGHTY HP'S BEFORE YOUR OPPONENTS NEXT TURN) is insane enough. I honestly don't think you even need Pokemon Center with the way this guy works.

Quote:

i was thinking blaziken fb jet shoots ur jalorda for 160, completely ignoring ur heals..

I was thinking Exploud is still in format. :P

Quote:

Dialga lvx also shuts down all your poké-bodies

Abilities are Poke-bodies now?

*flash2351* · 11/02/2010, 08:11 AM

@Naki: I heard theres a card called Lunatone that prevents you from dmg-ing my lunatone/solrock using lv. x. And even if you manage to take out one, i can easily comm/collector one out before you can heal.

I was also thinking that exploud has almost never seen successful play so far. And your bench space will also become a issue with it since u have so many bench warmers.

So far, in japan, all the poke-powers and bodies are merged into one under abilities. BUT the format in japan is HGSS on so there are no cards that can lock abilities so far.

Scipio · 11/02/2010, 08:13 AM

Keep in mind that a card locking Bodies will probably be unable to lock Abilities, much as how Dialga G LVX cannot lock the old Pokémon Powers.

TheGeneral · 11/02/2010, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scipio

So...

Dialga G LV.X shuts that down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naki Feralkin

I heard there's this card called Luxray GL Level X which has free retreat that can drag up pokemon.

That aside, don't underestimate this guy, at all. I can see some really nasty things coming from this card. Honestly, I don't think you need Nidoqueen in this deck, mostly because removing up to four damage counters between turns (Thats EIGHTY HP'S BEFORE YOUR OPPONENTS NEXT TURN) is insane enough. I honestly don't think you even need Pokemon Center with the way this guy works.

I was thinking Exploud is still in format. :P

Abilities are Poke-bodies now?

Quote:

Originally Posted by flash2351

@Naki: I heard theres a card called Lunatone that prevents you from dmg-ing my lunatone/solrock using lv. x. And even if you manage to take out one, i can easily comm/collector one out before you can heal.

I was also thinking that exploud has almost never seen successful play so far. And your bench space will also become a issue with it since u have so many bench warmers.

So far, in japan, all the poke-powers and bodies are merged into one under abilities. BUT the format in *** is HGSS on so there are no cards that can lock abilities so far.

I love theorymon....it's the only way to keep this thread alive I guess

*Naki Feralkin* · 11/02/2010, 09:50 AM

Quote:

@Naki: I heard theres a card called Lunatone that prevents you from dmg-ing my lunatone/solrock using lv. x. And even if you manage to take out one, i can easily comm/collector one out before you can heal.p

I should have mentioned that I didn't plan on attacking with the Luxray. I am well aware of that Lunatone (Its the best one), and Luxray GL Level X can benefit from Poketurn, in which case Solrock then gets OHKO'd by Jalorda.

Quote:

I was also thinking that exploud has almost never seen successful play so far. And your bench space will also become a issue with it since u have so many bench warmers.

Thats mostly due to Dialga G Level X and the fact that its never been overly beneficial to remove weakness. I also completely forgot about Metapod HG/SS which does the same thing as Exploud except is Stage 1. That removes the "Too many Stage 2's makes a deck clunky" factor.

10/31/2010, 12:18 PM	#2
Scipio Images: 42	I don't think Nidoqueen is even needed...Pokemon Center, on the other hand, might prove to make this thing even more fun. The ability to move energy around definitely helps. __________________ At the Dutch Nationals, a deck was stolen from me. It contained 3 Yanmega primes. 3 weeks later, Yanmega takes USA and Canada nationals by storm. I never felt this cheated before.

11/01/2010, 02:27 PM	#5
Regis_Neo Forum Moderator Blog Entries: 1 Images: 24	Only thing is that Pokemon Center also heals your opponent's Benched Pokemon, which isn't cool. Besides, with the lack of spread decks, why would you need to heal even more off your Benched? Finally, this is assuming they don't do a wacky cut and chop off RR...which at any rate, 4 Jalorda healing 4 damage counters inbetween every turn is already quite a bit, likely forcing you to OHKO one since anything less will be largely healed off by the time your next turn comes around. __________________ Shameless self-promotion: Interested in the VGC? Want to be the best you can be? Check out my VGC Teambuilding guide here: http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=158669

11/01/2010, 07:02 PM	#13
Volt Frontier Brain Images: 1	Wait for the fire starter, nuff said. __________________ 3rd - Benelux Cup 2010 3rd - German Nationals 2010 3rd - Prague European Cup 2010

11/02/2010, 08:13 AM	#19
Scipio Images: 42	Keep in mind that a card locking Bodies will probably be unable to lock Abilities, much as how Dialga G LVX cannot lock the old Pokémon Powers. __________________ At the Dutch Nationals, a deck was stolen from me. It contained 3 Yanmega primes. 3 weeks later, Yanmega takes USA and Canada nationals by storm. I never felt this cheated before.

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10/31/2010, 11:39 AM	#1
Awesomonewb	Jalorda and Nidoqueen Jalorda - Grass - HP130 Stage 2 - Evolves from Janovy Ability: Royal Heal As long as this Pokemon is in play, in between turns, restore 10 HP to each of your Pokemon. [G][C] Grass Mixer: 60 damage. Choose any number of Grass Energy attached to your Pokemon and move it to your Pokemon in any way you like. Weakness: Fire (x2) Resistance: Water (-20) Retreat: 1 Without any restrictions on how many you can use per turn, you can possibly heal 50 damage in between each turn and have a decent attacker out... What do you think? __________________ I miss pokemon. Haven't played too much...

10/31/2010, 01:37 PM	#3
Ninja	I think it looks amazing, cant wait to see the water evo tho lol I hope it has a nice ability :D __________________ Team Shuriken Cade K. Texas. Master. Gonna make it big someday.

10/31/2010, 04:57 PM	#4
Awesomonewb	Yeah forgot about that. With Pokemon Center you can have 6 damage off per turn. __________________ I miss pokemon. Haven't played too much...

11/01/2010, 03:10 PM	#6
treyh37 Images: 3	yeah this should make us see some decent grass decks next year, and since its a starter poke hopefully we should be able to get 2-3 copies of it easily (tins, preconstructed etc)

11/01/2010, 03:40 PM	#7
Argyris	Five stage 2s? In a format without Claydol? I really don't see this happening. Jalorda's pretty nice, but that kind of setup is expecting too much. It assumes that you've got the perfect way to get it out, none of the basics or stage 2s are in your prizes, and that your opponent isn't doing anything about it. Lemme guess. You've also got Expert Belts attached to all of your Jalordas and a Landmin LvX on the bench, too, right? It sounds like a perfect counter to Spread decks, too, but those decks just got the Heal Block Solrock. We don't even know what else is in the set, so there might be a beastly fire type to take these Pokemon down easily as well. That said, I like this Jalorda, and depending on what the rest of the set brings, it could be competetive. I just don't see this happening consistently.

11/01/2010, 05:18 PM	#8
*Prime* Content Developer Blog Admin Contest Host Blog Entries: 22 Images: 77	So... Solrock TM + Lunatone shuts this down.

11/01/2010, 06:14 PM	#11
Awesomonewb	Yeah I guess weakness is always a problem. __________________ I miss pokemon. Haven't played too much...

11/01/2010, 06:52 PM	#12
Yoshi-	This thing in flyterry drools Anyway I love queen and Im happy it will be around, no matter what :P __________________ ~ German National Champion 2010 (Masters) ~ ~ 1st Place European Professor Cup 2010 ~ ~ T32 Worlds 2010 ~ ~ Team Hatter ~

11/02/2010, 05:00 AM	#15
flariados	Dialga lvx also shuts down all your poké-bodies

11/02/2010, 08:11 AM	#18
flash2351	@Naki: I heard theres a card called Lunatone that prevents you from dmg-ing my lunatone/solrock using lv. x. And even if you manage to take out one, i can easily comm/collector one out before you can heal. I was also thinking that exploud has almost never seen successful play so far. And your bench space will also become a issue with it since u have so many bench warmers. So far, in japan, all the poke-powers and bodies are merged into one under abilities. BUT the format in japan is HGSS on so there are no cards that can lock abilities so far. Last edited by flash2351; 11/02/2010 at 08:30 AM.