Tyranichamp?

[Qwachansey]

I think these two could mix well with Ttar for the Vilegar matchup and Champ for the SP ones. Thoughts?

[Kayle]

That does seem interesting, but it's kind of uncool mixing two high-retreat Pokemon and hoping to be able to switch between them. Something to try for sure.

Any list thoughts?

[Qwachansey]

Here's what I have so far:

3-2-3 Tyranitar Prime
3-2-3-1 Machamp LV X
1-0-1 Nidoqueen
1 Regice
2 Uxie

4 Collector
3 Bebe's
3 Communication
4 Warp Point
2 Expert Belt
1 Luxury Ball
1 Palmer's
2 Looker's
3 Rare Candy
2 Broken Time-Space

4 Double Colorless
4 Special Dark
3 Fighting
2 Rainbow

I think it wouldn't be so much attacking with both as focusing on one attacker/attack mode. Warp Points seem like a good idea and can boost my Gyarados match up. I've got an extra space - Unown Q maybe?

A starter wouldn't be bad either.

[Kayle]

Unown Q would always be good. Try a 2-2-2 Tyranitar line and -2 Warp Points for some Sableyes, too, to be safe.

[Barkjon]

I've played against it at league, it rocks. It's a Gengar (VileGar or LostGar, eventually) and SP counter in one!

[Qwachansey]

I <3 Warp Point so I don't really want to lower my count. Sableye is a good idea... and I have Special Darks... hmmmm.

Barkjon, did you use it at Battle Roads?

[Kayle]

I definitely understand you not wanting to drop the Warp Count count, but personally I think the Sableyes are more important than the Warp Points. ;P

[Qwachansey]

Could you suggest anything else to take out? *pun*

[Barkjon]

Originally Posted by Qwachansey

Barkjon, did you use it at Battle Roads?

Never played with it, only against it. I played Scizor/Cherrim at BRs.

[Politoed666]

I actually want to mix up Absol Prime, Tyranitar Prime, Mew Prime, and Machamp SF.

[Kayle]

Originally Posted by Politoed666

I actually want to mix up Absol Prime, Tyranitar Prime, Mew Prime, and Machamp SF.

...
Yes.

4 Absol Prime
3 Mew Prime
2 Machamp SF
2 Tyranitar Prime

+ a bunch of secret stuff

[Qwachansey]

Complication Overload!

[Kayle]

It's not that complicated. You lead with Absol for early spread and damage, Lost Zone Machamp and Tyranitar, and switch to Mew to copy whichever attack you want.

[Qwachansey]

Eh, I prefer the HP boost and Stage 2ness.

[clifton snorlax]

i've played this deck extensively and i have to say it is very good against sp's

but...

in this format 3 stage2's don't cut it, it's too slow and often gets bad hands

Machamp is definately a good counter against sp's but then so is tyranitar with queen. aside from sp's machamp does very little for the deck and i often found it took a backseat to t-tar.
Against gyarados, which is quickly becoming popular once again, machamp is useless. 130hp stage 1 with -20 fighting resistance says it all.
Gengar shouldn't be a problem with t-tar but once again machamp is useless with +30 psychic weakness.
Finally, the deck has very little synergy and you need to run either fighting or rainbow energy (trust me, that 1 damge counter adds up quickly).

By all means run the deck, it counters the upcoming gengar prime decks when lost world is released which is very good, but my advice would be 2-2-2-1 machamp 3-3-3 t-tar and 4 spiritomb.
sableye is good but it almost never gets the donk and sometimes promotes the donk if it's your only pokemon, of course it is good for decks like sabelock and gyarados.

[Qwachansey]

I'm worried that SP will be able to overcome 2 Machamps though, does it?

[Redados1]

I play straight-Machamp, and although a Toxitank/Blazechomp deck has taken down 5 machamps in one game, LuxChomp can't handle that. What people don't understand is that Machamp isn't an effective tech. Once I can swarm with three Machamps, their game is pretty much over (unless it's Toxitank). SP will overcome two machamps. Not without great cost, but they will. All it takes is a Dragon rush +Psychic Restore or Drifblim(or other mewtwo counter or Uxie X) + Lucario GL + Crobat G or ToxicroakG + Stadium + Skuntank G + Lucario GL or anything. I have seen people tech in a 1-1-1 Machamp as a "Luxchomp tech". Teching in Machamp is like teching in Mewtwo: They'll play around it. An effective Machamp deck can swarm for the win. That's how it beats SP, not as a 2-1-2 tech. Run it full or run it fail

[Qwachansey]

Originally Posted by Redados1

I play straight-Machamp, and although a Toxitank/Blazechomp deck has taken down 5 machamps in one game, LuxChomp can't handle that. What people don't understand is that Machamp isn't an effective tech. Once I can swarm with three Machamps, their game is pretty much over (unless it's Toxitank). SP will overcome two machamps. Not without great cost, but they will. All it takes is a Dragon rush +Psychic Restore or Drifblim(or other mewtwo counter or Uxie X) + Lucario GL + Crobat G or ToxicroakG + Stadium + Skuntank G + Lucario GL or anything. I have seen people tech in a 1-1-1 Machamp as a "Luxchomp tech". Teching in Machamp is like teching in Mewtwo: They'll play around it. An effective Machamp deck can swarm for the win. That's how it beats SP, not as a 2-1-2 tech. Run it full or run it fail

3-2-3-1 is pretty full IMO.

[Kayle]

Originally Posted by Qwachansey

I'm worried that SP will be able to overcome 2 Machamps though, does it?

It's not overcoming two Champs you have to be terrified of (though they can and will if you don't get a much better start than they do), it's having one prized and watching them spray your Azelf.

[Qwachansey]

If I stick with 3 Champs, even if one is prized at least I'll get some KOs and maybe draw into the Champ. Two still seems like a force to be reckoned with, especially with Warp Point/retreating for 1 thanks to Unown Q.

[Kayle]

Warping/Retreating a machamp makes no difference to SP. Either way they KO the Machamp, and either way they have to bite another Take Out to make it happen. ;P

[Qwachansey]

What I meant for Warp was that they would have to bring in something on their Bench that would preferably stay on the Bench; it's especially good if they only have a few Benched Pokemon.

Plus, they need Lucario GL + Uxie LV X + Crobat G which is what a Prize most of the time and then a OHKO? I can also set up Tyranitar while I'm using Take Out.

[Kayle]

Originally Posted by Qwachansey

Plus, they need Lucario GL + Uxie LV X + Crobat G which is what a Prize most of the time and then a OHKO? I can also set up Tyranitar while I'm using Take Out.

That's optimum - which often you don't get. I like to quote my MACHAMP SLAYER article from this year's BRs when I think about Luxchomp vs Machamp matchups - in one matchup I sprayed Azelf and they had one of their two Champs prized, and in another I kept them from setting up so that it never mattered. Even though I had to take on several Machamps without a hard counter, I didn't use Zen Blade at all. It was all Dragon Rush + Flash Impact. And sure, it really hurt to eat Take Outs, but it's what I had to work with.

In the end, I won the games either way. You can't think "Oh, it's hard to OHKO so I'll be fine"... you don't have Healing Breath.

[Elite_4_Allen]

Didn't silvestro play this for nats last year?

On topic, i personally don't like this deck, but it's okay with a heavy uxie line.

[Qwachansey]

Yeah but's that against 2 Champs with the unfortunate event of one Prize. Don't ruin my spirits by turning Machamp into a good match up for Lux :(

I would think that after you Rush, I OHKO?