Rate my HG Suicune (recommendations wanted)

[Trainer2000]

Extremespeed
Sheer Cold
Air Slash
Aqua Ring

I am using this in game, how do you think this would do in competitive battles? I am trying this guy out and some people have said that Sheer Cold isn't a good move to use. I don't think it's that bad because people have been suggesting Blizzard, but Sheer Cold CAN knock out pokemon in one hit, even though its accuracy is sorely lacking. Has anyone used the event Suicune outside of the game, and if so, how well (if any) did it do once you got it into battle? I will consider what you guys will say.

[baby mario]

I think that OHKO moves like Sheer Cold are banned in a lot of competitive battles.

I like Calm Mind Suicune with Ice Beam and Surf. That is pretty good for using inside and outside of the game.

[Trainer2000]

Ah, Sheer cold is banned. I didn't expect a banned move to be given away at an official event for Pokemon. I guess I will keep it for now, but I will like to get this guy into competition soon once I train it higher.

[X_empoleon_X]

The move is banned by many online batling sites. Nintendo do not actually look at such battling sites.
The moveset i use on my event Suicune is:

-Aqua Ring
-Calm Mind
-Surf
-Ice Beam

Aqua Ring really helps Suicune out as it always longed for a somewhat realiable healing move (it only had Rest which could be combined with sleep talk) and combined with Leftovers you're healing 1/8th (someone confirm) of you're total HP back every turn which really helps Suicune set up +3 Calm Mind making it a special wall.

Also what nature is you Suicune and do you kow about EV training?

[Benzo]

Sheer cold is not always banned - it is based on what the rules are for the tournament your going to participate in.

There are many tournaments that have the OHKO claus, but it depends on who is running the tournament and what rules they set up, so getting rid of sheer cold is not realy needed to be done.

In competative play- people rely on moves that are 95-100% accurate as it is more reliable vs a move with 30% accuracy anyways.

If you like the "novolty" of your Suicune having the move sheer cold- keep the move. If not, baby mario has a great suggestion as to a good move set.

[Trainer2000]

What move should I replace Sheer cold with if I decide to do so? Blizzard?

[baby mario]

Substitute could be fun.

Blizzard isn't the best idea as you should go with Ice Beam as your Ice move (not as Powerful, but still hits hard with much better accuracy).

[vaporeon]

If it has the Electric type Hidden Power, you should give it that so you have room to deal with other water types and Pokemon like Vaporeon because you don't want to get walled.

[Aron Figaro]

Honestly, my suggestion for a Suicune if it doesn't have HP electric is to make it a Rest Talker:

Calm Mind
Surf
Rest
Sleep Talk

Simple as that, and works on just about any 'cune. I realize it's a cookie-cutter setup, and not very original. I don't claim it to be, I claim it to be something that I know works pretty darn well. If you want originality...try using something with a broader movepool? :p

[Trainer2000]

One attacking move? Ok, then.

[wobbufet]

Event Pokemon usually don't have good movesets. Relaxed isn't a great nature for Suicune to have, though. However, giving Suicune Reflect can take advantage of that nature. I'd say keep ExtremeSpeed, for priority purposes and to get rid of the negative effects of the nature. You can keep Aqua Ring if you want, but I personally prefer ResTalk/Chesto Berry and rest. Or you can keep Calm Mind in place of one of those, and I'd recommend Hydro Pump/Ice Beam for the last slot. EVs should be: 252SPA/252DEF/6HP. Oh yes, I'd also prefer Shadow Ball over ExtremeSpeed.

So.......

Suicune
252SPA/252DEF/6HP
Item: Chesto Berry/Life Orb

ExtremeSpeed/Shadow Ball
Rest/Hydro Pump/Ice Beam/Aqua Ring
Sleep Talk/Hydro Pump/Ice Beam
Calm Mind

[Trainer2000]

How do even pokemont not have "good movesets?!," because this is good, though by no means am I saying this will do poor in battles. I mean, I posted this to another site, and no one there gave a halfway decent moveset to replace this with. This event suicune moveset is fine by me, and I plan on using this in competitive battling once I get someone to give me a battle. The thing is, you guys are giving me some good sets, but I think the variety of the moves in the event moveset will catch some trainers off guard. I think that's the case here...lol

[z-man]

^That is not it entirely. People don't know what you are going for. You don't have EVs or Nature up here. Your Suicune is very general... which is fine when you don't care about competitive. Wobbufet looks very good... but unless you specify your goal to having the Suicune on your team (Rest Talker? Special Wall? IDK), we will not be able to give you a good response. The responses thus far have been good... but you need to go more into detail if you want a more detailed answer.

[wobbufet]

Originally Posted by Trainer2000

How do even pokemont not have "good movesets?!," because this is good, though by no means am I saying this will do poor in battles. I mean, I posted this to another site, and no one there gave a halfway decent moveset to replace this with. This event suicune moveset is fine by me, and I plan on using this in competitive battling once I get someone to give me a battle. The thing is, you guys are giving me some good sets, but I think the variety of the moves in the event moveset will catch some trainers off guard. I think that's the case here...lol

I'm not criticizing your training style. I have the same shiny suicune, and it looks like it came right out of the box. Usually the event movesets aren't great. I can't judge your style of training when I look at something right out of the box. Sorry if it sounded like I was criticizing you.

[Trainer2000]

Originally Posted by z-man

^That is not it entirely. People don't know what you are going for. You don't have EVs or Nature up here. Your Suicune is very general... which is fine when you don't care about competitive. Wobbufet looks very good... but unless you specify your goal to having the Suicune on your team (Rest Talker? Special Wall? IDK), we will not be able to give you a good response. The responses thus far have been good... but you need to go more into detail if you want a more detailed answer.

They have been good, but I am not changing the moveset. I see you guys are still hung up on your "standard" sets. My Suicune, when I plan to have it on my team, will be exactly like this on a competitive team. I went to another site and no one had a problem with the moveset. You're just itching to change it because it doesn't meet the standards like Crocune. I will use this in game and competitively. But, I will at least consider your replies.

[baby mario]

Originally Posted by Trainer2000

They have been good, but I am not changing the moveset. I see you guys are still hung up on your "standard" sets.

It's just like in the TCG.

The 'standard' stuff is the stuff that is proven to work

That said you CAN get good results with surprising movesets in the VG

But you need to have a purpose . . . an exact idea of how you want the Pokemon to work, how it combos with others in the team, what threats are you countering with the unusual moveset etc.

Again, it's just like the TCG . . . non-standard decks which are a surprise counter to the meta are very effective. Stuff that is unusual for the sake of being unusual will always fail.

[Trainer2000]

This Suicune combo's with no other pokemon. It's an attacker. I mean, I play the game for fun and have been doing so in competitive battles and in game battles ever since GSC.

If you want to criticize me for not using what you think I should, then that's OK by me. But, as I said, this suicune is mine, and I plan on using this moveset whenever I put my skills to the test. I considered all your replies and I think you guys know that to play this game you can use whatever it is you want.

[baby mario]

I'm not criticising you at all for using whatever you want. That would be dumb. I mean it's your Pokemon. Do what is most fun for you.

I just thought you were asking for 'recommendations', that's all.

[Yoshi-]

If you want to be competetive stick to what people tell you til you have a basic udnerstanding of comeptetive pokemon, then once you have that down try original stuff. if you dont want to be competetive dont ask for competetive advice. Sheer cold is useless.

Gimicky sets are fun, I used a lot of scarf/switch stuff, I dont even know how many people instandly dced after I scarfed their blissey :D

[z-man]

Originally Posted by Trainer2000

This Suicune combo's with no other pokemon. It's an attacker. I mean, I play the game for fun and have been doing so in competitive battles and in game battles ever since GSC.

This line REALLY bothers me. You came here and asked for help. We answered. You rejected our help claiming that you play for fun and do not want a "standard" set. As far as I am concerned, if I am not playing at a high level, I am not having fun. I would assume the same for you because, if all you cared about was fun (no competition in there), you would not post this thread at all. I'll give you the cold rundown on this Suicune. It is absolute garbage. Without any necessary knowledge (such as EVs and nature), none of us can judge it, but I'll give my analysis based on what you have told us. You want an attacker. This Suicune looks like a mixed attacker, but done completely wrong. Sheer Cold is unreliable and dumb. Aqua Ring has little point in being on an attacker. There are much better moves that Air Slash... like ones that have STAB. Finally, Extreme Speed is fine, but Suicune excels more at Special Attacking, so why waste EVs into trying to Phys attack?

More than that, "standard" sets work because they are good. If somebody has a nonstandard set, it can still be good, but the "standards" are known to work well. If any of us were to lead you into a nonstandard set, we best have a really good justification for it. If a "standard" set were completely horrible, it would not be "standard" for much longer. There is a place for rogue, but as Baby Mario said

Originally Posted by Baby Mario

Stuff that is unusual for the sake of being unusual will always fail.

More over, we were not being pushy. You asked for help, and then quickly rejected it. The fact that you posted it on another site means nothing. I have posted a team full of moves that the respective pokemon cannot get on (the site that sounds like Celebi) before, and gotten the thumbs up from most posters. The fact that we are explaining things here and not just giving you the thumbs up means that we are clearly somewhat credible. Some sites attract bad players. While this is mainly a TCG site, we have given very decent advice here thus far.

Adding to that, Event Pokemon are usually bad. The guys in charge of the giveaways have very little input in the standard metagame. They usually dish out garbage sets just because they are iconic moves for the character. I have yet to see any Event that I wouldn't change most of the moveset. Under no circumstances are the "event movesets" ever very usable.


ONCE AGAIN, this is YOUR game and YOUR Pokemon, so YOU get to do what you want to with it, but you asked for advice, so we gave advice. We gave what we felt would help you be most competitive with the game. I'd highly recommend you test your sets against good players. If it works for you, good for you. I think most of us can agree that we gave advice for a high tier of player (the type that you would expect to see playing with very powerful sets as opposed to thrown together Pokemon). If this works for your tier of gaming, good for you. I can (in theorymon) barely see how this could get past the thrown-together tier of players. To prove this, I may as well go play the set on a simulator later today. I'll post some logs if this thread continues

/Rant

Sorry if anything came on harsh... Just need to let out some steam.

[Trainer2000]

z-man, I am OK with the movesets you all have given, but again, you miss my point. You can offer recommandations all you want, which is what I wanted, but, in the end, it is up to me (and me alone to decide) what moveset I am going to keep on Suicune. Still, thanks to everyone who gave advice, though I think my moveset I have now still is devastating and unexpected.

[z-man]

Originally Posted by Trainer2000

z-man, I am OK with the movesets you all have given, but again, you miss my point. You can offer recommandations all you want, which is what I wanted, but, in the end, it is up to me (and me alone to decide) what moveset I am going to keep on Suicune. Still, thanks to everyone who gave advice, though I think my moveset I have now still is devastating and unexpected.

You appear to miss my point. What is the purpose of posting this thread if you weren't planning on taking any advice.

[Pikamaster]

Originally Posted by Trainer2000

z-man, I am OK with the movesets you all have given, but again, you miss my point. You can offer recommandations all you want, which is what I wanted, but, in the end, it is up to me (and me alone to decide) what moveset I am going to keep on Suicune. Still, thanks to everyone who gave advice, though I think my moveset I have now still is devastating and unexpected.

I tried to stay out of this, but here I have to disagree. No, it isn't "devastating", imo, and I'll list why.

1. In a lot of online play, the use of OHKO moves are banned. No, I'm not going to explain why, just accept it.

2. Any good player will be able to play around this set. Most people have a Pokemon that can inflict a status move, or at least a strong special attacker. While you're pouring EVs into attacking stats, they'll just have a Pokemon faster than you (Gengar or Shaymin, for example) who can deliver a powerful super effective hit.

3. You have no STAB move. Any electric type Pokemon with decent defense (Lanturn, for example) destroys you. Steel Pokemon also pose a problem. How on earth do you expect to take them down? Especially if they have Sturdy? To use your own words:

Originally Posted by Trainer2000

This Suicune combo's with no other pokemon.

Which is basically saying that you aren't using anything else to help it out...

Yes, this is your Suicune, do what you want with it, but don't come here for advice, then be rude to other people who try to help you.

[Porii Sames]

Just go Crocune, Rest/ST/CM/Surf with a Toxic Spikes user and a Spinblocker. Simple.

[vaporeon]

I'd take the advice of the members here. The OHKO thing is NOT a real rule but its a pretty standard rule that players follow and if you are seen using it, players with D/C on you.

The people here are trying to help. No we are not the best players but we know how to use walls and tanks. Bulky Water Pokemon are hard to run and the reason is you have to give up a lot to keep them alive.

Take a look at this

Suicune
252 SDEF/252 DEF/6HP
Item: Chesto Berry/Leftovers

Calm Mind
Rest
Sleep Talk
Surf/ Hydro Pump/ Other attack move here

With this set, which I see a of, you get walled by water types. Sure it looks good on paper but how many teams pack a Vaporeon, which can't be hurt my this set? With this Pokemon, using Calm Mind and Rest are needed in the same sets and if you're not using Sleeo Talk, you can add a Hidden Power or Shadow Ball if it learns it but you risk the 2 turn sleep, which is enough for your opponent to set up on.

Suicune is a hard Pokemon to use because its not very fast to use Calm Mind with out recovery or stall and its stab moves get blocked by common types. I say if you do use it, find a way to get it to work without Calm Mind.