blastoise needs a friend: floatzel or feral?

*keitarocks* · 05/15/2011, 08:51 PM

im trying to build a water deck

(HGSS format), so now i have 4 blastoise, but i dont know if should put 2 floatzels? or 2 ferals?
floatzels are fasters 'cause they are stage 1, but they let me put only 1 more energy, so i need at least 2 on my bench for blastoise.
on the other side is feral, its a stage 2, slower than floatzel but has more hp and i only need 1 on my bench, so ill have more rooms for another support pokemon like noctowls or even 1 magnezone prime, both draw power pokemons.
i need some help here.
thanks in advance.

misnos · 05/15/2011, 09:03 PM

You dont need 2 Floatzel on the bench. Attach to Floatzel via his power, attach to Blastoise and move the energy on Floatzel up.

RexTeoh · 05/15/2011, 09:25 PM

and if u r playing feri, u can't play magnezone prime too many stage 2

butlerforhire · 05/15/2011, 11:11 PM

Go with Floatzel. In addition to the speed and space advantages that come with being a stage 1 over a stage 2, Floatzel has free retreat, meaning that if you start with Buizel, you don't have to waste energy after evolving (unlike the Feraligatr line).

**jjkkl** · 05/16/2011, 07:59 AM

Run Floatzels with a fishing (pun intended) engine.

*keitarocks* · 05/16/2011, 10:00 AM

i see, thanks for your opinions, but, whats a fishing engine?

Gyaradan · 05/16/2011, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keitarocks

i see, thanks for your opinions, but, whats a fishing engine?

fisherman. it's a supporter that allows you to get 4 water energy back to your hand from the discard.

*keitarocks* · 05/16/2011, 10:55 AM

oh i though it was something else, thanks :)

**jjkkl** · 05/16/2011, 01:08 PM

Actually, fishing engine is an old term used to talk about things such as Pokeballs, Great Balls, Quick Balls, etc, used to both topdeck and run trainer heavy.

The idea of a Fishing Engine is to get what you using easily spammed trainers and topdecking and hand refreshing. The best example would be Scizor/Cherrim. Fisherman is part of the engine, but isn't the entirety of the engine itself.

Scipio · 05/17/2011, 10:09 AM

One advantage of Feraligatr is that after Zekrom attacks, Feraligatr can one-shot him without getting insta-one-shot back (Pluspowers notwithstanding). Just a little food for thought.

misnos · 05/17/2011, 02:58 PM

I prefer Floatzel over Gatr. I made a quick video showing how it can work in the HGSS-on format, if you want to take a look its in my signature. its the newest video.

Nintendan · 05/17/2011, 03:08 PM

I think Floatzel will be superior in a format with Catcher.
You won't like having your Feraligatr being Catcher'd over and over again.

wulfboy15 · 05/17/2011, 05:33 PM

Hm, I say it all depends.

If you're going for speed, Zekrom isn't popular in your area, and/or Pokemon Catcher(when it comes) gets popular, definitely use Floatzel.
However, if Zekrom is popular then I suggest using Feraligatr since it has Grass weakness and can revenge kill Zekrom easily.

Dual_Draw · 05/17/2011, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nintendan

I think Floatzel will be superior in a format with Catcher.
You won't like having your Feraligatr being Catcher'd over and over again.

In the same way you won't like Floatzel being brought up and KO'd.

misnos · 05/17/2011, 06:30 PM

Well if Floatzel is brought up and not KOd he has free retreat, while Gatr will be out there for a while or you will have to pay the 3 retreat cost.

The point about Zekrom is valid though, but I'm assuming there is something better for a counter.

*keitarocks* · 05/17/2011, 10:10 PM

nice video misnos, 1-1-1 feral is great too on a blastoise-floatzel deck
i would like to put some pokemon with draw power like noctowl or 1-1-1 magnezone prime.

Dual_Draw · 05/17/2011, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by misnos

Well if Floatzel is brought up and not KOd he has free retreat, while Gatr will be out there for a while or you will have to pay the 3 retreat cost.

Floatzel will be brought up to be KO'd though, Gatr can probably instantly retreat through it's Power and DCE, Switch will also be a viable option.

butlerforhire · 05/17/2011, 11:03 PM

Re: Catcher and Floatzel/Feraligatr:

By the time Catcher comes out, the format is going to be a lot different than it is shaping up to be now anyway. As soon as we get the Genies plus Catcher, this and a lot of other set up decks are going to either become extinct or be reconfigured to include Vileplume in a (possibly futile) attempt to stop the turn-after-turn Catcher/OHKO from Basics abuse.

Right now, only a few cards can touch the bench, one of which is of course in this deck. Don't worry about Floatzel getting dragged active until you have to.

05/16/2011, 07:59 AM	#5
jjkkl Front Page Article Editor Blog Entries: 8	Run Floatzels with a fishing (pun intended) engine. __________________ I am Pokegym's official Grammar Nazi. If you have any questions or comments on writing, feel free to ask me. Likewise, if you have a paper, report, etc., that you want me to proofread, I'd be more than happy. If you do, give me enough time in advance.

05/16/2011, 01:08 PM	#9
jjkkl Front Page Article Editor Blog Entries: 8	Actually, fishing engine is an old term used to talk about things such as Pokeballs, Great Balls, Quick Balls, etc, used to both topdeck and run trainer heavy. The idea of a Fishing Engine is to get what you using easily spammed trainers and topdecking and hand refreshing. The best example would be Scizor/Cherrim. Fisherman is part of the engine, but isn't the entirety of the engine itself. __________________ I am Pokegym's official Grammar Nazi. If you have any questions or comments on writing, feel free to ask me. Likewise, if you have a paper, report, etc., that you want me to proofread, I'd be more than happy. If you do, give me enough time in advance.

05/17/2011, 10:09 AM	#10
Scipio Images: 42	One advantage of Feraligatr is that after Zekrom attacks, Feraligatr can one-shot him without getting insta-one-shot back (Pluspowers notwithstanding). Just a little food for thought. __________________ At the Dutch Nationals, a deck was stolen from me. It contained 3 Yanmega primes. 3 weeks later, Yanmega takes USA and Canada nationals by storm. I never felt this cheated before.

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05/15/2011, 08:51 PM	#1
keitarocks	blastoise needs a friend: floatzel or feral? im trying to build a water deck (HGSS format), so now i have 4 blastoise, but i dont know if should put 2 floatzels? or 2 ferals? floatzels are fasters 'cause they are stage 1, but they let me put only 1 more energy, so i need at least 2 on my bench for blastoise. on the other side is feral, its a stage 2, slower than floatzel but has more hp and i only need 1 on my bench, so ill have more rooms for another support pokemon like noctowls or even 1 magnezone prime, both draw power pokemons. i need some help here. thanks in advance.

05/15/2011, 09:03 PM	#2
misnos	You dont need 2 Floatzel on the bench. Attach to Floatzel via his power, attach to Blastoise and move the energy on Floatzel up. __________________ Trade Me

05/15/2011, 09:25 PM	#3
RexTeoh	and if u r playing feri, u can't play magnezone prime too many stage 2

05/15/2011, 11:11 PM	#4
butlerforhire	Go with Floatzel. In addition to the speed and space advantages that come with being a stage 1 over a stage 2, Floatzel has free retreat, meaning that if you start with Buizel, you don't have to waste energy after evolving (unlike the Feraligatr line). __________________ The butler code of honor is frequently misunderstood. Free asterisks.org from the Land of Asterisks.

05/16/2011, 10:00 AM	#6
keitarocks	i see, thanks for your opinions, but, whats a fishing engine?

05/16/2011, 10:55 AM	#8
keitarocks	oh i though it was something else, thanks :)

05/17/2011, 02:58 PM	#11
misnos	I prefer Floatzel over Gatr. I made a quick video showing how it can work in the HGSS-on format, if you want to take a look its in my signature. its the newest video. __________________ Trade Me

05/17/2011, 03:08 PM	#12
Nintendan	I think Floatzel will be superior in a format with Catcher. You won't like having your Feraligatr being Catcher'd over and over again. __________________ ??? 2012-2013 (Masters) Game Record: 0-0 0 Championship Points

05/17/2011, 05:33 PM	#13
wulfboy15 Blog Entries: 1	Hm, I say it all depends. If you're going for speed, Zekrom isn't popular in your area, and/or Pokemon Catcher(when it comes) gets popular, definitely use Floatzel. However, if Zekrom is popular then I suggest using Feraligatr since it has Grass weakness and can revenge kill Zekrom easily.

05/17/2011, 06:30 PM	#15
misnos	Well if Floatzel is brought up and not KOd he has free retreat, while Gatr will be out there for a while or you will have to pay the 3 retreat cost. The point about Zekrom is valid though, but I'm assuming there is something better for a counter. __________________ Trade Me

05/17/2011, 10:10 PM	#16
keitarocks	nice video misnos, 1-1-1 feral is great too on a blastoise-floatzel deck i would like to put some pokemon with draw power like noctowl or 1-1-1 magnezone prime.

05/17/2011, 11:03 PM	#18
butlerforhire	Re: Catcher and Floatzel/Feraligatr: By the time Catcher comes out, the format is going to be a lot different than it is shaping up to be now anyway. As soon as we get the Genies plus Catcher, this and a lot of other set up decks are going to either become extinct or be reconfigured to include Vileplume in a (possibly futile) attempt to stop the turn-after-turn Catcher/OHKO from Basics abuse. Right now, only a few cards can touch the bench, one of which is of course in this deck. Don't worry about Floatzel getting dragged active until you have to. __________________ The butler code of honor is frequently misunderstood. Free asterisks.org from the Land of Asterisks.