There really is no way to stop Donphan after EP is fully released/

MiniWade · 08/15/2011, 05:48 PM

I was thinking and I couldn't even come up with a card that can stop it, it will always have a partner to provide back up for unfavorable match ups. Whatever counter you throw won't matter, unless it's just plainly straight donphan which is highly unlikely.

Thoughts?

Barkjon · 08/15/2011, 05:49 PM

Now I'm depressed. Thanks a lot dude, I'm gonna go die in a hole.

MiniWade · 08/15/2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkjon

Now I'm depressed. Thanks a lot dude, I'm gonna go die in a hole.

Haha, but it's all true Tornadus won't do anything but crap regardless if it can 2 shot it. Just abuse catcher and thats how you win :]

Barkjon · 08/15/2011, 05:53 PM

^
Yeah, but if you abuse Catcher against Donphan you could also do better.

Yanmega is a soft counter to snipe around Donphan.

MiniWade · 08/15/2011, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkjon

^
Yeah, but if you abuse Catcher against Donphan you could also do better.

Yanmega is a soft counter to snipe around Donphan.

A smart player will know just to spread Donphan's so Yanmega can only snipe for 20 which is pathetic. There's always something with Donphan to take care of Yanmega. Right now all I can think of it the next set roaming with DonMega's.

the cheating bidoof · 08/15/2011, 06:08 PM

donmega(maybe with a tech) will be BDIF and there will be some attempts at a counter and lets say 1 works, the next tournament the donmega player will tech for the counter and beat it and there are not an infinite # of counters for a deck.

Elite_4_Allen · 08/15/2011, 06:13 PM

Donphan is excellent next format, but not the BDIF. Lanturn prime is a very good counter to donphan in my testing. Lanturn prime decks will be very good with the ability to counter the phan.

*Shino Bug Master* · 08/15/2011, 06:28 PM

^Unless your testing involved putting a sticker over Lanturn's weakness and hoping to buy off judges, it shouldn't have show anything less than that Donphan OHKO's for 1 energy and Lanturn OHKO's with a Pokepower and 3 energy.

Donphan/Zekrom is what i think will roll. Zekrom takes EQ damage like a Champ and doles out the harshness to Yanmega and Tornadoman and both just have a lot of bulk that doesnt need additional set-up and are fast to setup.

MiniWade · 08/15/2011, 06:30 PM

Donphan one shots it also Donphan one shots zekrom after e'q.

Mach · 08/15/2011, 06:41 PM

Hasn't all the Donovan hype always turned out completely unnecessary?
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MiniWade · 08/15/2011, 06:45 PM

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Hasn't all the Donovan hype always turned out completely unnecessary?
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Haven't you realized with the release upon catcher Donphan is completely a tank?

Barkjon · 08/15/2011, 06:52 PM

I doubt there will be much straight Donphan - generally run with Champ, I expect.

In the case that you play against DonChamp, you primarily need lots of disruption (Judges especially) and a steady attacker to mess them up.

Anyone else considered Swanna?

*espeon200* · 08/15/2011, 06:59 PM

I'm actually looking at Suicune & Entei LEGEND as a Donphan counter. It seems like it would slot well into any fire deck (ReshiBoar or ReshiPhlosion) and it hits Donphan for weakness doing 140 after removing the 20 from Donphan's Pokebody. Of course, it's not perfect. It is weak to Zekrom and Magnezone, and it gives an opposing Zoroark the ability to snipe anything on your bench with 100 damage and no way to counter.

mewbreon · 08/15/2011, 07:19 PM

my.... what an thought-provoking thread

Ignatious · 08/15/2011, 07:19 PM

Reshiram with Typhlosion has a pretty fair match up against donphan. Think about it, Donphan's first attack doesn't OHKO anything, so all of that damage can be Max Potioned, and if the second attack is being prepared for, Catcher for a OHKO.

Only downside is set-up, which doesn't appear to be very troublesome.

ZebC · 08/15/2011, 07:27 PM

^^^Dang it, my "secret" tech is out of the bag. It fits perfectly in ReshiPhlosion as a mirror tech, because most people run DCE and can be powered up in one turn. I only drop it against the mirror and Donphan, so Zekrom and Magnezone aren't really a problem. Magnezone won't be as big next format with Catcher. It's easy to get out with a high communication count.

wulfboy15 · 08/15/2011, 07:32 PM

Either Beartic anyone?

Politoed666 · 08/15/2011, 08:01 PM

I do expect Donphan to be quite the powerhouse. However, Beartic will provide probably the best counter. Beartic/Vileplume is something I will be feverishly polishing to try and get if working for BRs.

Additionally, we have Tornadus, which resists and 2HKOs Donphan for a DCE and a Colorless, along with Kyurem in the next set. While I see Donphan as a threat, I certainly don't see it as invulnerable.

amphy#1 · 08/15/2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Politoed666

I do expect Donphan to be quite the powerhouse. However, Beartic will provide probably the best counter. Beartic/Vileplume is something I will be feverishly polishing to try and get if working for BRs.

Additionally, we have Tornadus, which resists and 2HKOs Donphan for a DCE and a Colorless, along with Kyurem in the next set. While I see Donphan as a threat, I certainly don't see it as invulnerable.

Kyurem is not in the next set.

Politoed666 · 08/15/2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by amphy#1

Kyurem is not in the next set.

Next set being the one *after* Emerging Powers. Since Worlds T32 got EP boxes, I consider the set "out." Sorry for the confusion.

*Naki Feralkin* · 08/15/2011, 09:53 PM

I like how everyone ignores Beartic. Good luck trying to get that fatty off the field once the lockdown starts.

I've also had little troubles beating it with Reshityphlosion.

Ignatious · 08/15/2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Naki Feralkin

I like how everyone ignores Beartic. Good luck trying to get that fatty off the field once the lockdown starts.

I've also had little troubles beating it with Reshityphlosion.

What else does Beatric help against, though? I'm sure Switch will be in every deck, and in 2's with heavy retreaters anyways. =/

Lehuere · 08/15/2011, 11:29 PM

If you are not running one of the legendary dragons, (including kyruem) your most likely going to battling against one so you should make your decks pretty much focused on that.

yugioh · 08/15/2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ignatious

What else does Beatric help against, though? I'm sure Switch will be in every deck, and in 2's with heavy retreaters anyways. =/

beartic will most likely be paired with vileplume, so they can't use switches and catchers.

ALEXARD · 08/16/2011, 12:22 AM

Red Gyarados can kill plenty of Phanpy with the help of Pkmn Catcher, paired with Pachirisu is gonna be a really fun thing to see.

08/15/2011, 06:28 PM	#8
Shino Bug Master Front Page News Editor	^Unless your testing involved putting a sticker over Lanturn's weakness and hoping to buy off judges, it shouldn't have show anything less than that Donphan OHKO's for 1 energy and Lanturn OHKO's with a Pokepower and 3 energy. Donphan/Zekrom is what i think will roll. Zekrom takes EQ damage like a Champ and doles out the harshness to Yanmega and Tornadoman and both just have a lot of bulk that doesnt need additional set-up and are fast to setup. __________________ Top 8 at States, 3rd Regionals with Kicks from Brixton =D 2009 2nd Regionals with DandyLions :D 2010 Rec: 46-16 w/Vilegar (4 Cities TC, 2 Wins, 10th States, 4th Regs) =] 2011 Top 8 with Gothitelle, Autumn Regionals :] 2011-2012 season 146/400 CP So far!

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08/15/2011, 05:48 PM	#1
MiniWade	There really is no way to stop Donphan after EP is fully released/ I was thinking and I couldn't even come up with a card that can stop it, it will always have a partner to provide back up for unfavorable match ups. Whatever counter you throw won't matter, unless it's just plainly straight donphan which is highly unlikely. Thoughts? __________________ http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=175922 Master: w/ 202 Championship Points! Worlds Competitor '12/4th TCG Nats (2012),1st VGC Regionals (2012),3x Top 8 Provincials (2012),5x 1st City Championship (2012),4x 2nd City Championship (2012/2012),4x Top 4 City Championship (2012),6x 1st BR (2012)

08/15/2011, 06:08 PM	#6
the cheating bidoof	donmega(maybe with a tech) will be BDIF and there will be some attempts at a counter and lets say 1 works, the next tournament the donmega player will tech for the counter and beat it and there are not an infinite # of counters for a deck. __________________ Seniors: 10th at nats 2012+22nd at worlds 2012 in seniors Masters:356 CP so far 3rd at Philly regionals 2013 6th at Virginia regionals 2013

08/15/2011, 06:13 PM	#7
Elite_4_Allen	Donphan is excellent next format, but not the BDIF. Lanturn prime is a very good counter to donphan in my testing. Lanturn prime decks will be very good with the ability to counter the phan. __________________ Tyler A. *9-3: seniors: 2 Championship Points* *Primetime Yanmega/Vileplume* SSBB code: 4855-0003-7807 Team Relick

08/15/2011, 06:30 PM	#9
MiniWade	Donphan one shots it also Donphan one shots zekrom after e'q. __________________ http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=175922 Master: w/ 202 Championship Points! Worlds Competitor '12/4th TCG Nats (2012),1st VGC Regionals (2012),3x Top 8 Provincials (2012),5x 1st City Championship (2012),4x 2nd City Championship (2012/2012),4x Top 4 City Championship (2012),6x 1st BR (2012)

08/15/2011, 07:19 PM	#14
mewbreon	my.... what an thought-provoking thread __________________ signature and stuff street cred's and stuff W/L record and stuff CP and stuff

08/15/2011, 07:19 PM	#15
Ignatious	Reshiram with Typhlosion has a pretty fair match up against donphan. Think about it, Donphan's first attack doesn't OHKO anything, so all of that damage can be Max Potioned, and if the second attack is being prepared for, Catcher for a OHKO. Only downside is set-up, which doesn't appear to be very troublesome.

08/15/2011, 07:27 PM	#16
ZebC	^^^Dang it, my "secret" tech is out of the bag. It fits perfectly in ReshiPhlosion as a mirror tech, because most people run DCE and can be powered up in one turn. I only drop it against the mirror and Donphan, so Zekrom and Magnezone aren't really a problem. Magnezone won't be as big next format with Catcher. It's easy to get out with a high communication count.

08/15/2011, 07:32 PM	#17
wulfboy15 Blog Entries: 1	Either Beartic anyone?

08/15/2011, 08:01 PM	#18
Politoed666	I do expect Donphan to be quite the powerhouse. However, Beartic will provide probably the best counter. Beartic/Vileplume is something I will be feverishly polishing to try and get if working for BRs. Additionally, we have Tornadus, which resists and 2HKOs Donphan for a DCE and a Colorless, along with Kyurem in the next set. While I see Donphan as a threat, I certainly don't see it as invulnerable. __________________ New trade thread for the new year! CML! Also, check out my eBay auctions! T8 HTPC '12 T32 Nats '11 3rd Regs '12 Help Bulbapedia* expand its articles on Pokémon TCG strategy and deck archetypes, past and present!* 2012-2013 season: 4-87, 3 Championship Points, 1435.95

08/15/2011, 09:53 PM	#21
Naki Feralkin	I like how everyone ignores Beartic. Good luck trying to get that fatty off the field once the lockdown starts. I've also had little troubles beating it with Reshityphlosion. __________________ - Pokemon Professor - Northeast Ohio -Team 330 - Let the Sandstorm take you. - Bloom Nobly...Cherry Blossom of Unova..

08/15/2011, 11:29 PM	#23
Lehuere	If you are not running one of the legendary dragons, (including kyruem) your most likely going to battling against one so you should make your decks pretty much focused on that.

08/16/2011, 12:22 AM	#25
ALEXARD	Red Gyarados can kill plenty of Phanpy with the help of Pkmn Catcher, paired with Pachirisu is gonna be a really fun thing to see. Last edited by ALEXARD; 08/16/2011 at 12:28 AM.