Speculative BW: Next Destinies Set List

[vegitalian]

Here is my speculative set list for the upcoming set. Strangely enough, the majority fits into place (excluding 63-73) with Psycho Drive/Hail Blizzard cards, and Reshiram/Zekrom starter decks that have chained evolutions in the set.

From 63-73, I have no idea what to fill in. There's Groudon EX, who's nearly confirmed for the set (one of the full art EX's in the press release), leaving 10 spots. There are 5 2-card evolutions (and Scraggy) making up the other 11, all of which are from Psycho Drive/Hail Blizzard. There are also Riolu and Lucario promos, which were released at the same time. If one of the evolution chains were left out (Mienshao, Weavile, Hippowdon, or Lucario), I have no idea what card would fill in the gap - this is where I need your help.

I've also left a list of remaining cards that didn't make the cut (largely due to incomplete chains, or lack of space).

1. Pinsir no. 127
2. Seedot no. 273
3. Kricketot no. 401
4. Kricketune no. 402
5. Shaymin EX no. 492
6. Pansage no. 511
7. Simisage no. 512
8. Foongus no. 590
9. Amoonguss no. 591
10. Growlithe no. 58
11. Growlithe no. 58
12. Arcanine no. 59
13. Arcanine no. 59
14. Moltres no. 146
15. Pansear no. 513
16. Simisear no. 514
17. Darumaka no. 554
18. Litwick no. 607
19. Lampent no. 608
20. Chandelure no. 609
21. Reshiram no. 643
22. Reshiram EX no. 643
23. Staryu no. 120
24. Starmie no. 121
25. Lapras no. 131
26. Lapras no. 131
27. Articuno no. 144
28. Panpour no. 515
29. Simipour no. 516
30. Basculin
31. Vanillite no. 582
32. Vanillish no. 583
33. Vanilluxe no. 584
34. Frillish no. 592
35. Jellicent no. 593
36. Cubchoo no. 613
37. Beartic no. 614
38. Kyurem EX no. 646
39. Pikachu no. 25
40. Raichu no. 26
41. Zapdos no. 145
42. Shinx no. 403
43. Shinx no. 403
44. Luxio no. 404
45. Luxio no. 404
46. Luxray no. 405
47. Blitzle no. 522
48. Zebstrika no. 523
49. Emolga no. 567
50. Zekrom no. 644
51. Zekrom EX no. 644
52. Grimer no. 88
53. Muk no. 89
54. Mewtwo EX no. 150
55. Ralts no. 280
56. Kirlia no. 281
57. Gardevoir no. 282
58. Munna no. 517
59. Musharna no. 518
60. Darmanitan no. 555
61. Elgyem no. 605
62. Beheeyem no. 606
63. Riolu no. 447
64. Lucario no. 448
65. Hippopotas no. 449
66. Hippowdon no. 450
67. Mienfoo no. 619
68. Mienshao no. 620
69. Sneasel no. 215
70. Weavile no. 461
71. Nuzleaf no. 274
72. Shiftry no. 275
73. Scraggy no. 559
74. Scrafty no. 560
75. Bronzor no. 436
76. Bronzong no. 437
77. Ferroseed no. 597
78. Jigglypuff no. 39
79. Wigglytuff no. 40
80. Meowth no. 54
81. Persian no. 55
82. Regigigas EX no. 486
83. Pidove no. 519
84. Minccino no. 572
85. Cinccino no. 573
86. Cilan
87. EXP Share
88. Heavy Ball
89. Level Ball
90. Pokemon Center
91. Skyarrow Bridge
92. Double Colorless Energy
93. Prism Energy
94. Shaymin EX no. 492
95. Reshiram EX no. 643
96. Kyurem EX no. 646
97. Zekrom EX no. 644
98. Mewtwo EX no. 150
99. Regigigas EX no. 486
Emboar no. 500
Zoroark no. 571
Hydreigon no. 635
Chandelure no. 609

Missing:
Scyther
Basculin (Psycho Drive/Hail Blizzard)
Eevee
Leafeon
Glaceon
Tympole
Palpitoad
Dwebble
Crustle
Tynamo
Ultra Ball
Random Receiver
Cheren (AI)
N (AI)
Professor Juniper (AI)

[AyameHikaru]

Being that Seedot made the list, Nuzleaf & Shiftry seem like a given. Other than that, though, I'm not sure which of the evolution lines will be cut. I guess.... MIENSHAO! (Just because.)

In the gap, there is the Riolu promo that was given away with HBPD. The Lucario was just a different artwork, but the Riolu was a different card. (The one in the set has Punch as its first attack, the promo has Run Around.)

[DragonairMaster8]

I'm still in the camp thinking that Kyogre and Groudon ex have been cut for a full-art Reshiram and Zekrom ex. Here's my list, based on yours, vegitalian.

1. Pinsir no. 127
2. Seedot no. 273
3. Kricketot no. 401
4. Kricketune no. 402
5. Shaymin EX no. 492
6. Pansage no. 511
7. Simisage no. 512
8. Foongus no. 590
9. Amoonguss no. 591
10. Growlithe no. 58
11. Growlithe no. 58
12. Arcanine no. 59
13. Arcanine no. 59
14. Moltres no. 146
15. Pansear no. 513
16. Simisear no. 514
17. Darumaka no. 554
18. Litwick no. 607
19. Lampent no. 608
20. Chandelure no. 609
21. Reshiram no. 643
22. Reshiram EX no. 643
23. Staryu no. 120
24. Starmie no. 121
25. Lapras no. 131
26. Lapras no. 131
27. Articuno no. 144
28. Panpour no. 515
29. Simipour no 516
30. Basculin no. 550
31. Vanillite no. 582
32. Vanillish no. 583
33. Vanilluxe no. 584
34. Frillish no. 592
35. Jellicent no. 593
36. Cubchoo no. 613
37. Beartic no. 614
38. Kyurem EX no. 646
39. Pikachu no. 25
40. Raichu no. 26
41. Zapdos no. 145
42. Shinx no. 403
43. Shinx no. 403
44. Luxio no. 404
45. Luxio no. 404
46. Luxray no. 405
47. Blitzle no. 522
48. Zebstrika no. 523
49. Emolga no. 567
50. Zekrom no. 644
51. Zekrom EX no. 644
52. Grimer no. 88
53. Muk no. 89
54. Mewtwo EX no. 150
55. Ralts no. 280
56. Kirlia no. 281
57. Gardevoir no. 282
58. Munna no. 517
59. Musharna no. 518
60. Darmanitan no. 555
61. Elgyem no. 605
62. Beheeyem no. 606
63. Riolu no. 447
64. Lucario no. 448
65. Hippopotas no. 449
66. Hippowdon no. 450
67. Mienfoo no. 619
68. Mienshao no. 620
69. Sneasel no. 215
70. Nuzleaf no. 274
71. Shiftry no. 275
72. Weavile no. 461
73. Scraggy no. 559
74. Scrafty no. 560
75. Bronzor no. 436
76. Bronzong no. 437
77. Ferroseed no. 597
78. Jigglypuff no. 39
79. Wigglytuff no. 40
80. Meowth no. 54
81. Persian no. 55
82. Regigigas EX no. 486
83. Pidove no. 519
84. Minccino no. 572
85. Cinccino no. 573
86. Cilan
87. EXP Share
88. Heavy Ball
89. Level Ball
90. Pokemon Center
91. Skyarrow Bridge
92. Double Colorless Energy
93. Prism Energy
94. Shaymin EX
95. Reshiram EX
96. Kyurem EX
97. Zekrom EX
98. Mewtwo EX
99. Regigigas EX
Emboar
Zoroark
Hydreigon
Chandelure

I just feel like if Groudon and Kyogre were going to be in the set, we would have seen or heard about them by now. But the lack of them on the pack art and in the press releases makes me feel that they will be cut to go along with the Rayquaza ex we will presumably get when we get the Dragon stuff later. (Not based on Ruby/Sapphire remakes, just because they don't usually break up legendaries over here). Also, Groudon's removal makes 63-73 work in this list.

[Maverick Nate]

If the English do the same as Japan does, they disregard dex numbers in regards to inter-generational evolutionary families. SoulSilver Collection had Pichu before Pikachu and Raichu. It is highly possible that Sneasel and Weavile will be next to each other. We've just never had a situation like this before to know for sure.

[vegitalian]

With the new info (Lucario's confired set no.) I believe Dragonairmaster is correct. The list has been updated with new cards released on Pokemon.com.

[Charizard3712]

No love for Ultra Ball?

[Rozureido]

With the confirmation of Groudon-EX being held back (and assuming that means Kyogre has been too), I am very excited to see our English exclusive (for now anyway) Zekrom EX and Reshiram EX full art cards. Pre-release can't come soon enough.

[King Piplup]

Originally Posted by Rozureido

With the confirmation of Groudon-EX being held back (and assuming that means Kyogre has been too), I am very excited to see our English exclusive (for now anyway) Zekrom EX and Reshiram EX full art cards. Pre-release can't come soon enough.

There's actually been confirmation of that?

[vegitalian]

Originally Posted by King Piplup

There's actually been confirmation of that?

Unless they bump Riolu for Groudon EX (with a Lucario in the set), it's confirmed. They also said 6 full art EX's, which would confirm reshi/zekrom EX.

[Shishio]

They said 8 EXs in all doesnt it? Am I missing something?

[vegitalian]

Originally Posted by Shishio

They said 8 EXs in all doesnt it? Am I missing something?

They never said 8 - "Trainers will battle like never before with awesomely powerful Pokémon, including two versions of six different Pokémon-EX!"

[King Piplup]

I still think they'll be there. Not sure where, but I think it'll happen.


Posted with Mobile style...

[Rozureido]

Originally Posted by King Piplup

I still think they'll be there. Not sure where, but I think it'll happen.


Posted with Mobile style...

Only way that could work with the new set numbering system is if Groudon and Kyogre are released as Full Art cards only.

Although if they don't want to split legendary groups apart then April's set is going to be a big mix of EXs from Dark Rush, Hail Blizzard, Psycho Drive, Dragon Blade, Dragon Burst and possibly a 6th Japanese BW set. (assuming Dragon Selection contains no EXs), since all other known EXs at this point (excluding Darkrai) are members of various trios.

Speculation Based on absolutely no evidence:

April EXs: Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza (in BW5), Entei, Suicune(probably in BW5), Raikou, Darkrai, Random other non-connected legendary from BW5 or 6

[yankeezone13]

Originally Posted by vegitalian

They never said 8 - "Trainers will battle like never before with awesomely powerful Pokémon, including two versions of six different Pokémon-EX!"

This is true, but since Japan doesn't have Full Art versions of Reshiram EX and Zekrom EX, and they are confirmed for this set, unless we get FA's before Japan(which would be awesome but highly unlikely), then Kyogre and Groudon will be in this set as regular EX's and FA's while Zekrom and Reshiram will be only regular EX's.

[Tash]

Originally Posted by yankeezone13

This is true, but since Japan doesn't have Full Art versions of Reshiram EX and Zekrom EX, and they are confirmed for this set, unless we get FA's before Japan(which would be awesome but highly unlikely), then Kyogre and Groudon will be in this set as regular EX's and FA's while Zekrom and Reshiram will be only regular EX's.

The other two EX might also be something from later sets. They might toss Raikou/Tornadus in just to get them out of the way.

[TheRolesWePlay]

Originally Posted by yankeezone13

This is true, but since Japan doesn't have Full Art versions of Reshiram EX and Zekrom EX, and they are confirmed for this set, unless we get FA's before Japan(which would be awesome but highly unlikely), then Kyogre and Groudon will be in this set as regular EX's and FA's while Zekrom and Reshiram will be only regular EX's.

Actually things like that aren't too unheard of. For instance we got alternate art of Garchomp C, Rayquaza C, Charizard G, and Darkrai lv Xs in the past, sure as tin promos it still isn't unheard of, especially since Emerging Powers featured cards not featured in Japan at the time. Also considering the fact that all of the other EXs have Full Arts for the sake of consistency Reshiram and Zekrom EXs getting Full Arts would make sense.

[Joai]

I'd prefer Groudon EX lol...Reshi and Zekrom are terrible....

[Jahikoi]

zekrom and reshiram aren't really, really good; but they can one shot basically everything including chandelures, and creatures protected with vileplume and reuniclus

[TheRolesWePlay]

I don't really see how you could call Zekrom EX bad. It's basically Reshiram only better in basically every way. (More HP, more damage, discards unspecific energy), and has support that's just as good as Reshi's. Reshi EX's drawback does limit it, but it also does a significant amount of damage that can cripple most Pokemon in the format.

[bullados]

Originally Posted by TheRolesWePlay

I don't really see how you could call Zekrom EX bad. It's basically Reshiram only better in basically every way. (More HP, more damage, discards unspecific energy), and has support that's just as good as Reshi's. Reshi EX's drawback does limit it, but it also does a significant amount of damage that can cripple most Pokemon in the format.

The reason Reshi is gamebreaking is because it has both Typhlosion and Emboar as backup; cards that can attach energy to the Active position.

Zekrom does not have that. You need to load it up on energy (probably 6-7), spend your turn attachment on it every turn, and power a replacement with Eelektrik.

Zekrom EX is a good card. It's not as good as Reshiram because of the support available to both cards.

[vakundekel]

Full art Zekrom EX and Reshiram EX are in the set.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/40199511.jpg/

[TheRolesWePlay]

Originally Posted by bullados

The reason Reshi is gamebreaking is because it has both Typhlosion and Emboar as backup; cards that can attach energy to the Active position.

Zekrom does not have that. You need to load it up on energy (probably 6-7), spend your turn attachment on it every turn, and power a replacement with Eelektrik.

Zekrom EX is a good card. It's not as good as Reshiram because of the support available to both cards.

Difference in opinion there I guess, but my point was neither of them are horrible cards, but for some reason some people think that they are.

Also those FAs are looking nice.

[bullados]

And we just got confirmation. Gardy looks to be 52 or 57. Shiftry looks like an 73. Skyarrow looks like 91. Of course, others can probably see these far better than I...

[Frost]

Originally Posted by Maverick Nate

If the English do the same as Japan does, they disregard dex numbers in regards to inter-generational evolutionary families. SoulSilver Collection had Pichu before Pikachu and Raichu. It is highly possible that Sneasel and Weavile will be next to each other. We've just never had a situation like this before to know for sure.

Looks like you basically called it, now that we know Shiftry is 72 and Scrafty is 74.

[Water Pokemon Master]

Originally Posted by bullados

And we just got confirmation. Gardy looks to be 52 or 57. Shiftry looks like an 73. Skyarrow looks like 91. Of course, others can probably see these far better than I...

The numbers are in the original file names, so the ones in the story are correct.