Speculative BW: Dark Explorers Set List

[vegitalian]

Based on the set announcement, and all outstanding Dark Rush, Reshiram/Zekrom Starter Decks, and promo cards that relate to the set, I have compiled a speculative list for Dark Explorers. Please let me know if I've missed anything, and I will keep this updated as cards are revealed.

1. Bulbasaur no. 1
2. Ivysaur no. 2
3. Venusaur no. 3
4. Scyther no. 123
5. Carnivine no. 455
6. Leafeon no. 470
7. Dwebble no. 557
8. Crustle no. 558
9. Karrablast no. 588
10. Shelmet no. 616
11. Accelgor no. 617
12. Flareon no. 136
13. Entei EX
14. Torchic no. 255
15. Torchic no. 255
16. Combusken no. 256
17. Blaziken no. 257
18. Torkoal
19. Heatmor no. 631
20. Larvesta no. 636
21. Larvesta no. 636
22. Volcarona no. 637
23. Slowpoke no. 79
24. Slowbro no. 80
25. Vaporeon no. 134
26. Kyogre EX
27. Piplup no. 393
28. Prinplup no. 394
29. Empoleon no. 395
30. Glaceon no. 471
31. Tympole no. 535
32. Palpitoad no. 536
33. Ducklett no. 580
34. Swanna no. 581
35. Vanillite no. 582
36. Vanillish no. 583
37. Jolteon no. 135
38. Raikou EX
39. Joltik no. 595
40. Joltik no. 595
41. Galvantula no. 596
42. Tynamo no. 602
43. Tynamo no. 602
44. Eelektik no. 603
45. Eelektross no. 604
46. Espeon no. 196
47. Slowking no. 199
48. Woobat no. 527
49. Yamask no. 562
50. Cofagrigus no. 563
51. Elgyem
52. Beheeyem
53. Aerodactyl no. 142
54. Groudon EX
55. Drilbur no. 529
56. Excadrill no. 530
57. Excadrill no. 530
58. Timburr no. 532
59. Gurdurr no. 533
60. Umbreon no. 197
61. Umbreon no. 197
62. Sableye no. 302
63. Darkrai EX
64. Sandile no. 551
65. Krokorok no. 552
66. Krookodile no. 553
67. Scraggy no. 559
68. Scrafty no. 560
69. Zorua no. 570
70. Zorua no. 570
71. Zoroark no. 571
72. Bisharp no. 625
73. Vullaby no. 629
74. Escavalier no. 589
75. Klink no. 599
76. Klang no. 600
77. KlingKlang no. 601
78. Pawniard no. 624
79. Bisharp no. 625
80. Chansey no. 111
81. Chansey no. 111
82. Blissey no. 242
83. Eevee no. 133
84. Eevee no. 133
85. Eevee no. 133
86. Chatot no. 441
87. Lillipup no. 506
88. Herdier no. 507
89. Stoutland no. 508
90. Tornadus EX
91. Cheren
92. Dark Claw
93. Dark Patch
94. Hammer Crash
95. Hooligans Jimu and Sabu
96. N
97. Old Amber
98. Professor Juniper
99. Random Receiver
100. Rare Candy
101. Twist Mountain
102. Ultra Ball
103. Entei EX (FA)
104. Kyogre EX (FA)
105. Raikou EX (FA)
106. Groudon EX (FA)
107. Darkrai EX (FA)
108. Tornadus EX (FA)
109. Gardevoir (Shiny)
110. Archeops (Shiny)
111. Pokemon Catcher (Shiny)

[King Piplup]

Do we know it's /99 again? I'll laugh since it said "over 100" and it would be 99 non-secret again. Looks good to me otherwise.

[Raen]

I really don't think we'll get the Cheren, N, or Juniper reprints. I don't really have any good basis for this, it's just my feeling on the subject.

[Frost]

I have doubts that they'll put both of the Zekrom/Reshiram EX Deck Eevee cards into this set, mostly because they have the same attacks and the only difference is the picture. We also got Dark Rush's Swoobat and Mandibuzz already - they are the ones in Emerging Powers. There's only one Sandile/Krokorok in Japan that we haven't gotten in English yet, too - the promo versions are of the same cards in Dark Rush. Even the artwork is the same. Umbreon and Volcarona are alternate artwork reprints and they generally don't put those in the same English set as the originals, either.

There are also a dozen cards from the Tornadus/Thundurus set that I think they'll put into Dark Explorers - they are Torchic, Torkoal, Vanillite, Vanillish, Joltik, Timburr, Gurdurr, Scraggy, Scrafty, Pawniard, Bisharp and Chatot.

If you drop the Juniper, Cheren, N, Switch, Umbreon and Volcarona reprints, along with the Eevee, Sandile, Krokorok, Swoobat and Mandibuzz, that leaves just enough space to incorporate those 12 cards and still fit the "over 100 cards" line from the sell sheet. I hope since Lillipup is in Dark Rush, they'll add the lost Lillipup from the Battle Strength Decks into Dark Explorers, too...

[AyameHikaru]

The Swoobat has already seen English release, unless it's one I'm not aware of.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Forst!

[Frost]

My prediction:
-GRASS (1-11): Bulbasaur/Ivysaur/Venusaur, Scyther, Carnivine, Leafeon, Dwebble/Crustle, Karrablast, Shelmet, Accelgor
-FIRE (12-21): Flareon, Torkoal, Torchic x2/Combusken/Blaziken, Heatmor, Larvesta x2/Volcarona
-WATER (22-35): Slowpoke/Slowbro, Vaporeon, Kyogre-EX, Piplup/Prinplup/Empoleon, Glaceon, Tympole/Palpitoad, Ducklett/Swanna, Vanillite/Vanillish
-LIGHTNING (36-46): Jolteon, Raikou-EX, Plusle, Minun, Joltik x2/Galvantula, Tynamo x2/Eelektrik/Eelektross
-PSYCHIC (47-51): Espeon, Slowking, Woobat, Yamask, Cofagrigus
-FIGHTING (52-58): Aerodactyl, Groudon-EX, Timburr/Gurdurr, Drilbur/Excadrill x2
-DARKNESS (59-68): Umbreon, Sableye, Darkrai-EX, Sandile/Krokorok/Krookodile, Zorua x2/Zoroark, Vullaby
-METAL (69-74): Escavalier, Klink/Klang/Klinklang, Pawniard/Bisharp
-COLORLESS (75-85): Chansey x2/Blissey, Eevee x2, Chatot, Lillipup x2/Herdier/Stoutland, Tornadus-EX
-TSS (86-94): Crash Hammer, Dark Patch, Darkness Claw, Hooligans (AKA Jimu/Sabu), Old Amber, Random Receiver, Rare Candy, Twist Mountain, Ultra Ball
-EX FA (95-100): Entei, Kyogre, Raikou, Groudon, Darkrai, Tornadus
-Shiny (101-103): Gardevoir, Archeops, Pokemon Catcher

[Tash]

83. Bad Team's Jimu and Sabu

This still makes me mad every time I see it. Every other card based on something in the games is always called by it's localized name, except this one. (they're called "Hooligans Jim and Caz" in the American games)

[DanthePokeMan]

I think it might be hard to determine what will be in this set as of now. Japan is getting more promo cards in March which includes some of the Pokemon in this set like Bulbasaur and Empoleon.

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/media/upl...BWPromo125.jpg

[King Piplup]

Originally Posted by vegitalian

83. Bad Team's Jimu and Sabu
84. Cheren
85. Crash Hammer
86. Dark Patch
87. Darkness Claw
88. N
89. Old Amber
90. Professor Juniper
91. Random Receiver
92. Rare Candy
93. Twist Mountain
94. Ultra Ball

I could be wrong, but I thought ALL supporters went before Items and whatnot. This could be wrong though.

[espeon200]

Originally Posted by King Piplup

I could be wrong, but I thought ALL supporters went before Items and whatnot. This could be wrong though.

Nope. Trainers are sorted alphabetically whether they are item, supporter, or stadium. Look at the setlist for Noble Victories for confirmation.

[King Piplup]

Originally Posted by espeon200

Nope. Trainers are sorted alphabetically whether they are item, supporter, or stadium. Look at the setlist for Noble Victories for confirmation.

Yup, just saw that. Just was a coincidence in NEX that that Cilan was first and the Stadiums last.

(My face has seen nothing but NEX in sorting the past few days)

[Frost]

Via Maverick Nate/Bulbapedia:

Umbreon - 60
Darkrai-EX - 63
Zoroark - 71

In my list above, I had Umbreon 59, Darkrai-EX 61 and Zoroark 67... looks like we could be getting either some new cards or some early Dragon Blade/Blast cards! Although not very many, since Dark Rush + the Zekrom/Reshiram decks + the Tornadus/Thundurus gift set + Groudon-EX/Kyogre-EX and their full arts is 107 cards, although that is including the three shinies that will probably be secret rares again.

[vegitalian]

I've made several changes:

• Fixed the list to align with the 3 revealed cards
• Added Joltik and Torchic from the Tornadus Collection (since their lines are already going to be in the set, presumably)
• Removed Mandibuzz
• Added March promos

[Maverick Nate]

Originally Posted by vegitalian

I've made several changes:

• Fixed the list to align with the 3 revealed cards
• Added Joltik and Torchic from the Tornadus Collection (since their lines are already going to be in the set, presumably)
• Removed Mandibuzz
• Added March promos

The set is going to be out of 108, and the secret shiny cards will be above that: 109, 110, and 111.

[vegitalian]

Originally Posted by Maverick Nate

The set is going to be out of 108, and the secret shiny cards will be above that: 109, 110, and 111.

Good call, sir! Edited.

[Maverick Nate]

Originally Posted by vegitalian

Good call, sir! Edited.

What things did you add in?

[vegitalian]

Originally Posted by Maverick Nate

What things did you add in?

Pawniard, Bisharp, and Chatot (all from Tornadus box)

---------- Post added 03/15/2012 at 04:25 PM ----------

With the release of the pack art, I've included Scraggy & Scrafty from the Thundurus 1/2 decks, and taken out the duplicates of Sandile/Krokorok since they're the same as the ones in Dark Rush.

[otarolgam]

Whoever called 108 cards in the set is a genius!

[ExoByte]

Originally Posted by otarolgam

Whoever called 108 cards in the set is a genius!

Thanks, I felt it was a solid number.

[Frost]

After reviewing the cards we know, I think vegitalian's current list will be pretty close to what we get, unless they slip in a couple of unrevealed BW-P promos or something. I keep trying to force Vanillite, Vanillish, Timburr and Gurdurr into the mix, but they would only fit if the BW-P Bulbasaur, Empoleon, Excadrill and Volcarona prints are removed.

But speaking of Volcarona, I doubt it will be in the set twice. I know we had Pidove and Patrat that were reprints of BW1 cards in Emerging Powers, but have they ever included the same card twice in an English set, with the only difference being alternate artwork? So perhaps one of Bulbasaur/Empoleon/Excadrill will be BW promos and then there'd be enough room for Vanillite/ish or Timburr/Gurdurr.

Two of the three Eevee cards have the same problem as Volcarona. A possible fix for Eevee would be to substitute in Battle Strength Lillipup, or BW-P reprint Bianca.

[otarolgam]

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Thanks, I felt it was a solid number.

Now I feel like an idiot. xD

[Ken_the_Turtle]

Is it possible to get the sets/decks listed that these cards come from, instead of pokedex number, because that is kind of a useless bit of info.

And currently what you have is a wall of names some of which are multiples.

It'd just make it easier to read/reference :) thanks

[Frost]

I took the list in the first post and added the Japanese sets/numbers:

Originally Posted by vegitalian

1. Bulbasaur - Dark Rush 1
2. Bulbasaur - BW-P Promo 124
3. Ivysaur - Dark Rush 2
4. Venusaur - Dark Rush 3
5. Scyther - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 1
6. Carnivine - Dark Rush 4
7. Leafeon - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 2
8. Dwebble - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 3
9. Crustle - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 4
10. Karrablast - Dark Rush 5
11. Shelmet - Dark Rush 6
12. Accelgor - Dark Rush 7
13. Flareon - Dark Rush 8
14. Entei EX - Dark Rush 9
15. Torchic - Dark Rush 10
16. Torchic - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 1
17. Combusken - Dark Rush 11
18. Blaziken - Dark Rush 12
19. Torkoal - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 2
20. Heatmor - Dark Rush 13
21. Larvesta - Dark Rush 14
22. Larvesta - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 3
23. Volcarona - Dark Rush 15
24. Volcarona - BW-P Promo 119
25. Slowpoke - Dark Rush 16
26. Slowbro - Dark Rush 17
27. Vaporeon - Dark Rush 18
28. Kyogre EX - Psycho Drive 15
29. Piplup - Dark Rush 19
30. Prinplup - Dark Rush 20
31. Empoleon - Dark Rush 21
32. Empoleon - BW-P Promo 125
33. Glaceon - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 6
34. Tympole - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 7
35. Palpitoad - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 8
36. Ducklett - Dark Rush 22
37. Swanna - Dark Rush 23
38. Jolteon - Dark Rush 24
39. Raikou EX - Dark Rush 25
40. Plusle - Dark Rush 26
41. Minun - Dark Rush 27
42. Joltik - Dark Rush 28
43. Joltik - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 5
44. Galvantula - Dark Rush 29
45. Tynamo - Dark Rush 30
46. Tynamo - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 8
47. Eelektik - Dark Rush 31
48. Eelektross - Dark Rush 32
49. Espeon - Dark Rush 33
50. Slowking - Dark Rush 34
51. Woobat - Dark Rush 35
52. Yamask - Dark Rush 37
53. Cofagrigus - Dark Rush 38
54. Elgyem - BW-P Promo 126
55. Aerodactyl - Dark Rush 39
56. Groudon EX - Hail Blizzard 32
57. Drilbur - Dark Rush 40
58. Excadrill - Dark Rush 41
59. Excadrill - BW-P Promo 118
60. Umbreon - Dark Rush 42
61. Umbreon - BW-P Promo 115
62. Sableye - Dark Rush 43
63. Darkrai EX - Dark Rush 44
64. Sandile - Dark Rush 45
65. Krokorok - Dark Rush 46
66. Krookodile - Dark Rush 47
67. Scraggy - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 9
68. Scrafty - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 10
69. Zorua - Dark Rush 48
70. Zorua - BW-P Promo 116
71. Zoroark - Dark Rush 49
72. Vullaby - Dark Rush 50
73. Escavalier - Dark Rush 52
74. Klink - Dark Rush 53
75. Klang - Dark Rush 54
76. Klingklang - Dark Rush 55
77. Pawniard - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 11
78. Bisharp - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 12
79. Jigglypuff - BW-P Promo 127
80. Chansey - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 9
81. Chansey - Dark Rush 56
82. Blisse - Dark Rush 57
83. Eevee - Zekrom-EX Battle Strength Deck 10
84. Eevee - Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Deck 10
85. Eevee - Dark Rush 58
86. Chatot - Thundurus vs. Tornadus Battle Gift Set 13
87. Lillipup - Dark Rush 59
88. Herdier - Dark Rush 60
89. Stoutland - Dark Rush 61
90. Tornadus EX - Dark Rush 62
91. Chere - Zekrom/Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Decks 17
92. Crash Hammer - Dark Rush 63
93. Dark Patch - Dark Rush 64
94. Darkness Claw - Dark Rush 67
95. Hooligans Jim and Cas - Dark Rush 68
96. N - Zekrom/Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Decks 16
97. Old Amber - Dark Rush 66
98. Professor Juniper - Zekrom/Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Decks 15
99. Random Receiver - Zekrom/Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Decks 14
100. Rare Candy - Dark Rush 65
101. Twist Mountain - Dark Rush 69
102. Ultra Ball - Zekrom/Reshiram-EX Battle Strength Decks 11
103. Entei EX (FA) - Dark Rush 70
104. Kyogre EX (FA) - Psycho Drive 54
105. Raikou EX (FA) - Dark Rush 71
106. Groudon EX (FA) - Hail Blizzard 54
107. Darkrai EX (FA) - Dark Rush 72
108. Tornadus EX (FA) - Dark Rush 73
109. Gardevoir (Shiny) - Dark Rush 74
110. Archeops (Shiny) - Dark Rush 75
111. Pokemon Catcher (Shiny) - Dark Rush 76

[Ken_the_Turtle]

Very much appreciated, thank you

Though I find it unlikely N, Juniper and Cheren will be reprinted...

[King Piplup]

Originally Posted by Ken_the_Turtle

Very much appreciated, thank you

Though I find it unlikely N, Juniper and Cheren will be reprinted...

If anything, I'll think they'll save them for the next useless reprint set.


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