LBS counter - Page 2

The Gorn · 02/27/2006, 07:30 PM

Magcargo UF is both Fire and Fighting (if Fighting Energy is attached).

Steelix EX is weak to both Fighting and Fire.

Doesn't the damage double, then double again?

So Magcargo with a DRE on it ([2R] Extra Flame (40+) If the Defending Pokemon is Pokemon-ex, this attack does 40 damage plus 30 more damage. ) would do 60 damage, double for Fire weakness to 120, then double against for Fighting weakness to 240. Right?

How about combining that with Grumpig DX ([2P] Extra Ball (50+) If the Defending Pokemon is Pokemon-ex, this attack does 50 damage plus 30 more damage. ) to 1-hit KO the Lugia?

Tech in a 2-2 Lanturn line to 1-shot KO the Blasty if it comes up, and you've got a nasty little 4 corners going.

Throw in some EXP All to keep the energy flowing and I like your chances.

ryanvergel · 02/27/2006, 08:26 PM

Too bad 4 corners folds to the rest of the format, even if it did work against LBS.

*charking* · 02/27/2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ryanvergel

Too bad 4 corners folds to the rest of the format, even if it did work against LBS.

Kinda like rock/paper/scissors.

4 Corners beats LBS, LBS beats everything else, and everything else beats 4 Corners.

Zacharyfoo · 02/28/2006, 01:20 AM

I think an LM muk swarm with weezing DS and cused ruins might work

SLOW DECK · 02/28/2006, 07:30 AM

Honestly,

Deck doesn't work without Blastois EX

What ever counter or strategy you employ, take down Blastois, BF Pidgeot.

*Articjedi* · 02/28/2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Zacharyfoo

I think an LM muk swarm with weezing DS and cused ruins might work

BLS does run counter gyms...
Then all they need to do is drop a blastoise and ko the muks faster than you can rebuild them.

*Moss Factor* · 02/28/2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by charking

Kinda like rock/paper/scissors.

4 Corners beats LBS, LBS beats everything else, and everything else beats 4 Corners.

That 4 Corners deck doesn't beat LBS, and LBS doesn't beat everything else.

If you deploy a Magcargo UF vs. Steelix ex, first off its going to have to be using Scramble on it, not DRE. Because as soon as you drop Slugma, its getting picked off on the bench. So you'll need RC + Slugma + Magcargo UF + Scramble at one time. Not impossible, but when Steelix ex is OHKOing everything in sight, you're going to have to get it going fast.

Second of all, if you DO take down Steelix ex, it gets Clutched by Pidgeot. Now it can't retreat (Clutch) or attack (its now fighting and Pidgeot resists). Either that happens then LBS sweeps with something else, OR LBS simply leads with ANOTHER Steelix ex, and I don't see you taking down 2 of them.

Worst of all, LBS is one of the few decks that can attack your bench, and I'm pretty sure I'd go for all the EXP.ALLed pokemon to render that card useless.

The fact of the matter is, I don't think a 4-corners deck has ever won a single tournament, ever. Not even in league, not even against whomever Lurili played to get his 10,394-58 record, not in any situation, ever. No 4-corners deck has or will ever win anything, period.

*BROCKS TWIN* · 02/28/2006, 09:52 AM

For LBS all I have to say is Typhlosion/Weezing thx for the 2 for 1. To many ex's.

Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:

For LBS all I have to say is Typhlosion/Weezing thx for the 2 for 1. Too many ex's.

ryanvergel · 02/28/2006, 10:16 AM

The only time LBS brings up an ex is to take a prize. So, your weezing isn't getting a 2 for 1.

Example:
Steelix becomes active, sacks a pidgeot. 1 prize
Weezing becomes active, liability. 2 prizes for Liability, 1 for LBS.
Prizes are even, LBS gained 2, liability gained 2.
Steelix sacked a stage 1 and an important stage 2. Liability sacked a stage 1 that isn't missed that much.
Now it's back to LBS. They can lugia you, blastoise you(if you dont have an FF) or steelix you(you lack a root and took ten, OHKO range).
Now it's 3 prizes to 2, with LBS having taken a lot of key players out.

The thing is, LBS will be sacking pidgeot off the bat, then when you sack their steelix, they can sack your typhlosion.
They'll have lost a steelix, you'll have lost 2 stage 2s and a stage 1. Good trade.

*Professor_Chris* · 02/28/2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BROCKS TWIN

For LBS all I have to say is Typhlosion/Weezing thx for the 2 for 1. To many ex's.

Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:

For LBS all I have to say is Typhlosion/Weezing thx for the 2 for 1. Too many ex's.

Here's how I'm pretty sure it would go:
Lugia KOs active Typhlo
Weezing kamikazis and sends up 2nd Typhlo. (2 for 2, no advantage)
At this point it depends on set up.
They may send up Steelix, Admin, and kill the Pidgeot.
Or they may send up another Lugia and kill the active Typhlosion.
If by some act of God you can get another Weezing active and Typlo on the bench you can trade off and tie off the game, but now your Typhlo has 100 HP left. It's officially Steelix bait. Or, if there is no Fire and Holon FF attached, they can send up Blastoise, dropping them to 1 prize and you can't use Weezing anymore.
GG :D All you'll ever be able to do is trade off with them if they play right. As long as they don't let an EX be killed by Typhlosion without killing at least two things first they shouldn't ever fall behind. Liability's one weakness is that it can't ever fall behind and hope to beat an opponent with a good set up.

[EDIT]Ryan beat me to it. :x I started out with taking out Typhlosion with Lugia to force the tie situation. But, if killing the Pidgeot completely cripples them as your first prize then that is obviously worth it.[/EDIT]

*JokerBoi* · 02/28/2006, 11:45 AM

Steelix ex? When I first played a LBS I didnt even know it played steelix because I thought it was some Lugia ex gawd deck that some brilliant person thought of. I have never played an lbs that used steelix for the majority of the game that wasnt KO'ed as soon as they send it up steelix is good but a good player knows how to work around snipers. Also, I think LBS should be changed to LBP because they only thing that makes the deck is really is Blastoise and more or less pidgeot lugia is the best attacker IMO and then steelix ex is used for sniping. But to take out LBS all you have to do is get a good ATM off on blasty and pidgeot, lock them into a desert ruins or bf with houndoom, Spread a little damage with Rock-lock. The deck is good but, I definatly dont see it winning ALOT(i said alot) of states at all this talk is reminding me of that amazingly long SMP thread and who is playing SMP now?

ryanvergel · 02/28/2006, 12:00 PM

I use Steelix a lot more than lugia. 100 damage is usually all that is needed for a lot of KOs. I also find sniping the pidgeot or cargo right off the bat is critical to winning.

*Moss Factor* · 02/28/2006, 12:06 PM

There is no broken deck in this format that the pulbic knows about ;)

*BROCKS TWIN* · 02/28/2006, 08:22 PM

Why is it both examples above have LBS taking first prize? If liability takes first prize especially if ex advantage liability. You have to get to much stuff out to start attacking with Steelix. You have to first get out your blastoise and Steelix line. Then search for magneton or electrode.

I believe it was said above if you dont let them take an ex with typhlo. Last time I checked Steelix was weak to fire. Thyplo takes Steelix ex, advantage liability. But also as stated above it depends on set up for both and a little luck.

*Professor_Chris* · 02/28/2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BROCKS TWIN

Why is it both examples above have LBS taking first prize? If liability takes first prize especially if ex advantage liability. You have to get to much stuff out to start attacking with Steelix. You have to first get out your blastoise and Steelix line. Then search for magneton or electrode.

I believe it was said above if you dont let them take an ex with typhlo. Last time I checked Steelix was weak to fire. Thyplo takes Steelix ex, advantage liability. But also as stated above it depends on set up for both and a little luck.

If they take first prize it will be a Jirachi. So, it doesn't matter. It just means they won't be able to Scramble the whole game and make it easier for you.

PokeMontoya · 02/28/2006, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor_Chris

If they take first prize it will be a Jirachi. So, it doesn't matter. It just means they won't be able to Scramble the whole game and make it easier for you.

not if they get out LM Bel and then pop Blastoise then your up the ever famous creek without the ever famous paddle

*Professor_Chris* · 02/28/2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PokeMontoya

not if they get out LM Bel and then pop Blastoise then your up the ever famous creek without the ever famous paddle

Show me a Typhlo Liability that runs the new Bel and I'll show you a person who will never win a tourney. :D

As for Acid Liability. Jirachi>Everything in the deck. All you have to do is just not play Blastoise until your Steelix is ready to pick off the LM 'Bel.

[EDIT] Also, just picking off Koffings before they can do anything with Steelix is pretty much a sure-fire way to win as well. [/EDIT]

*Muk Man* · 02/28/2006, 09:25 PM

Ninetailes counters LBS! 2 ninetalis will take out the whole deck

PokeMontoya · 02/28/2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Muk Man

Ninetailes counters LBS! 2 ninetalis will take out the whole deck

and like they said 5,000,000 times Wartortle OHKO's ninetales

*Professor_Chris* · 02/28/2006, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muk Man

Ninetailes counters LBS! 2 ninetalis will take out the whole deck

1 Wartortle>43248327401278430 Ninetails.

[EDIT] LOL 3 nigh simultanious posts. :D [/EDIT]

A.Threatz · 02/28/2006, 09:32 PM

People don't bash me for this is just a thought...

Cradily LM... It probably takes just as much time for Cradily to get setup as LBS does. However Cradily completely destroying that 4 turn setup seems like that would suck a alot. 2/1/2 Blastoise??? If 1 is prized and u keep reacting the other, I'm forseeing an autoloss. Cradily with a couple of disruption cards could actually pose a slight problem, right?

Cradily>LBS
Lbs>Most of the Format
Most of the Format>Cradily

Rock/Paper/Scissors

Cradily with Ninetales to tech beat ZRE...

*Muk Man* · 02/28/2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PokeMontoya

and like they said 5,000,000 times Wartortle OHKO's ninetales

Ninetails+Holon FF>LBS and same with Typhlosion.

Lugia is LBS only hope against typhlosion and if weezing takes out lugia, it's a wrap.

and what if i dont have holon FF...

So now im playing an LBS deck that wont evolve blastoise because they are scared of Ninetails...

you cant have it both ways LBS or LWS...and what deck cant ohko a wartortle? and when that one

wartortle is gone... how will you power up steelix? and if you do... hello ninetails

*charking* · 02/28/2006, 10:21 PM

Steelix don't have to aim for the active, so it'll hit Ninetails's teammates, even if 'tails is 2HKOing Steelix.

*spazcrackers* · 02/28/2006, 10:41 PM

and what happens if they play all of that energy to a benched pokemon then retreat or swtich,end of story.

V cacturne's body doesn't prevent attachment of energy to benched pokemon mister muk guy (rolls eyes)

*Muk Man* · 02/28/2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by spazcrackers

and what happens if they play all of that energy to a benched pokemon then retreat or swtich,end of story.

huh???

02/27/2006, 07:30 PM	#26
The Gorn Blog Entries: 1	Magcargo UF is both Fire and Fighting (if Fighting Energy is attached). Steelix EX is weak to both Fighting and Fire. Doesn't the damage double, then double again? So Magcargo with a DRE on it ([2R] Extra Flame (40+) If the Defending Pokemon is Pokemon-ex, this attack does 40 damage plus 30 more damage. ) would do 60 damage, double for Fire weakness to 120, then double against for Fighting weakness to 240. Right? How about combining that with Grumpig DX ([2P] Extra Ball (50+) If the Defending Pokemon is Pokemon-ex, this attack does 50 damage plus 30 more damage. ) to 1-hit KO the Lugia? Tech in a 2-2 Lanturn line to 1-shot KO the Blasty if it comes up, and you've got a nasty little 4 corners going. Throw in some EXP All to keep the energy flowing and I like your chances. __________________ The Pokemon Fraternity - Epsilon Epsilon Epsilon Epsilon Epsilon Epsilon Epsilon Kappa (Eeeeeeek)

02/27/2006, 08:26 PM	#27
ryanvergel Images: 1	Too bad 4 corners folds to the rest of the format, even if it did work against LBS. __________________ r

02/28/2006, 10:16 AM	#34
ryanvergel Images: 1	The only time LBS brings up an ex is to take a prize. So, your weezing isn't getting a 2 for 1. Example: Steelix becomes active, sacks a pidgeot. 1 prize Weezing becomes active, liability. 2 prizes for Liability, 1 for LBS. Prizes are even, LBS gained 2, liability gained 2. Steelix sacked a stage 1 and an important stage 2. Liability sacked a stage 1 that isn't missed that much. Now it's back to LBS. They can lugia you, blastoise you(if you dont have an FF) or steelix you(you lack a root and took ten, OHKO range). Now it's 3 prizes to 2, with LBS having taken a lot of key players out. The thing is, LBS will be sacking pidgeot off the bat, then when you sack their steelix, they can sack your typhlosion. They'll have lost a steelix, you'll have lost 2 stage 2s and a stage 1. Good trade. __________________ r

02/28/2006, 12:00 PM	#37
ryanvergel Images: 1	I use Steelix a lot more than lugia. 100 damage is usually all that is needed for a lot of KOs. I also find sniping the pidgeot or cargo right off the bat is critical to winning. __________________ r

02/28/2006, 09:25 PM	#43
Muk Man Blog Entries: 1 Images: 3	Ninetailes counters LBS! 2 ninetalis will take out the whole deck __________________ TEAM UNDERGROUND Huntsville AL, League Leader Deep Comics Saturdays 2pm-4pm I don't want promo cards for battle roads....I want Pokeballs ~vince~

02/28/2006, 01:20 AM	#29
Zacharyfoo	I think an LM muk swarm with weezing DS and cused ruins might work

02/28/2006, 07:30 AM	#30
SLOW DECK	Honestly, Deck doesn't work without Blastois EX What ever counter or strategy you employ, take down Blastois, BF Pidgeot. __________________ <)))))>< Theorem: One can do just about anything, but not everything. Corollary: One can afford just about anything, but not everything. The worst thing you can do for someone you love are the things they could and should do for themselves. - John Wooden, Legendary UCLA Coach

02/28/2006, 09:52 AM	#33
BROCKS TWIN	For LBS all I have to say is Typhlosion/Weezing thx for the 2 for 1. To many ex's. Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added: For LBS all I have to say is Typhlosion/Weezing thx for the 2 for 1. Too many ex's. Last edited by BROCKS TWIN; 02/28/2006 at 09:54 AM. Reason: Doublepost Eliminator

02/28/2006, 11:45 AM	#36
JokerBoi	Steelix ex? When I first played a LBS I didnt even know it played steelix because I thought it was some Lugia ex gawd deck that some brilliant person thought of. I have never played an lbs that used steelix for the majority of the game that wasnt KO'ed as soon as they send it up steelix is good but a good player knows how to work around snipers. Also, I think LBS should be changed to LBP because they only thing that makes the deck is really is Blastoise and more or less pidgeot lugia is the best attacker IMO and then steelix ex is used for sniping. But to take out LBS all you have to do is get a good ATM off on blasty and pidgeot, lock them into a desert ruins or bf with houndoom, Spread a little damage with Rock-lock. The deck is good but, I definatly dont see it winning ALOT(i said alot) of states at all this talk is reminding me of that amazingly long SMP thread and who is playing SMP now? __________________ My Have/Want List

02/28/2006, 12:06 PM	#38
Moss Factor	There is no broken deck in this format that the pulbic knows about ;) __________________ LAFONTE

02/28/2006, 08:22 PM	#39
BROCKS TWIN	Why is it both examples above have LBS taking first prize? If liability takes first prize especially if ex advantage liability. You have to get to much stuff out to start attacking with Steelix. You have to first get out your blastoise and Steelix line. Then search for magneton or electrode. I believe it was said above if you dont let them take an ex with typhlo. Last time I checked Steelix was weak to fire. Thyplo takes Steelix ex, advantage liability. But also as stated above it depends on set up for both and a little luck. Last edited by BROCKS TWIN; 02/28/2006 at 08:31 PM.

02/28/2006, 09:32 PM	#46
A.Threatz	People don't bash me for this is just a thought... Cradily LM... It probably takes just as much time for Cradily to get setup as LBS does. However Cradily completely destroying that 4 turn setup seems like that would suck a alot. 2/1/2 Blastoise??? If 1 is prized and u keep reacting the other, I'm forseeing an autoloss. Cradily with a couple of disruption cards could actually pose a slight problem, right? Cradily>LBS Lbs>Most of the Format Most of the Format>Cradily Rock/Paper/Scissors Cradily with Ninetales to tech beat ZRE... __________________ FREE AGENT AIM 4 APPRENTICE ANTDUBBS88

02/28/2006, 10:21 PM	#48
charking	Steelix don't have to aim for the active, so it'll hit Ninetails's teammates, even if 'tails is 2HKOing Steelix.

02/28/2006, 10:41 PM	#49
spazcrackers	and what happens if they play all of that energy to a benched pokemon then retreat or swtich,end of story. V cacturne's body doesn't prevent attachment of energy to benched pokemon mister muk guy (rolls eyes) __________________ Team Rocket For the love of the game! 2004 Masters Louisiana State Champion 2006 Masters Alabama State Champion 2009,2011 Masters Mississippi State Champion 2013 Masters Winter Regional Champion Last edited by spazcrackers; 03/01/2006 at 05:28 PM.

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