Cessation Crystal

[im_me]

Well on the front page of the Gym we have new pics for Crystal Guardians but there is one thing...Seal Crystal is now Cessation Crystal and Cessation Crystal can't be attached to ex's!!! Ugh!!! The Sceppy ex Delta/Cessation Crystal(Seal Crystal) idea is now really screwed up...lol...now that I have had my time to say my feelings I want everyone to share what they think Cessation Crystal will be the most useful for.

[DarkMagnus]

sorry but i never thought for a minute it could be attached to ex's that just way to ungodly. if i couldn't attach a thing that gives it 20 more hp to a dark then why stopping all powers body's on non ex's would be legal? i think you should have used better critical thinking. But GL with finding a deck for him

[DarkMagnus]

well yeah and theres gunna be mopre if shiftry gets big but i dunno raieggs isn't that great imo

[im_me]

Originally Posted by PSYCO829

REggs
it has no powers or bodies, and hurts decks that play them already
cessation crystal is like rubbing salt in the wound

yep good one for seal crystal...shutoff bodies and powers and ZZZZzzzap

[DarkMagnus]

then a windstorm comes threw and a pokemon OHKO"s the rat and draws some prizes

[rroaryh]

Does Cessation Crystal stop bodies?

ROr

Dumb name IMO

[Soma]

Originally Posted by rroaryh

Does Cessation Crystal stop bodies?

ROr

Dumb name IMO

It means an immediate ceasing... =/
It stops Powers+Bodies, I believe...

[DarkMagnus]

i'm pretty sure it shut off everything i could check the spoilers but i'm a bit lazy ( cept ex's)

[Soma]

Originally Posted by DarkMagnus

i'm pretty sure it shut off everything i could check the spoilers but i'm a bit lazy ( cept ex's)

But it shuts off ex too!

[DarkMagnus]

i dunno about that but thats nice eather way might be another problem for my big scary tree

[Papi/Manny]

It will see play, but I doubt it will be heavy impacting. It has to remain active, so it is just a matter of time before you ko the thing its on.

[Soma]

Originally Posted by Papi/Manny

It will see play, but I doubt it will be heavy impacting. It has to remain active, so it is just a matter of time before you ko the thing its on.

True that, or warppoint / reversal /etc...

[DarkMagnus]

or cyclone or Gust of wind FTW lol

[twitchy lv x]

the new name for the card is horrible IMO

but yes this card is going to be used in a lot of decks
and everyone is going to be playin tech windstorm

[shiftrymaster68]

I wonder if this means Gardevior ex d's Power is going to be called Cessation instead of Seal...

[DarkMagnus]

maybe not shiftry master they might have changed the text on the trainer so that the Gardy can stay the same and people wont associate ( sp?) the two as the same. just a thought

[twitchy lv x]

i dont even think that they may release those theme decks cause those cards are only for japan IMO
cause those cards are way too powerful

[DarkMagnus]

not those theme deck ( there only 30 cards) but the ttar and gardy will be printed in the set. as for to powerful i dunno about that, the ttar's attack might not even happen half the time. and the gaurdy only allows you to stop 1 pokemons power/body and the power of gardy if not the token can be annuled by BF so powerful? yes ungodly? no

[Dark Umbreon]

Hi DarkMagnus,

Battle Frontier does not shut down Gardevoir δ ex since it is fire and not metal. However it does shut down Gardevoir δ. You need to resort to Holon Shrine or even Tropius δ in case the deck relies on abilities. Briney's Compassion is an option too but the number of decks which are able to abuse this card well is limited.

[DarkMagnus]

sorry i didn't check the spoiler i assumed that like most stage 2 deltas it was metal.... hmmm well not that easy to shut off then. but like you said its not that super so we will just have to wait and see.
and how would this vrs. shiftry ex go? would the token shut off the body first or would the gardy take 20 then shut off the power

[Prime]

I look back at cards that have made a big impact in this game. A lot of the time those cards are really good but with no easy to figure out way to play them. For example, Raichu δ. The second I saw the card, I knew it was good. But I didn't know the right way to play it. Before I know, a new big deck comes around with, to my amazement, Raichu δ. I was shocked to see the strategy of the deck, but wasn't surprised a good deck came out of the card.

This card gives me the same feeling. The feeling that this card is just way too good. Sure, it has counters, but most everything does. And I look at Pidgeot. A broken card IMHO, that had many counters (including Medicham/Battle Frontier/Pidgeot δ/ etc) and yet it still plays a large part of one of the best decks (the best in some eyes) of this format.

A card can have counters, and still do well. You really have to research just how effective those counters are. If most decks (flamingspinach exaggerated with 98% of all cards but most decks are affected by it) can't run the card (Cessation Crystal), and decks tech for the tool, what do those players do when a tech'd deck faces a tech'd deck. Does the tech have multiple uses, weither or not your facing the deck you've tech'd for?

Windstorm is the obvious counter to Cessation Crystal. But just how effective is the card overall? It can discard tools and stadiums, which gives it some use against decks that don't run Cessation Crystal, but I don't think it really works as well as just running an extra stadium and trumping the opponent's stadium. Also, with very little way to search for a non-supporter trainer, just how likely are you to get one in your hand when your powers and bodies are shut off?

Decks that run Magcargo and other searching powers could go after the windstorm first, just incase the other player plays the Cessation Crystal, but what do other decks do? Cessation Crystal hurts so many decks, and many of them have no search at all. Lets look at what big decks we've seen this format that have no search that Cessation Crystal would hurt.

Mewtric
Mynx
Medicham
Flariados
JynxFett
DragTrode
LunaRock
Scrambled Eggs

All these decks have no way to search their deck for a Windstorm. Some of these decks can counter it another way, but very few can. Cessation Crystal is a hard counter to many of these decks.

In conclusion, I wouldn't laugh at this card, or think that a simple Windstorm just solves this problem. Cessation Crystal is a very powerful card, and with no clear counter to it in the future set, I could definitely see it playing a large part in a new big deck.

[DarkMagnus]

wow prime that was a long and very thought out comment, i will admit i've never really seen your point on many other topics but that was pretty much right slap it on chu or Kingler d of anything its searchable and easy to use in a deck with powers and body's ( if there not e'x and not important after) and makes alot of stuff like golem more playable. Thanks for that.

[Croatian_Nidoking]

Cessation Crystal will be simply wicked in Tyability. Granted, it doesn't give Typhlosion the HP boost that Energy Root does, but the shutting down of your opponent's Powers/Bodies more than makes up for it.

- Croatian "more than one way to stabilize a 'Phlosion" Nidoking

[im_me]

Originally Posted by Prime

I look back at cards that have made a big impact in this game. A lot of the time those cards are really good but with no easy to figure out way to play them. For example, Raichu δ. The second I saw the card, I knew it was good. But I didn't know the right way to play it. Before I know, a new big deck comes around with, to my amazement, Raichu δ. I was shocked to see the strategy of the deck, but wasn't surprised a good deck came out of the card.

This card gives me the same feeling. The feeling that this card is just way too good. Sure, it has counters, but most everything does. And I look at Pidgeot. A broken card IMHO, that had many counters (including Medicham/Battle Frontier/Pidgeot δ/ etc) and yet it still plays a large part of one of the best decks (the best in some eyes) of this format.

A card can have counters, and still do well. You really have to research just how effective those counters are. If most decks (flamingspinach exaggerated with 98% of all cards but most decks are affected by it) can't run the card (Cessation Crystal), and decks tech for the tool, what do those players do when a tech'd deck faces a tech'd deck. Does the tech have multiple uses, weither or not your facing the deck you've tech'd for?

Windstorm is the obvious counter to Cessation Crystal. But just how effective is the card overall? It can discard tools and stadiums, which gives it some use against decks that don't run Cessation Crystal, but I don't think it really works as well as just running an extra stadium and trumping the opponent's stadium. Also, with very little way to search for a non-supporter trainer, just how likely are you to get one in your hand when your powers and bodies are shut off?

Decks that run Magcargo and other searching powers could go after the windstorm first, just incase the other player plays the Cessation Crystal, but what do other decks do? Cessation Crystal hurts so many decks, and many of them have no search at all. Lets look at what big decks we've seen this format that have no search that Cessation Crystal would hurt.

Mewtric
Mynx
Medicham
Flariados
JynxFett
DragTrode
LunaRock
Scrambled Eggs

All these decks have no way to search their deck for a Windstorm. Some of these decks can counter it another way, but very few can. Cessation Crystal is a hard counter to many of these decks.

In conclusion, I wouldn't laugh at this card, or think that a simple Windstorm just solves this problem. Cessation Crystal is a very powerful card, and with no clear counter to it in the future set, I could definitely see it playing a large part in a new big deck.

blows away half/whole body...wow ok this forum has now been discussed by one post....Matt you just rocked...kudus to you man

[rroaryh]

Totally agree with Prime.

I really think Kingler d will rock this card and soon the Metagame. I mean, this card will definently expand to a powerhouse.

ROr