Ninikn Vs. Kingdra

[sneaselsrevenge]

I hope this is the right forum. Me and Swampert EX are having an argument, If a Niniken deck and a Kingdra/EX deck both get a good openeing hand, which has the better hcance of winning?

[SwampertEX]

haha very funny Jermy. 3 Kingdra is not probable so it's most likely gonna be Niniken.

[Pablo]

If both get a good set up, it really depends on the style of the Kingdra deck, if it is played with Delcatty and Dunsparce, i.e, to swarm as fast as possible, it probably will beat Niniken in any kind of set up, but if it doesn't start attacking right away, Niniken will beat the Kingdra deck.

-MuD

[sneaselsrevenge]

I say Kingdra should own Niniken due to the fact that both the "Waterfall" and "water Arrow" Seadras can OHKO the Ninetails due to weakness.

[evilcaturne666]

Originally Posted by sneaselsrevenge

I say Kingdra should own Niniken due to the fact that both the "Waterfall" and "water Arrow" Seadras can OHKO the Ninetails due to weakness.

wuts niniken

[mozartrules]

Originally Posted by evilcaturne666

wuts niniken

Ninetails + Blaziken

[evilcaturne666]

Originally Posted by mozartrules

Ninetails + Blaziken

thanks

[Bigpoppabeatdown]

simple fact, a boost nrg for kingdra = bye bye active.......

kingdra wins, hands down............ if they have equal set ups

i don't know, i'm sure that match has come up..........

but i think this wouldn't really belong here, since there is no decklist

probably cards and strategies

[Prime]

The only way I could see kingdra losing is if blaziken and ninetails didn't have water weaknesses.

[Pablo]

There we go again Prime, I've told u many many times to play me and you keep ingnoring me, first BAR is better than Niniken according to you, now this, Niniken does have a GOOD chance VS Kingdra, I beat 2 Kingdra decks in my CC using Niniken, and u just need to get Niniken out ASAP, but if the Kingdra player swarmsfast enough, yeah it does lose to Kingdra.

[SuperWooper]

Mudkip won his ******* CC in the finals AGAINST A KINGDRA EX deck with NINIKEN! That enough proof for you?

[SuperWooper]

Originally Posted by SuperWooper

Mudkip won his ******* CC in the finals AGAINST A KINGDRA EX deck with NINIKEN! That enough proof for you?

Which is to say it's the player, not the deck! How many times will I say it? Probably for then I can count on my fingers and toes. 'Cept for that sixth toe on my right foot... :p

[Prime]

Gosh, Mudkip what is it with you? I have the right to hold my own opinion, and you have no right to tell me my opinion is wrong. You don't see myself correcting you after every post you make, do you? Please give me the same respect I give you. Also, I'd like to make the point that just because someone beats someone with a certain deck, it doesn't mean that everytime the two decks meet each other the same thing will happen.

[SwampertEX]

Originally Posted by Prime

Gosh, Mudkip what is it with you? I have the right to hold my own opinion, and you have no right to tell me my opinion is wrong. You don't see myself correcting you after every post you make, do you? Please give me the same respect I give you. Also, I'd like to make the point that just because someone beats someone with a certain deck, it doesn't mean that everytime the two decks meet each other the same thing will happen.

Okay, that's enough of that. Sneasel and I just wanted to have a healthy arguement about Pokemon. Pokemon I tell you, POKEMON! Not about Civil Rights, about POKEMON. Please, I beg of you settle your personal issues on your own time and not on a POKEMON forum. Thx
-Swampy

[Cyrus]

haha very funny Jermy. 3 Kingdra is not probable so it's most likely gonna be Niniken.

Don't be so sure...I actually saw it happen at the Plano CC. Clay, the winner of 15+, took his only defeat from a kid who started turn one with THREE in his hand...naturally, he got all the buggers out fast.

[GodTrainer]

Originally Posted by SwampertEX

Okay, that's enough of that. Sneasel and I just wanted to have a healthy arguement about Pokemon. Pokemon I tell you, POKEMON! Not about Civil Rights, about POKEMON. Please, I beg of you settle your personal issues on your own time and not on a POKEMON forum. Thx
-Swampy

let them fight it out (jerry springer bells go off) its entertaining :D :D


o yea and....

-ninken beats kindraEX w/ equal set up and equal play skill
-but BAR beats both of them :D :D

[Pablo]

BAR beats Niniken? U OBV haven't played that matchup. Tales can swarm, Tales doesn't give 2 prizes when Ko'ed, gets set up faster. Nuff said.

-MuD

[Prime]

In my opinion, rayquaza is better. Rayquaza is easier to get out, takes less to attack, and does more damage per discard. It also has 20 more HP and a resistance to water and fighting. Sure it gives an extra prize when discarded, but for all the pluses, one minus doesn't make it bad.

[mozartrules]

I have never played Niniken (and not even against it), but I know that BAR is simply to play against (This may be a minority opinion).

I would go for Niniken, at least in the present world where water is played so little. The main issue - relevant not just for the straight matchup - is that Ditto (my preference, but Crystal Shard works too) are simple to build into decks whereas it is a lot harder to add something that works against Niniken.

The point is that even a water deck would think about adding Ditto to fight Rayquaza!

[Pablo]

yeah, but i meant my post in the direction that Niniken has an advantage over BAR, on paper BAR sounds better, but on actual play, Niniken proves to be faster most of the times.

-MuD

[meganium45]

I would love to see a Ninekin deck run into the WailordEX/Fossil deck trampling through our gym...

101 reasons not to play it....the really, really big fish.

Ninekin has NOTHING that will take out the whale, either does Blaziken.

The strength of this deck is also its achilles heel.

Whereas a KingdraEX player can only retreat to the bench, Wailord EX heals on his way back.

That is why Ninekin will not survive nationals, and frankly, even states at this point.

This deck has a short window of life, and I think the big Aqua pokes will not help a bit.

My 2cents

Meganium45

[Prime]

Niniken is alot easier to get fully out and working, but BAR involves less trainers to keep the mega-damage going. I mean with BAR, you don't have to retreat to bring out a fully powered discarder, you just move the energy up to the discarder. But also, you don't need electric energy on ninetails to attack which IMO is one of the biggest weaknesses of BAR. A simple water-discard deck could logically beat BAR because you keep removing the L energy and then rayquaza cannot attack, so they attack with blaziken, so you hit it with water.

Meganium, I have to disagree. Rayquaza only has to discard 5 energy to OHKO wailord, which is very simple when the only offense you have for the first few turns is fossils. And then, a simple wobbuffet will stop wailord aswell. Niniken on the other hand has to discard 9 energy on ninetails to OHKO wailord which is really alot.

[meganium45]

BAR decks also get PWND by Ditto. Skyridge, surprise!

M45

[Pablo]

Umm how does Niniken have nothing vs Wailord? Blaze pwns the fossils, and Tales can OHKO anything, so I don't get ur post, Niniken will not do damage to Wailord, it will OHKO it, the 4 turns u take to power it up will give Niniken the advantage, plus the extra mulligan cards u give it, and in 8 turns for a second wailord, ull have lost most of ur fossils, and have nothing to hide behind.

-MuD

[SuperWooper]

Originally Posted by Mudkip

Umm how does Niniken have nothing vs Wailord? Blaze pwns the fossils, and Tales can OHKO anything, so I don't get ur post, Niniken will not do damage to Wailord, it will OHKO it, the 4 turns u take to power it up will give Niniken the advantage, plus the extra mulligan cards u give it, and in 8 turns for a second wailord, ull have lost most of ur fossils, and have nothing to hide behind.

-MuD

Hey Mudkip and Meganium. Instead of fighting with words, why don't you duke it out over apprentice or AIM? It'd solve things a lot easier. Play best two of three and tell us who wins, because this discussion isn't getting anywhere.