Grumpig --- The new Ludicargo

Dante63s · 09/27/2007, 02:45 PM

In the last format this was not that good but now I see potential in this card, beacause Infernape, Magmortar, Empoleon and Hurricane are well played deck so this would reduce 30 damage (Empoleon might get around that, with CC) each time they attack it, not only that, it can do up to 110 damage.
What to you think?

**Regis_Neo** · 09/27/2007, 03:33 PM

No, not really. Ludicargo was special in that you would Smooth Over and then Swing Dance to essentially draw 1 card of your choice; the fact it had Circular Steps just made it all that better, but it could still have gotten stopped if the bench wasn't big enough on both sides. Grumpig has lower HP, no draw support like how Magcargo and Ludicolo comboed, and given the faster pace of the game, you aren't as likely to see big benches immediately. Just my opinion.

Dante63s · 09/27/2007, 04:31 PM

Its not Ludicargo but the attack is the sam, thats all, Nidoqueen Delta could work.

**Regis_Neo** · 09/27/2007, 11:06 PM

If you're looking solely at Circular Steps, even then it wasn't so great, as it is too dependent on the bench size of both players. Both sides would need full benches just to reach the max of 110, which these days is out of OHKO range for some of the more bulkier Pokemon like Blissey, Empoleon, etc. without the use of Plus Powers or Strength Charms.

*Jigglypuff666* · 09/28/2007, 02:40 AM

It could work, but no where near as good as Ludicargo. With Nidoqueen, it could work, but (and I know this probably won't work) what about Luxray (DP) (probably in a 1-0-1 line) for it's Poké-Power? (Try to)fill their bench to try and keep that high damage going.
And of course, the average HP is up, so, as Regis Neo said, you won't be able to OHKO some of the more bulky Pokémon.

Rocket_Spenser · 09/28/2007, 05:24 AM

My brother and i play tested grumpig. it really doesn't matter where your opponent's bench is. Most likely they'll have two and if you can keep your bench, that's 70 for three (60 for 2 if you DRE) on a stage 1 with resistance to very popular cards. It's no ludicargo, and in the end we decided against it for BR's but it's a respectable card and averages 70+ damage by turn 3. all-in-all, it's a well over-looked card that's actually not half bad.

Dante63s · 09/28/2007, 08:13 AM

Just an idea...

DarthPika · 09/28/2007, 08:35 AM

This won't work against Hurricane. All I have to do is show you 2 more nrg for OHKO.

If you want somthing to beat the decks you listed, use Blissy.

Dante63s · 09/28/2007, 11:31 AM

Blissey is good! and yes this would have problems with Hurricane

Professor Elm · 09/28/2007, 03:44 PM

Speed Grumpig could be a very nice deck.
You would want to base your deck around Grumpig and another Pokemon, but I could see it working.
It makes it out of KO range for Ape and Empoleon most of the time.
AND many decks need at least 3 bench pokemon or more to function properly. You prolly will average about 80-100 for 3 which is pretty darn good.

It has potential, BUT then again so do a lot of things.

Dante63s · 09/28/2007, 04:04 PM

What do you think would be the best partner?

Let Fire Fall · 09/29/2007, 08:11 AM

Grumpigs body makes it good too. Minus 30 from Empoleon and Inernape/ other water or fire things. Magmortar and Gatr as well.

DarthPika · 09/29/2007, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Grumpigs body makes it good too. Minus 30 from Empoleon and Inernape/ other water or fire things. Magmortar and Gatr as well.

I just said that it dosn't mean ANYTHING to Gatr. All I do is show you 2 more nrg for the OHKO. And it dosn't have much hp to begine with.

*Darkwalker* · 09/29/2007, 03:44 PM

Chingling/Chimecho would be good starters for this to help get you bench set up quickly. As for a secondary attacker, something that has Psychic resistsance might be useful (Absol Ex maybe) or something that has very low attack costs since PPC wil be hard to recover from if it gets KO'd before it does enough damage to your opponent's Pokemon.

Dante63s · 09/29/2007, 06:58 PM

Chingling/Chimecho would work good, and yes for Hurricane this would be no problem.

Ascension · 09/30/2007, 09:28 AM

Maybe Grumpig and Nidoqueen d/ Nidoqueen MT? Larger bench? <-- Nidoqueen MT. Opponent's large bench+ your large bench? <-- Grumpig. Delta Nidoqueen for searching pokes. Could work.

Rocket_Spenser · 10/01/2007, 02:12 PM

I run my Grumpig with Mightyena for psychic resistance and Delcatty for draw. Both of the ex's cause disruption end keep your bench up. It's a decent deck, and as much as pika would have us believe otherwise, it hold it's own quite well against Feraligatr and pretty much any fire/water deck (even bench hits are reduced by 30).

lolganium · 10/06/2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DarthPika

I just said that it dosn't mean ANYTHING to Gatr. All I do is show you 2 more nrg for the OHKO. And it dosn't have much hp to begine with.

guys, guys, guys. just remember that hurricane is the best deck of 'em all, so... yeah

[i hate hurricane

]

09/27/2007, 03:33 PM	#2
Regis_Neo Forum Moderator Blog Entries: 1 Images: 24	No, not really. Ludicargo was special in that you would Smooth Over and then Swing Dance to essentially draw 1 card of your choice; the fact it had Circular Steps just made it all that better, but it could still have gotten stopped if the bench wasn't big enough on both sides. Grumpig has lower HP, no draw support like how Magcargo and Ludicolo comboed, and given the faster pace of the game, you aren't as likely to see big benches immediately. Just my opinion. __________________ Shameless self-promotion: Interested in the VGC? Want to be the best you can be? Check out my VGC Teambuilding guide here: http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=158669

09/27/2007, 11:06 PM	#4
Regis_Neo Forum Moderator Blog Entries: 1 Images: 24	If you're looking solely at Circular Steps, even then it wasn't so great, as it is too dependent on the bench size of both players. Both sides would need full benches just to reach the max of 110, which these days is out of OHKO range for some of the more bulkier Pokemon like Blissey, Empoleon, etc. without the use of Plus Powers or Strength Charms. __________________ Shameless self-promotion: Interested in the VGC? Want to be the best you can be? Check out my VGC Teambuilding guide here: http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=158669

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09/27/2007, 02:45 PM	#1
Dante63s	Grumpig --- The new Ludicargo In the last format this was not that good but now I see potential in this card, beacause Infernape, Magmortar, Empoleon and Hurricane are well played deck so this would reduce 30 damage (Empoleon might get around that, with CC) each time they attack it, not only that, it can do up to 110 damage. What to you think?

09/27/2007, 04:31 PM	#3
Dante63s	Its not Ludicargo but the attack is the sam, thats all, Nidoqueen Delta could work.

09/28/2007, 02:40 AM	#5
Jigglypuff666	It could work, but no where near as good as Ludicargo. With Nidoqueen, it could work, but (and I know this probably won't work) what about Luxray (DP) (probably in a 1-0-1 line) for it's Poké-Power? (Try to)fill their bench to try and keep that high damage going. And of course, the average HP is up, so, as Regis Neo said, you won't be able to OHKO some of the more bulky Pokémon. __________________ These are old, ingore if you like. New Haves and Wants! Good/Bad/Cautionary Traders List

09/28/2007, 05:24 AM	#6
Rocket_Spenser	My brother and i play tested grumpig. it really doesn't matter where your opponent's bench is. Most likely they'll have two and if you can keep your bench, that's 70 for three (60 for 2 if you DRE) on a stage 1 with resistance to very popular cards. It's no ludicargo, and in the end we decided against it for BR's but it's a respectable card and averages 70+ damage by turn 3. all-in-all, it's a well over-looked card that's actually not half bad.

09/28/2007, 08:35 AM	#8
DarthPika	This won't work against Hurricane. All I have to do is show you 2 more nrg for OHKO. If you want somthing to beat the decks you listed, use Blissy. __________________ I <3 1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6(3H,7H)-dione 3,7-dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione

09/28/2007, 11:31 AM	#9
Dante63s	Blissey is good! and yes this would have problems with Hurricane

09/28/2007, 03:44 PM	#10
Professor Elm	Speed Grumpig could be a very nice deck. You would want to base your deck around Grumpig and another Pokemon, but I could see it working. It makes it out of KO range for Ape and Empoleon most of the time. AND many decks need at least 3 bench pokemon or more to function properly. You prolly will average about 80-100 for 3 which is pretty darn good. It has potential, BUT then again so do a lot of things. __________________ My Trade List Team San Antonio "Quality players, not quantity."

09/28/2007, 04:04 PM	#11
Dante63s	What do you think would be the best partner?

09/29/2007, 08:11 AM	#12
Let Fire Fall	Grumpigs body makes it good too. Minus 30 from Empoleon and Inernape/ other water or fire things. Magmortar and Gatr as well. __________________ Have Wants http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56586 From the womb to the tomb, presume the unpredictable Gun salute life, rapidly, that's the ritual

09/29/2007, 03:44 PM	#14
Darkwalker	Chingling/Chimecho would be good starters for this to help get you bench set up quickly. As for a secondary attacker, something that has Psychic resistsance might be useful (Absol Ex maybe) or something that has very low attack costs since PPC wil be hard to recover from if it gets KO'd before it does enough damage to your opponent's Pokemon.

09/29/2007, 06:58 PM	#15
Dante63s	Chingling/Chimecho would work good, and yes for Hurricane this would be no problem.

09/30/2007, 09:28 AM	#16
Ascension	Maybe Grumpig and Nidoqueen d/ Nidoqueen MT? Larger bench? <-- Nidoqueen MT. Opponent's large bench+ your large bench? <-- Grumpig. Delta Nidoqueen for searching pokes. Could work.

10/01/2007, 02:12 PM	#17
Rocket_Spenser	I run my Grumpig with Mightyena for psychic resistance and Delcatty for draw. Both of the ex's cause disruption end keep your bench up. It's a decent deck, and as much as pika would have us believe otherwise, it hold it's own quite well against Feraligatr and pretty much any fire/water deck (even bench hits are reduced by 30).