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Old 05/22/2008, 12:53 AM   #1
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help please vaporeon versus ho-oh

we have a vaporeon with hyper whirlpool and a ho-oh with pheonix turn against each other. Hyper whirlpool has you flip a coin till you get tails then discard energy attached to the defending for ever heads you roll. Pheonix turn say's "if ho-oh would be Knocked out by damage from an attack, you may flip a coin. If heads, Ho-oh isn't discarded. Instead remove all damage counters, special conditions and other effects from ho-oh. Then discard all cards atteched to ho-oh (except for energy cards) This counts as ho-oh being knocked out and your opponent takes a prize card." Does vaporeon's whirlpool effect of discarding energy take effect even though ho-oh with pheonix turn would be knocked out?

example: vaporeon's hyper whirlpool flips two heads, and my opponent flips a heads for pheonix turn. Does ho-oh lose two energies?
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Old 05/22/2008, 01:38 AM   #2
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The effect of Hyper Whirpool goes before the one of Phoenix Turn. Thus, the energy is discarded first, then you flip for Phoenix Turn.
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Old 05/22/2008, 03:22 AM   #3
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I'm trying to think of a situation where it matters. Even if the Hooh player gets heads on Pheonix turn you would still get to flip to discard. Me first, you first, or both together I don't think the eventual outcome changes.

Must check out Lanturn PKs' energy grounding, just in case.
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Old 05/22/2008, 10:19 AM   #4
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thanks a bunch
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