Magnezone - UFO

[kaworu]

With all major parts to Magnezone soon to be wildly available can this deck become a contender for the top spot along side AMU/Kingdra?

Does it still need Electivire for the energy retrieval? Electivire lvl.x helps against Dusknoir lvl.x. Being electric helps against Kingdra, Metal magnezones have resistance against AMU.

Which combination of the 3 available Magnezones is best?

Conductive quarry?

Thoughts / ideas?

[Ho Megas Alexandros]

Electivire is cool for grabbing an electric energy once per turn, but you might find Rayquaza to be a better source of energy pickup.

Eh, conductive quarry... cool for getting special metals and countering dusknoirs, but still pretty lame

Lightning Magnezone won't even OHKO Kingdra without a Pluspower or Bucks in play. oh AND a lake boundry.

[KazamBolt]

AMU and Kingdra aren't top contenders come Cities. Dusknoir is the new deck. Magnezone's OK but the spreading power of Dusknoir out speeds and out plays it.

[MrMeches]

Heatran LvX is the answer! You discard the metal: from Zone LvX, then Heatran's Powr allows you to get them back! Play the Dp Zone and Heatran's colorlesscolorless retreat goes away with Magnetize so it is easy to get into play! Zone #5 allows for a faster Setup since it can grab :lightning or Pokemon and Palkia & Heatran's are Basics so Roseannes grabs both of them for you! IMHO, Zone X just got put on Steroids!

Zone LvX gets to keep its energy, Paralyze and pick its Prey!

Fish

[kaworu]

Wow I never realised it worked for metal pokemon too. Free retreat and energy recycle seem too good. Also running the basic metal heatran means if need be heatran lvl.x can attack.

4 - 2 - 1_1_1_1 Magnezone one of each
2-2 Claydol
2-2 Heatran lvl.x
1 or 2 Rayquaza
4 starter? Sableye?

[Magic_Umbreon]

Originally Posted by kaworu

Wow I never realised it worked for metal pokemon too. Free retreat and energy recycle seem too good. Also running the basic metal heatran means if need be heatran lvl.x can attack.

4 - 2 - 1_1_1_1 Magnezone one of each
2-2 Claydol
2-2 Heatran lvl.x
1 or 2 Rayquaza
4 starter? Sableye?

You run Heatran so Magnezone can search for it.

[mila]

The hardest match up is against that 4-4 Bronzong decks. I used a Lugia in my Magnezone and Palkia Lv X for that, Lugia is great can OHKO some pokes if it survives some turn. But that was before SF release.

Now the big problem is playing vs Dusknoir, you need:

Magnezone/Lv X active
another Magnezone / Lv X bench
Claydol bench
Electivire bench

and thats all, Magnezone can search for metal pokes with the power, but you cant play it!.

Im running:
3-1-2 (new Magnezone) 1 (free retreat Magnezone) 1 Lv X
2-2-1 Electivire Lv X
1-1 Claydol
1 Unown g
1 Sableye
1 Azelf
1-0-1 tech (im testing empoleon, i also think about Bastiodon for Raichu Lv X)..

Magnezone is a great card!, i hope it can win some tourneys.

[MrMeches]

^ Be hard to Dark Palm though when it is brought up and Paralyzed! Dusknoir is easy to play around.... beat a few in BRs so that won't be much of an issue IMHO. With so much search for Pokemon with the new Zone, Claydol doesn't HAVE to be on the bench... so Palkia can be there.... Electivire can be replaced with Heatran so that is a wash.. don't need to Motor Drive if the Energy never really stays in the Discard!

It will be an interesting match, but ot me everything is 50-50... it all depends on starts and Luck!

Fish

[rhodesia123]

Originally Posted by MrMeches

^ Be hard to Dark Palm though when it is brought up and Paralyzed! Dusknoir is easy to play around.... beat a few in BRs so that won't be much of an issue IMHO.

the thing is they dont play the duskull-candy-dusknoir until you get your bench to 4. all it takes is 1 dark palm to screw you up.

[revdjweb]

the key to magnezones success/failure is getting a build that is effective with only three on the bench, to avoid the worst of dusknoir and mismagius. considering the myriad of sidekicks which can benefit magnezone (claydol, electivire, blissey, rayquaza, registeel, heatran lvl x, uxie, azelf just off the top of my head) and the fact that there are three very appealing magnezone variants now it is going to be a 'wait and see what works' process.
the only thing i can say for sure is the new lightning magnemite >>> all other magnemites.

[rhodesia123]

really? i wouldve thunk the free retreating magnemite.

[kaworu]

Originally Posted by Magic_Umbreon

You run Heatran so Magnezone can search for it.

Thanks captain obvious.

To avoid Dusknoir ruining your day I think the only necessary set up you will need is Magnezone active then benched: Claydol / magnezone / heatran lvl.x

you can tech in a rayquaza but only play it against certain decks or when you need it.

Does the deck need a starter pokemon taking up the bench mid game?

What ratio of the 3 magnezones should be used?

[Ignatious]

Always use 2 DP Magnezone. Always. Free retreat makes any Magnezone deck, it's what allows you to add weird techs such as Palkia and Heatran successfully. Furthermore, it's attack is FAR better than both of it's competition's, allowing for many opportunities to OHKO. The other Zone slot should belong to what is needed more: Search, or acceleration+ special metal retriever. For most builds, I would use The lightning Zone for this last slot, and of course I would add in the LvX.

[Rashad]

The thing is u don't attack with Magnezone Lv.X u attack with a regular magnezone it's almost as if it's a test dummy of some sort LOL

[G-Dog4377]

Of course. You want to keep the Lv.X in play at all costs. It is always better to attack with a different Magnezone if you aren't going to use Cyber Shock.

[plebeianprint]

i finally acquired the new metal magnezone and a heatran x, so i'm revamping this deck. i have high hopes for it, and i think that it can do well.

[ShadowGuard]

One thing to say - Heatran Lv.X in a Magnezone deck is just stupid. Actually some of the most terrible things you can play in this deck. You don't get any benefit from its body, and the power is only useful if you attack with Magnezone Lv.X, which is not your mainhitter (this was already mentioned). Since you can recover energy easily with Super Connectivity, you don't need Heatran. It isn't even able to recover special metal energy, unlike Magnezone SF.

Can't understand how people talk about lack of bench spaces and want to play Heatran at the same time. Aside from the bench factor, it's a basic Lv.X, that means you can get other useful Pokémon with same effort. While even stuff with no synergy like Cresselia Lv.X would still be a lot better than Heatran in Magnezone, we have a a really good tech here - Palkia Lv.X.


Let's just compare.

Palkia Lv.X does nothing while you don't have at least Magnezone DP in play. With Magnezone DP and Magnezone Lv.X you can use its power without any drawback. That's a Gust of Wind every turn!

Heatran Lv.X does nothing while you don't have Magnezone Lv.X in play, therefor you need another Magnezone below it. Conditions to use it are almost the same, while it's effect is pretty low. You can recover two energy in case you attack with Magnezone Lv.X. But do you really need that energy with the powers of Magnezone SF and Magnezone Lv.X? My expeciences with Magnezone have shown that you don't get energy problems once you are set up.

So I hope nobody will talk about Heatran in Magnezone any more. ;)

[vanderbilt_grad]

The one thing that I really like about Heatran in a Zone deck is the type coverage it offers. If you run the metal or promo Heatran it gives you an interesting backup attacker that's murder on the various grass decks.

[MrMeches]

Originally Posted by ShadowGuard

One thing to say - Heatran Lv.X in a Magnezone deck is just stupid. Actually some of the most terrible things you can play in this deck. You don't get any benefit from its body, and the power is only useful if you attack with Magnezone Lv.X, which is not your mainhitter (this was already mentioned). Since you can recover energy easily with Super Connectivity, you don't need Heatran. It isn't even able to recover special metal energy, unlike Magnezone SF.

Can't understand how people talk about lack of bench spaces and want to play Heatran at the same time. Aside from the bench factor, it's a basic Lv.X, that means you can get other useful Pokémon with same effort. While even stuff with no synergy like Cresselia Lv.X would still be a lot better than Heatran in Magnezone, we have a a really good tech here - Palkia Lv.X.


Let's just compare.

Palkia Lv.X does nothing while you don't have at least Magnezone DP in play. With Magnezone DP and Magnezone Lv.X you can use its power without any drawback. That's a Gust of Wind every turn!

Heatran Lv.X does nothing while you don't have Magnezone Lv.X in play, therefor you need another Magnezone below it. Conditions to use it are almost the same, while it's effect is pretty low. You can recover two energy in case you attack with Magnezone Lv.X. But do you really need that energy with the powers of Magnezone SF and Magnezone Lv.X? My expeciences with Magnezone have shown that you don't get energy problems once you are set up.

So I hope nobody will talk about Heatran in Magnezone any more. ;)

My list that gave me 3 Top Cuts ran t2 Mag X and I used it for my Main attacker... just ask the people I knocked out of the cut with it during swiss if Mag X doesnt attack! Heatran X is a FANTASTIC tech in here do to being able to consistently Paralyze with no "real" discard! Who cares you don't use the Body, Zone doesn't need the body, but keeping those energy in play after Paralyzing a turn to setup a ko for later on is amazgin! Palkia lets you get rid of Claydol wiht a oneshot of 2 energy and not 3 with no Draw back after Heatran is in play! And before oyu mention that it takes to long to setup 3 LvX Pokes, again ask the people I used mine against how quick they setup!

It still works and it is solid! WOuld love ot play mine against yours and see which comes on top! I can work around where your SPecial Metals with Palkia and can use Heatran LvX ot KO you for the Mirror!

So Heatran and Palkia have a home in some peoples list.. no need ot bash it if you don't like it... just use a little more descretion instead of telling someone it doesnt work! It might not work for you, but we are all not you! My style might not work for you, but you aren't me... so that is why this game is so AWESOME! We can experiment with so many different ideas instead of a stale environment!

Thanks and Remember... SOTG! ALWAYS!

[G-Dog4377]

I have actually tested that on a Sceptile/Torterra deck. It is definitely a plus to have that in those specific matchups. However, it is not helpful to have the fire type coverage in other matchups. Besides that, Palkia Lv.X benefits tremendously in just about every matchup applicable. It is not the fact that Heatran Lv.X is bad in a Magnezone Lv.X deck. It is pretty decent. It is the fact that Palkia Lv.X is just so much better than almost everything else in every single matchup.

EDIT: Got a post right above mine here I must comment on. I like your view of the game with differing styles being able to come out. Magnezone Lv.X is so amazing in the fact that it can further show that than any other card in the format. MrMeches, do you play on Redshark? I'd love to run a few matchups of my Magnezone Lv.X against yours sometime.

[ShadowGuard]

@ MrMeches

I didn't intend to bash anyone, I just don't want you to play uneffective cards. A discussion board is there to tell your opinion, and this is mine about Heatran. Maybe my kind of expression and the last sentence were a bit harsh, but therefore I put a smiley behind it. =)

But now back to the topic, why do you need Heatran to save energy if you can recover it with Super Connectivity? Even Electivire SW is easier to build up and helps more.

Of course Heatran can be useful in some situations. I could play Potion, this is also very useful in some situations. But you have to look what's better for your deck, since you have only 60 deck slots, 3-5 bench slots and limited setup capacities. And if you could have things like Palkia Lv.X, Electivire, 1-0-1 Dusknoir or other stuff with similar efforts, why choose Heatran? Magnezone doesn't have energy problems with the new one from Stormfront. The facts that you can switch around your energy and attach up to 2 each turn are enough, you don't need to save energy, but rather add some additional abilities to your deck.

[MrMeches]

Originally Posted by ShadowGuard

@ MrMeches

I didn't intend to bash anyone, I just don't want you to play uneffective cards. A discussion board is there to tell your opinion, and this is mine about Heatran. Maybe my kind of expression and the last sentence were a bit harsh, but therefore I put a smiley behind it. =)

But now back to the topic, why do you need Heatran to save energy if you can recover it with Super Connectivity? Even Electivire SW is easier to build up and helps more.

Of course Heatran can be useful in some situations. I could play Potion, this is also very useful in some situations. But you have to look what's better for your deck, since you have only 60 deck slots, 3-5 bench slots and limited setup capacities. And if you could have things like Palkia Lv.X, Electivire, 1-0-1 Dusknoir or other stuff with similar efforts, why choose Heatran? Magnezone doesn't have energy problems with the new one from Stormfront. The facts that you can switch around your energy and attach up to 2 each turn are enough, you don't need to save energy, but rather add some additional abilities to your deck.

Sure I get that.. but saying it is uneffective is exerting your opinion on someone. Heatran is very effective in my Zone list as I don't want to put Damage counters on my own pokes! I ran Electivire for 2 BRs and Heatran, IMHO sets up just as easily for me! This is my point.. what works for you may not work for someone else, but saying it is ineffective is a bit strong.

Heatran is also a very nice counter to the Mirror match! There are uses for it and it also depends on how you play your Zone decks! My zone focuses on the Damage spread techique with paralysis while I am building the CLeaner on the bench! Some use the str8 forward hitter, ssu, wash repeat!

GL with yours, hope we can play head to head!

Fish

[plebeianprint]

Originally Posted by ShadowGuard

One thing to say - Heatran Lv.X in a Magnezone deck is just stupid. Actually some of the most terrible things you can play in this deck.

thanks. i really appreciate it when people that don't know me, or haven't played my deck call my post stupid. it's very open minded of you. there are many styles of play, and just because one is different than yours doesn't make it stupid.

and yes. i attack with magnezone x. i will assume that is another stupid move on my part.

[baby mario]

If any deck can be played in different ways, it's Magnezone. There are 3 very playable Stage 2s (and another on the way), plus a terrific LV X. Too much choice, if anything.

Palkia and Heatran both bring something to the deck. People need to try both for themselves and find out which one works for them in their area. Anyone who won't even try a card cos someone on teh internets says it's 'bad' is just hurting themselves.

I still prefer Palkia though ;-).

[gallade]

dusknoir kills this

your bench
mag-clay-tech-mag-mag
then
tech-clay-mag