Deck Tier list

[Shadow-Bario]

So I have been looking for a tier list for a while.. just cause I think its good info to know where your deck falls in the big scheme of things.. even tho most lists arent the most accurate.

I couldnt find one.. so I am deciding to make my own.... I dont know all the different decks out there, because I know there are alot, so let me know which ones are left off and where they should go.

Also, another thing I have noticed, is that the margin between tiers are very very slim. I tier 2 deck could lay waste to a tier 1 deck that isnt played well.. in my opinion.....

anyway. thats about it... let me know what you think
ps.. the decks arent in any specific order

Tier1
kingdra
AMU
Machamp
Ttar
Sceptile/leafy+variants
Scizor/Cherrim
Magmortar/Heatran
Galatic
Ghost/Tina

Tier2
Tortera
Giggas
Magnezone
Rampardos
Poison
Metagross
Frosslass
Eevelutions

Tier3
some rogue decks

[Bippa201]

First, this is the wrong forum

secondly, usually tiers are in a triangle formation. The top has the fewest members

This is what I think it should look like
1. Galactic Decks
2. Kingdra
3. Rampardos
4. Dusknoir
5. Tyranitar
6. Regigigas
7. AMU

Tier 2
8. Giratina varients
9. Torterra
10. Scizor/Cherrim
11. Machamp
12. Blaziken/Heatran
13. Plain Toxicroak/Skuntank
14. Magmortar/Heatran
15. Empoleon varients
16. Amphy/tric

Tier 3
17. Eeveelutions
18. Yanmega varients
19. Froslass varients
20. Rapidash/Heatran
21. Infernape/Heatran
22. Scizor/Cherrim/Shaymin
23. Magnezone
24. Metagross
25. Raichu
26. Mightyena/Skuntank

[Shadow-Bario]

what forum would this go in

[Bippa201]

probably the cards forum

[Shadow-Bario]

oh. ok. thanks though

[Ra2xse]

Galactic decks BDIF? Not yet, there isn't enough good SP pokemons out, yet. Galactic's is now in a tier 2, Good Player can out play them in the beginnign and then roll over later, with T-tar, Gigas, Ampharos or Kingdra.

[EeveeLover]

Moved to the proper forum.

[vegitalian]

Don't forget Blascatty...

Tier 1 or 2.

With the right build it can set up fast so imho it should be tier 1... I don't see how this has to be a triangle formation when there are probably a ton of forgotten tier 2 and 3 decks from this list. Tier 1 should be anything that has a good shot at taking Provincials/Nationals/Worlds

[DarthPika]

Originally Posted by Ra2xse

Galactic decks BDIF? Not yet, there isn't enough good SP pokemons out, yet. Galactic's is now in a tier 2, Good Player can out play them in the beginnign and then roll over later, with T-tar, Gigas, Ampharos or Kingdra.

I wouldnt be so quick to put G decks in tier 2...

[Regis_Neo]

Why not, I'll do one also:

(in no particular order mind you, just by tier):

Tier 1
Kingdra
Torterra
AMU
Machamp
Regigigas
Dusknoir and/or Gengar

Tier 2
Scizor/Cherrim
Tyranitar
Magnezone
Giratina varients
Galactic/SP
Eeveelutions
Heatran and friends
Empoleon and friends
Ampharos/Manetric

Tier 3
Frosslass spread
Rampardos
Yanmega spread
Raichu
Other random decks or ones not mentioned

Kingdra I still feel is king still for the large part; unaffected by Dialga G Lv X and only having to deal with weakness from Amphy/Manetric (which I don't see getting played as much as everyone says), it's still powerful. Torterra is underrated by many, and definitely deserving of tier 1; I can throw them at you all day and attack for usually less than you, while taking any hits courtesy of Shaymin Lv X.

Galactic/SP and Amphy/tric, I will never list as tier 1 until they prove themselves. There are many ways to easily beat Galactic decks, along with their low HP. Amphy/tric I feel is overhyped, and doesn't do enough damage, having to accept a 2HKO for most things.

For the rest of the list, that's how I listed them based on what I've seen/played against and overall what seems to be doing good.

[SPARTA]

This is pointless, this will need to nothing but arguments and fighting.
There is little point in rating states decks BEFORE any of the state championships have occured, because the simple fact is that no one can truly predict what will win in an area by area basis.

Let us imagine that, for example, Gigas was the best deck in the format. Would that mean anything to you if Rampardos and Dusknoir were rampant in your area? Of course not. You might then be better off with Leafeon Weavile to counter your area, even though Leafeon Weavile would most likely normally be tier 2 or 3.

Rating these decks before states, once again, will only lead to fighting and spam, perhaps we should change this into a discussion about the various metagames you expect to see in your area?

[prodigal_fanboy]

This is what I think it should look like
1. Galactic Decks
2. Kingdra
3. Rampardos - disagree, plays out to be an inferior Kingdra, game after game.
4. Dusknoir
5. Tyranitar - debatable now that the meta isn't so dark-weak.
6. Regigigas
7. AMU

Tier 2
8. Giratina varients
9. Torterra
10. Scizor/Cherrim
11. Machamp
12. Blaziken/Heatran
13. Plain Toxicroak/Skuntank - def Tier 1 unless you have a bad list.
14. Magmortar/Heatran
15. Empoleon varients
16. Amphy/tric

Tier 3
17. Eeveelutions
18. Yanmega varients
19. Froslass varients
20. Rapidash/Heatran
21. Infernape/Heatran
22. Scizor/Cherrim/Shaymin
23. Magnezone
24. Metagross
25. Raichu
26. Mightyena/Skuntank

[baby mario]

Originally Posted by Bippa201

10. Scizor/Cherrim

. . .

22. Scizor/Cherrim/Shaymin

I wonder why anyone would add Shaymin to the deck when it makes it 12 places worse off? ;)

Anyway, here's my attempt, in no order within the tiers.

Tier 1

Kingdra
Regigigas
G Decks
T-Tar

Tier 1.5

Torterra
Dusknoir
Amu
Machamp

Tier 2

Scizor/Cherrim (with or without Shaymin)
BlastCatty
Rampardos
AmphyTric

Tier 3

Giratina
Blaziken/Heatran
Magmortar/Heatran
Empoleon varients
Eeveelutions
Magnezone
Blissey/Weavile/Darkrai

Tier 4 and lower

All those weird combo decks that try and make something good from cards like Raichu and Dustox

I think it is pretty close from Tier1 - Tier 2, and think that any of those decks could be competitive on any given day. Even a Tier 3 deck could sneak a win with luck, if played well.

I wonder how many more posts it will be before someone starts spamming about an SD?

[lolganium]

teir 1:
Kingdra
Gigas
G deck
blastcatty?
ttar

teir 2:
dusknoir
torterra
machamp
rampardos
amyphy/manectric

teir 3:
AMU
blaze
giratina.dec
empy
porygon z
magnezone
scizor/cherrim (it sucks with or without shaymin)
magmortar

i dont think theres really much point in any other teirs after 3, generally cause people are interested mainly in teir 1

[Spavie]

Tiers are rarely accurate. Decks have so many facets that it's impossible to rank them correctly. Actually, there is no correct way to rank them. There are good decks and bad decks, (Regigigas vs T2 Corsola or something) but it really depends on what people are playing. If an Abomasnow deck was in a tournament against lots of Toxicroak/Skuntank decks, or whatever it is that Aboma has a good matchup against, it would do FAR better than against the same number of Torterras or whatever.

If I were to enter a tournament and I knew that half the people there were playing Machamp I would not say "Oh, I'll play Regigigas because it's tier one and Machamp is only tier 2.75, so I should win." No. I would say "Okay, I'll play Toxicroak so that I can abuse weakness and avoid Machamp's first attack." (Actually I would say something dumb like "I'm gonna play Beedrill because I like the color green" but that's because I'm a bad player)

But to list decks that I think are generally a good choice to play if you have no clue what the metagame is:
Regigigas
Kingdra
T2 Corsola

[ashinto]

wut about straight. scizor. i tested it, and a straight scizor deck always beats a scizor/cherrim deck.

[SPARTA]

No it doesn't....
Scizor Cherrim can one shot Scizor, regular Scizor needs 3 PP/2 PP and 1 Bucks to one shot back, otherwise you turn on Scizors body and still fail.
Think before posting.

[chetabear]

teir 1:
Gigas :colorless
blastcatty
dusknoir

teir 2:
Kingdra
machamp
rampardos
amyphytric :lightning
PUMA
empotina varients
galactic

tier CRAP:
Grass varients

[elekid_957]

^so SP decks don't exist?
mine:
tier 1:
galactic decks
kingdra
shaymin variants
blastcatty
dusknoir
a REALLY GOOD gengar

tier 2:
empoleon
dusknoir
gigas
rampardos
giratina variants
AMU
T-Tar

tier 3:
raichu
amphytrick
randomness

[DarC]

Tier 1

Kingdra
Regigigas
Dusknoir
Machamp

Tier 2

G (Palkia Spread) Decks
BlastCatty
Rampardos
AmphyTric
G (ToxiTank) Decks
Blissey/Weavile/Darkrai
Blaziken/Heatran
Raichu

Tier 3

Scizor/Cherrim
Giratina
Magmortar/Heatran
Empoleon
Magnezone
AMU
Tyranitar
Sceptile/leafy+variants
Gengaar (No Dusknoir)
Yanmega/Bronzong/Froslass Varients

[Shen]

Originally Posted by Spavie

Tiers are rarely accurate. Decks have so many facets that it's impossible to rank them correctly. Actually, there is no correct way to rank them. There are good decks and bad decks, (Regigigas vs T2 Corsola or something) but it really depends on what people are playing. If an Abomasnow deck was in a tournament against lots of Toxicroak/Skuntank decks, or whatever it is that Aboma has a good matchup against, it would do FAR better than against the same number of Torterras or whatever.

If I were to enter a tournament and I knew that half the people there were playing Machamp I would not say "Oh, I'll play Regigigas because it's tier one and Machamp is only tier 2.75, so I should win." No. I would say "Okay, I'll play Toxicroak so that I can abuse weakness and avoid Machamp's first attack." (Actually I would say something dumb like "I'm gonna play Beedrill because I like the color green" but that's because I'm a bad player)

But to list decks that I think are generally a good choice to play if you have no clue what the metagame is:
Regigigas
Kingdra
T2 Corsola

Posts like this make me wonder if people actually know what a tier list is. There's so much arguing saying that individual match-ups make up a tier list. Just because a high tier deck like Gigas, has a bad match-up with a lower tier deck, such as Rampardos, it doesn't mean Gigas should be any lower. Tier lists are NEVER based on individual match-ups, because there's always a counter of some sort. In fact, if they based on individual match-ups, then a fool proof deck would need to be at the top. Also, comparing one deck to another is by no means detailing match-up.

In your defense, Spavie (Actually, that last paragraph wasn't really directed completely towards you lol), you're right to say they're not really accurate. Individual match-ups do affect the way decks are tiered, for example a card with a terrible match-up toward the entire metagame will never see play and no one will ever pay enough attention to it to rank it accordingly. But also, the metagame differs so much in other areas, and, like I said, there's always a counter for something somewhere. We'd need to poll the entire board to get an accurate one. People also don't pay appropriate attention to bottom tiered and rogue-like deck's, so there's often too much room for argument there.

It's so early anyways, because tournament rankings always have an impact on people's experience, and we've yet to hit states. In the end, a Tier List should never decide for you what you're gonna play.


Anyways, I'll give a shot at a tier list based on my own opinion:

Tier 1

Kingdra
Regigigas
Machamp
Dusknoir
AMU

Tier 2

T-Tar
Gengar
Galactic
Torterra
Rampardos
AmphyTric
Magnezone

Tier 3

GardyGallade
BlastCatty
Eeveelutions
Spread Variants
Magmortar
Giratina
Empoleon
Raichu
Scizor
Shaymin Varients
Mightyena

Anything else I think is still playable, but bottoms out and doesn't quite make it up there without some sort of surprise :/ Like, I wouldn't be surprised if something like Blissey made an apperance, but with the lack of it showing up in the tournament seen (At least in my area) I wouldn't know how it does... But it very well might stand up at states.

[mario1]

I think that Amphytric is being downplayed TOO much now at tier 2. Now I'm not an extreme advocator of Amphytric because I too am a LITTLE skeptical but I believe it is one of those tier 1.5 decks.

Blastcatty again I don't agree with some of the posts in the sense that it is tier 3 I think at best it is tier 2/2.5.

Kingdra and gigas in tier 1 is great! Love it! Agree with it!

[TheDarkTwins]

You can't put decks that haven't done ANYTHING in Tier 1, it just doesn't work. You can't be certain how well a deck is going to do until it has seen some legitimate play. Secondly, Rampardos, (which is a new deck) will not be Tier 1. Fossil Pokemon have NEVER, EVER been legitimate contenders ever. I think most of the list are kind of funny, because they make no sense at all. I am happy that most seem to have Kingdra, but after that I think a lot of the list are really shaky in some aspects. There are a few decks that are indeed tier 1, but most have some tier 2 decks in tier 1 and vice versa.

Drew

[mario1]

Originally Posted by TheDarkTwins

You can't put decks that haven't done ANYTHING in Tier 1, it just doesn't work. You can't be certain how well a deck is going to do until it has seen some legitimate play. Secondly, Rampardos, (which is a new deck) will not be Tier 1. Fossil Pokemon have NEVER, EVER been legitimate contenders ever. I think most of the list are kind of funny, because they make no sense at all. I am happy that most seem to have Kingdra, but after that I think a lot of the list are really shaky in some aspects. There are a few decks that are indeed tier 1, but most have some tier 2 decks in tier 1 and vice versa.

Drew

I agree but this is simply a prediction for Amphytric. I think if ran by the right person it will be tier 1.

[ShadowGuard]

Tier 1:
- good Galactic decks
- Giratina/Mesprit Disruption decks
- Machamp
- Dusknoir
- good rogue decks not known yet

Tier 2:
- Blaziken/Heatran
- AMU
- Regigigas
- Rampardos
- average Galactic decks
- Empoleon Control
- Amphatric
- Kingdra
- new Plox variants
- Scepterra
- Tyranitar
- Beedrill swarm

Tier 3:
- Blastcatty
- Gengar
- Abomasnow spread
- Scizor/Cherrim
- Eeveelutions/Glaceon
- Magmortar
- Magnezone
- Mightyena/Skuntank (but this isn't even tier 3 imo)



few comments:
- I listed decks tier 1 that already have done well at competitive PL-tournaments.
- I didn't see Amphatric, Rampardos and Scepterra topcutting or winning several matches, however, I think they can be tier 2 with a good list.
- Blastcatty is slow and more dependant on powers than any other deck in the format. It doesn't have a single positive matchup vs tier 1 and tier 2 decks, not even Blaziken (tested!).
- Kingdra is never still tier 1. Machamp and Galactic are almost equally fast, and Kingdra has the lowest consistant damage output in the metagame. With so many > 60 HP basics, it doesn't donk that often, and donking was the factor that raised Kingdra from a standard meta deck to a tier 1 deck at BRs and CCs. In addition, with all that power lock and hand disruption, Kingdra will get huge problems. If it wasn't one of the fastest and most consistant decks, it would even be tier 3 in this metagame.