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Topic: Can you take a prize against this Deck?
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Prof. Douglas Zuver
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posted July 13, 2003 12:20 PM
Here is a puzzle challenge.
Strategy-The Deck's title says it all...
Can you take a prize against this Deck?
Espeon ![[ROFL]](graemlins/roflmao.gif)
The Vanish Deck
4 Abra Rocket set
4 Aipom Neo Set
4 Tenacool Fossil Set
3 Alakazam
4 Professor Oak
4 Computer Search
4 Misty's Wrath
4 Scoop Up
4 Super Scoop Up
4 Pokemon Center
21 Psychic Energy
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"A pokemon's true power is found within."--Mew (Pokemon the First Movie)
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Dendrobatida
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posted July 13, 2003 12:25 PM
Doug,
I loved talking about this deck with you at Origins, but I've got to wonder, Alakazam? You've got no way to get there...Maybe the Movie Promo Entei, with that nifty runaway power. Also choice might be a chansey, to absorb a few blows, scrunch it up, and then get scooped up. Further fun could be had with clefairy doll and mysterious fossil. No prizes to be taken there...
Cheers,
Jake Burt
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Dendrobatida
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Noccromancer
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Prof. Douglas Zuver
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posted July 13, 2003 12:32 PM
Very nice ideas...
We could start a whole new
approach to Pokemon with these
decks... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Looking forward to seeing you
at Gen Con
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"A pokemon's true power is found within."--Mew (Pokemon the First Movie)
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Dendrobatida
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posted July 13, 2003 12:40 PM
Oh, by the way all, the intent of this deck isn't to win the match, necessarily, either by decking or other means. The challenge posed by Doug is to take a prize before this deck eliminates itself from the field of battle.
Cheers,
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Dendrobatida
Ersatz creator of
Noccromancer
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Winner: Most 'rogued at Origins...and proud of it.
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New Edition
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posted July 13, 2003 01:53 PM
I see abras and Alakazams in the deck but no kadabra or a pokemon breeder (at least ) . What the heck with that (Not even Brock's ninetails )?
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Omega Ant
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posted July 13, 2003 02:04 PM
How about this . Using Erika's perfum , I'll lure down basic pokemon from your hand and then make sure I'll have a heymaker to ko in one hit one of them (base hitmonchan and his special punch will be perfect here ).
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Omega Ant
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posted July 13, 2003 02:06 PM
Using pokemon that know amnesia I will disable the attacks that make the defending pokemon shuffling himself and then build that pokemon to 1 hit KO the defending .
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Omega Ant
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posted July 13, 2003 02:10 PM
I'm sorry I'm writing so much but just one more thing . Using lass and imposters I'll make sure you won't have those scoop ups to put away your benched pokemon and then shuffle the active (I can also use dark flaaffy and his first attack ).
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Arthas_Zero
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posted July 13, 2003 03:40 PM
um, i got a real stupid question...
whats the point of having Alakazam in there when u have no breeders?
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Prof. Douglas Zuver
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posted July 14, 2003 07:10 AM
Omega Ant, I congratulate your Strategies ![[bow]](graemlins/bow.gif)
As far as Espeon leaving Breeder out of the
Vanish Deck, I am very doubtful that it was
a mistake. Psychic Pokemon tend to be rather
competive at times. Recall Pokemon the First
Movie were MewTwo wants to prove it is better
than Mew... Anyway, the Vanish Deck should end
the game during round one or two if played
correctly.
Take Care,
Doug ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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scyther428
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posted July 14, 2003 07:55 PM
Actually, it will be easy to get a prize if you use Erika's Jigglypuff...put a Double Colorless Energy on it...and puff, 40 damage(you can add some pluspowers too). And Blaine's Arcanine will kill it too...there's no running from Blaine's Arcanine when you don't have Energy Removals/Super Energy Removals.
Could this be the answer?
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Scyther is fast, but not as fast as Scizor.
Scyther is strong, but not as strong as Scizor.
Scyther has a few attacks, but Scizor has more attacks.
Scyther is a Grass Pokemon, Scizor is not(HAHAHA!!!)
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Porygone3
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posted July 15, 2003 03:53 AM
Sabrana's Abra Engery Loop. 20, 40 to Abra.
Voltorb From the Rocket Set. 20, 40 to Tentacrul.
Base Machoke. 20, 40 to Aipon.
All part of my common only deck.
There you go.
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Erica total 24, thats right, 24.
Dunsprace total 41.
I've gotten 98 on that Machoke at work game. I beat Driving Corasola.
I almost beat the record in Hold Down hip hop. I got 2000 or so in Kinglers day. I got 7 in Rapadash's dash. Butterfree's Flower Power 4700. 123 In Jumping Dodoro. My all foil deck is finished.
"I've got floating engery."
"I've got counter productive Powers."
"One heart can make a diferance."
"Rock the world baby, rock the world."
"Roll out!!"
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Dan the Pokeman
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posted July 15, 2003 08:25 AM
This challenge is extremely simple to reach:
Your opponent simply builds something that will do 30 damage, then waits for you to put a Tentacool into play, then GOW it and KO it. No problem.
Oh, you say you're going to use Alakazam's Pokemon Power Damage Swap to put 2 damage counters on Tentacool, and then use Tentacool's Pokemon Power Cowardice to return it to your hand, thus ridding yourself of 20 damage and preventing the GOW/KO? Sorry, that doesn't work. Straight off the card: "This power can’t be used the turn you put Tentacool into play...".
2nd option: Build something that will do 80 damage (not too difficult these days; Sneasel, 'Gatr, 'Cargo, Chansey, Blaine's Arcy, heck even a Wiggly with 2 PlusPowers attached) and GOW up anything on the Bench, including the 'Zam.
Don't mean to be rude, but this wouldn't even stand up to the old Damage Swap decks with Mr. Mime and Chansey. You've got nothing to stand up front; everthing is designed to hide. When you send Aipom back to your deck, what are you going to put in the Active position? There are only 4 possiblities: Abra, Alakazam, Tentacool or another Aipom. None of them is desirable.
You also don't have any way to replenish your deck, other than Aipom, which won't do much.
And this is all assuming you add either Kadabra or Pokemon Breeder so you can actually get Alakazam in play.
Unless, of course, you actually intend to lose intentionally, either by decking yourself with your 4 Oaks and 4 'Wraths, or by Benching yourself by Scooping Up a lone Basic before your opponent has time to draw a prize. That is certainly possible.
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Dendrobatida
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posted July 15, 2003 11:40 AM
Dan,
losing intentionally, and as quickly as possible, is precisely the point of the deck.
Cheers,
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Dendrobatida
Ersatz creator of
Noccromancer
Member of team Reverse Holo Dunsparce.
Winner: Most 'rogued at Origins...and proud of it.
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Dendrobatida
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posted July 15, 2003 11:42 AM
Perhaps an even better challenge would be: "Can you lose against this deck?" ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif)
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Dendrobatida
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Prof. Douglas Zuver
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posted July 17, 2003 08:36 AM
Tentacool
Pokémon card
LV. 10 #72
30 HP
Basic Pokémon
Weakness: {L}
Resistance: n/a
Retreat cost: n/a
Pokémon Power: Cowardice At any time during your turn (before your attack), you may return Tentacool to your hand. (Discard all cards attached to Tentacool.) This power can’t be used the turn you put Tentacool into play or if Tentacool is Asleep, Confused, or Paralyzed.
{W} Acid 10
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Abra
Pokemon card
LV. 14 #63
P
40 HP
Basic Pokemon
Weakness: {P}
Resistance: n/a
Retreat cost: {C}
{P} Vanish Shuffle Abra into your deck. (Discard all cards attached to Abra.)
{P} Psyshock Flip a coin. If heads, the Defending Pokémon is now Paralyzed. 10
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Aipom
Pokémon card
LV. 18 #190
{C}
40 HP
Basic Pokémon
Weakness: {F}
Resistance: {P} -30
Retreat cost: n/a
{C} Pilfer Shuffle Aipom and all cards attached to it into your deck. Flip a coin. If heads, shuffle a card from your discard pile into your deck.
{C} Tail Rap Flip 2 coins. This attack does 10 damage times the number of heads. 10x
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Prof. Douglas Zuver
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posted July 17, 2003 08:42 AM
quote:
Actually, it will be easy to get a prize if you use Erika's Jigglypuff...put a Double Colorless Energy on it...and puff, 40 damage(you can add some pluspowers too).
scyther428, you definately have the right idea.
You Must take a prize on your first turn.
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Prof. Douglas Zuver
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posted July 17, 2003 08:46 AM
But if the Vanish Deck goes first,
can you stop it?????
Espeon ![[cloud9]](graemlins/cloud9.gif)
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posted July 17, 2003 10:55 PM
Pretty simple if you draw an abra with no energy cards :-D Any psychic that can 20 damage will kill it instantly.
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scyther428
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posted July 18, 2003 03:21 AM
Like they all said, just use a Gust Of Wind, and your deck is screwed completely. No matter who starts first, if I have a Blaine's Arcanine, I say you are in for some serious trouble.
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Scyther is fast, but not as fast as Scizor.
Scyther is strong, but not as strong as Scizor.
Scyther has a few attacks, but Scizor has more attacks.
Scyther is a Grass Pokemon, Scizor is not(HAHAHA!!!)
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Prof. Douglas Zuver
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posted July 19, 2003 05:23 PM
Below is a sample of a typical Game League
day with the Vanish Deck. Bring a sense of
humor with you and everyone is sure to laugh
along with you...
My opening hand is Abra, Misty's Wrath,
Tentacool, Super Scoop Up, and three
of those Alakazams which are rather useless
without Pokemon Breeder
We flip to see who goes first.
I get heads.
I put Tentacool upsidedown on the table as
my opening Pokemon.
Both my opponent and I put down prizes.
We flip our Pokemon over.
I draw a cards thereby starting my turn.
(Important to remember)
I use Tentacool's Pokemon Power:
Pokémon Power: Cowardice At any time during your turn (before your attack), you may return Tentacool to your hand. (Discard all cards attached to Tentacool.) This power can’t be used the turn you put Tentacool into play or if Tentacool is Asleep, Confused, or Paralyzed.
I pick up Tentacool.
The Game is over.
My opponent has lost the Challenge:
They failed to take a prize.
I get 1 point for a game loss, and my opponent
gets 2 points for their game win.
I look for a new opponent.
We set up after I lose the coin flip.
I have Aipom, 2 Scoop Ups, 1 Purple Energy,
1 Professor Oak, and Abra in my hand.
I put down Abra.
My opponent has Cleffa active and a Hitmonchan.
My opponent attaches an energy to Cleffa, and
Eeeeeeeks, hoping to find a pokemon that is not
weak to Psychic.
I play Scoop Up.
The game is over.
My Opponent has lost the challege.
They failed to take a prize.
I get 1 point for my game loss, and my opponent
gets 2 points for their game win.
Meanwhile, my first opponent has been calmly
shuffling their deck knowing that my second game
wouldn't last very long.
So, my first opponent wants a rematch.
We set up, and I win the coin flip.
I have Aipom on the table.
My opponent has Tyrogue.
I want to Play Misty's Wrath, Computer Search...
but don't have them. I also don't have Scoop
Ups. I have three Super Scoop Ups, and three
Alakazams. (An awful hand)
I draw a card to start my turn, and get
Tentacool. (Which I don't want now)
I flip tails on all the Super Scoop Ups.
My opponent attaches an energy to Tyrogue and
flips tails.
My turn, I draw an enery, and attach it to
Aipom. I flip for Baby Rule and get tails.
I was hoping to use Aipom's Pilfer attack
to remove it from the table which would
end the game.
My opponent, amazed that the game has lasted
a whole minute, tries again to attack with
Tyrogue. He flips tails.
My turn, I draw Misty's Wrath.
I play it and find Computer Search.
I search for Misty's Wrath.
I find Professor Oak and Scoop Up.
I decide to try to deck myself out.
I play the Oak, Misty's Wrath, 2 Computer
Searches, Misty's Wrath, and Oak...
I have decked out, but I must wait another
turn to win the Challenge. I decide not
to use Aipom's Pilfer Attack because I hope
to end the game by decking out.
My opponent tries to attack with Tyrogue
and flips tails again. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
I cannot draw a card.
The game is over.
My Opponent has lost the challege.
They failed to take a prize.
I get 1 point for my game loss, and my opponent
gets 2 points for their game win.
I now have 3 points to my credit and lots of
people who want to play me next...
![[Bounce]](graemlins/jump.gif)
[ July 19, 2003, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: Prof. Douglas Zuver ]
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Prof. Douglas Zuver
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posted July 19, 2003 05:58 PM
quote:
Doug,
I loved talking about this deck with you at Origins, but I've got to wonder, Alakazam? You've got no way to get there...Maybe the Movie Promo Entei, with that nifty runaway power. Also choice might be a chansey, to absorb a few blows, scrunch it up, and then get scooped up. Further fun could be had with clefairy doll and mysterious fossil. No prizes to be taken there...
Cheers,
Jake Burt
I think your version is even better than mine.
See you at Gen Con,
Doug and Espeon
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Mori
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posted July 20, 2003 08:46 AM
How about Mr. Fuji? I think it's not a bad
idea to play it. It may shuffle even the Pokemon
on the bench, so You don't have to worry even if
You even have any
[ July 20, 2003, 08:47 AM: Message edited by: Mori ]
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If you have nothing to say,
shut up.
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bulbasnore
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posted July 20, 2003 11:18 PM
Ha ha! This is fun.
Mori, good! For sheer disappearance, much better than this...
-3 Alakazam (can't be played, does not contribute to theme)
+3 Sabrina's Gastly {Fade Out}
Sure, it takes two psychic energy to power but...
-It is resistant to TyROGue
-1st attack can paralyze the opponent.
-Has a chance to KO as it turns out the lights.
Active 'rogue
O: Attach, Smash Punch, whoops, resistant, go
U: Attach, go
O: Aargh!
U: Attach, heads, FADE OUT, 30, KO, return to hand, ![[Dubious]](graemlins/dubious.gif)
Lone R. Mewtwo
O: R. Mewtwo active, attach P, go
U: S. Gastly active, attach P, LICK 10 doubled, heads, paralyzed, go
O: Aargh!, go
U: Attach P, FADE OUT - does 30 doubled, KO, return to hand,
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BLizzard
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posted July 21, 2003 03:09 PM
I made a modified version of this deck
I call it
Bill's Vanishing Act
8 Pokemon
4 Aipom
4 Tentacool
36 Trainers
4 Mysterious fossil
4 trader
4 Mary
4 Bill
4 Bill's Teleporter
4 Bill's Maintance
4 Mail from Bill
4 Scoop up
4 Super Scoop up
16 Energy
I used Psychic but you could use anything I'd like to find 1 more Poke that can vanish but from what I can tell there aren't any more in Modified
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