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Strife126
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posted May 15, 2002 04:12 AM      Profile for Strife126   Email Strife126    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Charzilla, i dunno if i'm the one u are blaming for suggesting an Alakazam deck with only 1 Alakazam or it was the post a couple posts above ours. if it was mine i never suggested that. if u mean the post with "1 Abra and 1 Alakazam", it just meant to take out 1 Abra and 1 Alakazam, leaving the deck with 3 Abras and 2 Alakazams! sure, 2 is still not enough for a deck based on Alakazam, but no one would suggest playing just 1! that's like making starter decks or something.

Light-Umbreon - ur last version was better than ever! even Psyburners, Damage Swappers, Mind Gamers, and Softboilers. although in getting that ideal pokemon line-up u lost the draw power of Cleffa, i think u have ways of getting past that. don't think twice now about using Kadabra as an attacker. i only suggested it coz i thought u might drop MP Mewtwo, and since it's the only other pokemon with a solid attack. i agree MP Mewtwo is way better for that.

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posted May 15, 2002 12:49 PM      Profile for Light-Umbreon   Email Light-Umbreon    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
thanx for liking my new changes. I gotta print this decklist and bring it to league this sat. b4 the tourney.

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posted May 15, 2002 01:12 PM      Profile for Werner Jr Quevedo   Email Werner Jr Quevedo    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
this deck needs...metal nrg (or maybe metal pokemon) slow down your opponent also using mewtwo(absorb metal)
However i hate this stall deck [NoNoNo]

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posted May 15, 2002 01:28 PM      Profile for Light-Umbreon   Email Light-Umbreon    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
do you mean this deck or all stall decks??? in any case, uc an't just say "i don't like this deck because it's stall". you fix it, not diss it. and everybody else seems to love the deck, especially if it DOES become an archtype.

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posted May 15, 2002 02:25 PM      Profile for Tyranitar666   Email Tyranitar666    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
first a few reasons this wont work...1, not enough of a damager. Alot of decks will run anti powers to beat slowkings, and now its near close to be entirely unviable. Plus we add Big Fire which is GAME OVER entirely. It OHKOs anything you throw out against it and it is sure to be one of the biggest played decks. Im sorry but I dont feel Alakzam will work...slowking hurts d gust, but its still not enough.
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posted May 15, 2002 03:49 PM      Profile for Light-Umbreon   Email Light-Umbreon    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
the hamburglar stole my pobably offensive message..OH NO!!! [Wink] (That's the last time i leave a post next to a happy meal) [Dubious]

[ May 15, 2002, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: Light-Umbreon ]

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posted May 15, 2002 05:29 PM      Profile for Xeodus   Email Xeodus    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Calm down, Light-Umbreon. You're coming off very rude there.

>u ever here of focus band??? ooohhhh....big fire....oooohhhhnnnnnooooo.....it won't be that hard to beat.

Focus Band is still on a 50/50 chance. You have just as much of a chance to survive with the help of it as you don't.

>with no trainers via slowking, pichu being virtually inefective(swap), no power denial will work so don't make comments on that("power denial will hurt this deck").

Muk is already looking to be a hot deck. Who knows what people will combine it with. How will you handle a speed muk w/ an extremely powerful attacker? Speaking of attackers, your deck really DOESN'T have a large attacker...

>So witw is the problem??? I'm not a n00b, t-tar, so it's about time u stop acting like i'm one. I KNOW what i'm doing. I'm also sorry I have origninality, unlike some people.

Where did he excuse you of being a "n00b"? He's only trying to help you with a deck, like you asked of everyone. By posting a topic, you are asking for help from everyone, not just specific members.

No one said you didn't know what you were doing, either.

For the originality comment... do you know exactly who Tyranitar666 is? Have you heard the name Chris Fulop? Chris Fulop is a player that went to the Columbus GC, playing what would have thought to have been just a LUDICRIS deck (Neo 3 Kingdra + Rocket's Scyther), and won an entire division with it. beating Feraligatrs, Crowbats, and Big Fires along the way to 1st place. Chris Fulop is Tyranitar666. His brother, The Qt Bomber made the Sabrina's Haunter-deck popular. How can you call any of this unoriginal? I say before you make certain comments, that you do make sure they are facts.

Calling someone 'really dumb' is very immature. He's just helping you with your deck, don't feel so insulted. You posted this for advice on your deck, and he gave VERY logical advice. Chris does know what he's talking about. He is, what, 3rd in Ohio? with a 2000+ DCI? Not saying at all you are not, Light-Umbreon. If you don't like the advice, just let it be, and don't make remarks that will be difficult to take back.

edited some of the quotes for content. Or lack there of

[ May 16, 2002, 09:00 AM: Message edited by: BJJ763 ]

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posted May 15, 2002 06:25 PM      Profile for Light-Umbreon   Email Light-Umbreon    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I'm sorry, but he's implying that this deck can be completely destroyed by big fire, and he hasn't justified why he says this. I know I got mad, but he was REALLY dissing the deck, and if he is so original, why is he dissing my original deck??? I just don't like his negative attitude towards my deck. That wasn't help, he just said "This deck will be nuked by fire" and was done. No suggestions, no "maybe it could work, I'll have to test it". Just a big diss. So that's why I got mad. I'm sorry too. I'll edit the post but he better not say a deck doesn't work if he hasn't tried it. Most decks that look good on paper usually don't work in the long run. So i'm sorry, t-tar for getting upset, but just don't blatantly say "this deck will get anihlated by ___" without saying why. Cuz it could very well beat big fire...ya never know....i just can't wait until this deck can be tested. and REALLy sorry for the originality comment. I hope we can be friends........anyway, is your sm jvcbt??? ur always unavailable. I understand ur trying to help, but please be nicer about it. And i think the cards u say "are dead" could very well be due to a comeback....slowking counters have slipped out of decks...

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posted May 15, 2002 09:16 PM      Profile for Xeodus   Email Xeodus    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Would you consider someone saying "Big fire owns Meganium" to be a diss to meganium decks? He's not dissing your deck. He's pointing out a deck that WOULD infact cause much harm to your deck. There is no negative attitude there. He said "Im sorry but I dont feel Alakzam will work". He makes points by saying the deck might not be viable in some spots.

Against Big Fire, it does hurt. Most Big Fire decks are fast, and your attackers aren't powerful enough to clean out a big fire deck thoroughly. Anti-power decks REALLY DO hurt you. If you encounter a muk deck, good luck.

He did make very good points on why the deck wouldn't work, you can't get offended by that. He's not saying your deck is "garbage", but eventually someone will, whether it be here, or IRL. How are you going to handle that?

>I'll edit the post but he better not say a deck doesn't work if he hasn't tried it.

Why does it need to be tried to come to the conclusion in won't work in some spots? We can look at Slowking, and Alakazam, and how it would deal with the "big decks" after testing the "big decks" in the attack phase, and we can see how it would work. It could beat Big Fire, but it's gonna have trouble. A lot of trouble. Typlhosion, Magcargo, and Blaine's Arcanine CAN take out everything there in one hit. Entei + Magcargo and Blaine's Charizard decks will be your biggest threats in the fire category.

Slowking is on it's death bed though. Muk is about to be re-released, and we all know Muk will be EVERYWHERE. It shuts down slowking, and makes it useless in many cases. Many decks don't play Slowking with it's proper energy.

Just understand he's not dissing, or 'dawging' your deck at all. By saying the deck will take much damage from Anti-power and Big Fire, I don't think that's an insult more than it is a notice...

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posted May 16, 2002 01:50 PM      Profile for Light-Umbreon   Email Light-Umbreon    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I was just trying to say the deck could possibly beat big fire and power denial, such as a muk/ichu deck wouldn't work bcuz muk gets damaged each time pichu uses zzap.

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posted May 16, 2002 04:40 PM      Profile for Ninetales2000      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
quote:
I'm sorry, but he's implying that this deck can be completely destroyed by big fire, and he hasn't justified why he says this.
Well, actually he has. Tyranitar666 has mentioned that they will OHKO each and every one of your Pokemon - which is very well true. Big Fire's strengths are speed and power, which is a huge danger to your deck. Also, you mentioned Focus Band. While it is a great card, it is only a 50-50 chance of surviving. And since Alakazam is a Stage 2, you'd probably have Kadabra at the same time they have Magcargo... an unfair comparison.

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I know I got mad, but he was REALLY dissing the deck, and if he is so original, why is he dissing my original deck???
Well, if I made a deck with Dunsparce, Caterpie, and Corsola, would it be dissed? Chances are likely. Just because a deck is original does not mean it is good, or it works.

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I just don't like his negative attitude towards my deck. That wasn't help, he just said "This deck will be nuked by fire" and was done. No suggestions, no "maybe it could work, I'll have to test it". Just a big diss.
But it was true, and you can't quite change that without destroying the strategy. I bet you wouldn't want him to scrap a major part of the deck. Take my Caterpie/Dunsparce/Corsola deck, for example. Can you fix that without scrapping a major part?

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So that's why I got mad. I'm sorry too. I'll edit the post but he better not say a deck doesn't work if he hasn't tried it.
He's speaking from experience. Take the Dunsparce/Corsola/Caterpie deck - do you have to test it to see if it works? [Wink]

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Most decks that look good on paper usually don't work in the long run.
That's not neccesarily true. Before Revelation was released, it was predicted that Crobat would be a major force to be reckoned with - providing that the translations were correct. And Blaine's Arcanine was argued to be a great card the first time Modified was announced.

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slowking counters have slipped out of decks...
Well, take into consideration that Pichu are in every deck that doesn't run Pokemon Powers... due to Big Fire, Pichu will be a very popular card.

As for your deck, I'd suggest something other than Alakazam. It is slow, has a poor evolution line, high retreat, and relatively high retreat. How about Espeon? It's a good option.

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posted May 16, 2002 06:24 PM      Profile for Light-Umbreon   Email Light-Umbreon    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
witw u talking about??? I'm sorry, but u(ninetails) and t-at are implying this deck stinks and well, it doesn't...I'm sorry this deck has 1 weakness. and witw would i have kadabra there active??? why would cargo be working w/o typhlo??? I'm sorry, but this deck rocks, and how dare you compare it to corsola/caterpie. It's NOT bad. It will win a lot...just watch. witw do you mean "other than alakazam???" That's what the decks based around. if it's so weakened by big fire, i'll play friggin' venucenter. the reason i play zam is to AVOID weakness to fire. And stop treating my deck like it's some n00b deck that stinks. there's one thing seriously wrong with the game: narrowmindedness. Everybody in tourneys goes with the herd, before it was gatr, now it's fire...sad really, and when a person makes a viable deck that could beat this and other decks, people don't accept it, play a copied deck, win, and then their winning hopes are diminished hopefully by an original deck. So? Big fire could beat it possibly. BIG FRIGGIN' DEAL. instead of fixing, u guys say, "it's horrible" when it's not. I'm not playing a caterpie/omastar deck here, this deck WORKS.get it??? just because t-tar says a deck doesn't work it's true??? is the ultimate authority on everything?? i think this deck has a good chance at many victories in tourneys. So what if big fires common??? I should either metagame or play it myself.....is that it??? This game was supposed to be fun but just turned into a bunch of people only caring about wins. The only honorable ones are with decks u made yourself. So i don't understand why all these people are defending decks and members like i'm some ranting n00b, it's annoying. I'm not a conplete idiot. I KNOW what a good deck is. I would say more, but it would get offensive, and i'de prolly get in trouble. I make good decks and know how to play them. So don't just say use a different idea or something. that's only for bad decks, which this is not. A lot of people think this deck will work. So why can't it??? there is none. Slowkign might not be as used, but it's not dead. pichu???? witw??? SWAP people. oh...zzap damage??? oh well, just SWAP it off to chanset and pkmn center. ALL GONE. Big fire??? psyburn twice, bye bye cargo.

edited - abbreviating that phrase is not allowed. Please don't use it again.

[ May 17, 2002, 04:53 AM: Message edited by: BJJ763 ]

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posted May 16, 2002 10:19 PM      Profile for Xeodus   Email Xeodus    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
>I'm sorry, but this deck rocks, and how dare you compare it to corsola/caterpie. It's NOT bad. It will win a lot...just watch.

He wasn't comparing the deck to Corsola/Caterpie... he was making an example. That's ALL.

>Everybody in tourneys goes with the herd, before it was gatr, now it's fire...sad really,

I go to DCI tournies weekly. I'm ranked 14th in michigan (which in just about everyone's opinion, along with SoCal, and NY, is the greatest location of competition). I am quite involved in the community. I've played Gatr once, and hated it. Big Fire really isn't that "big" anymore anyway... but that doesn't matter.

and when a person makes a viable deck that could beat this and other decks, people don't accept it, play a copied deck, win, and then their winning hopes are diminished hopefully by an original deck.

Look at Dark Muk... Brian Gurta and Brian Six presented the decks first. they were EXTREMELY VIABLE. Gatr players came to accept that this was a phenom. The brian's had to take originality in the play there. Neither Ttar666, me, or Ninetales2000 said your deck sucked. Please stop placing words in our mouths.

>So? Big fire could beat it possibly. BIG FRIGGIN' DEAL.

You posted this looking for opinions didn't you?

>i think this deck has a good chance at many victories in tourneys.

You are trying to make this deck out like it's the best deck there is... yet you have NEVER tried it. You are accusing us of never having to deal with the deck, yet you haven't played it in a large tournament either.

>So what if big fires common??? I should either metagame or play it myself.....is that it???

People are saying Big Fire will hurt the deck... add things to the deck to handle big fire quickly, and strongly. Simple as that.

>This game was supposed to be fun but just turned into a bunch of people only caring about wins.

Let's go back to a quote: "i think this deck has a good chance at many victories in tourneys."

This is what you care about with this deck. You have intentions to bring this deck to a tourney and you very well may go 6-0 and take 1st in Top 8 at the largest DCI in your state... but that would be your purpose attending the tournament, if I'm not mistaken just by how you are saying things.

>So i don't understand why all these people are defending decks and members like i'm some ranting n00b

Nobody called you a "n00b". Nobody considers you a "n00b". at least between me, Ninetales, and from how I see it, Ttar666. I defended Ttar666 because you BLEW UP on it just for giving very logical advice about your deck.

>I make good decks and know how to play them. So don't just say use a different idea or something.

Nobody is calling you a bad deck builder EITHER. AGAIN, you posted this topic for advice, and you got advice. Do you just want everyone to say "your deck is AWESOME! the greatest!"? Cause it seems if anyone says anything any different, you get quite offended.

Slowkign might not be as used, but it's not dead. pichu????

We can see the future of this game Light-Umbreon. Players will find a way to play Muk with Pichu, and it WILL hurt your deck... how do you manage to come back against something like that? give a good reason too, please, without being having such a braunch approach.

>Big fire??? psyburn twice, bye bye cargo.

Have you ever had to deal with a TOUGH Entei + Magcargo deck? It's not that easy...

Why can you not accept that we have opinions? You obviously do not LIKE the opinion that Big Fire will hurt the deck, but why are you blowing up about it? Maybe you should take the opinion to heart, and look at it closer than "I can just damage swap". If Typlho hits you with a Flame Burst heads, you are knocked out in one hit. This goes for Slowking and Alakazam. Magcargo just needs 3 energy to do 80 damage. Blaine's Arcanine is your BIGGEST threat, because a 2nd turn blaine's arcanine with proper deck structure and proper drawing will REALLY damage the deck. Maybe you SHOULD look at this spectrum. You don't seem to be doing this though. You just keep saying "I'll just swap and Poke center"... Blaine's Arcanine can prevent that alakazam from ever coming out.

Look, no one is insulting your deck. Please get over this. Neither me or Ninetales said your deck is terrible.

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posted May 17, 2002 07:41 AM      Profile for Strife126   Email Strife126    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
i totally agree about making ur own original decks. making original decks is tough, specially for me, coz i always try to make decks with cards not commonly used coz i don't have much rares. prolly, when i roll in a little money, i can start buying cards i need, instead of relying on boosters.

but anyway, everyone who has posted here has in a way tried to help ur deck. it is a good idea, but it can encounter serious competition. Big Fires especially can trouble this deck. Xeodus, Ninetales, and T-tar have all been trying to help u overcome this weakness. they were only trying to help, but helping in the sense that they were saying what u need to fix in the deck, instead of suggesting their own fixes.

let me try too. sure, Big Fires are hard. but if u just add some tech cards, it could be eased a bit. how bout Igglybuff against Typhlosion, or Qwilfish or Mantine against Magcargo? if Mr. Mime will come out, that's even better.

and another thing, pls don't think that all original deck ideas will be appreciated. i mean, i can think of about 10 new ideas for a deck, make them, post them on this board, and not have all people appreciate it, if anyone. it's just because archetypes are rampant in the league, and their sheer power makes it difficult for other decks to compete against. some players do not think much of original decks coz they know archetypes can easily defeat them. so what? just make a deck u like and play it, even if u are defeated by archetypes. and in this situation, at least u are getting help. most no one replies when i post my original decks.

just try to think of ways to go past Big Fires, like what everyone has been trying to tell u. they're just trying to help, that's all.

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posted May 18, 2002 09:54 AM      Profile for charzilla   Email charzilla    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Greetings Light-Umbreon,

Things really got crazy I see since we last
spoke.Try to remember something I taled about in
a post way back on page one where I said you MUST
respect things people reply with even if you do'nt
agree with it!I don't agree with some of the thing
said to you about the deck you want to try but we
all have our own opinions and you must try to at
least respect theirs.You do not have to use them.
I did not get to see yours but you must have
really went off about something.I did see the ones
after.
I do not agree with some of the things said
about the deck but sometimes players reach levels
of skill and lose those memories of where they
were back before they reached those levels.I know
this as I have watched my own son get to that
point or skill level that he sometimes forgets he
was not always at this level.My son is 11yrs.old
and is ranked 1st in Pa.His current DCI rating is
down to 1815 after he lost to someone who was 300
DCI points lower than him.I think he was 1865 at
that time.Since that loss my son has played the
very same mod.deck against the person who beat
him that day and has beat that deck every time.
This,if nothing else,shows that on any given
day anybody or any deck MAY beat any other deck.
It also proves that no matter what someones
DCI rating is,or who he/she is,they do not know
everything.Sometimes I wish my son never would
have found out his DCI ranking.He played for a
long time at 1865 at 10 yrs. old in 1st in Pa.and
didn't even know it.Once he found out he changed
quite a bit.His head got big and he too now has
what I refer to as his public relation people who
go around reminding every one who he is and how
good he is.I dislike this as his head just gets
bigger.But he is getting better finally about it.
A loss in a DCI tourney to an opponent with
300 less points tends to humble you a bit.
Anyhow just play YOUR deck and see how it
does.There area lot of things that come into play
such as skill level of your opponents there,local
meta-game,which is something none of us who don't
know the area or league can predict,and other
things too!This is one reason why I will not say
your deck or most any deck can't win a tourney!
If this event is a Gym Challenge or Stadium
Challenge then some things I have said would have
been different,but I did not believe this to be
the case.
Anyhow good luck with YOUR deck and I would
be interested in hearing how it went,good or bad!
If you would like to do this privately for
any reason you can e-mail me at [email protected].
Again,GOOD LUCK! [Big Grin]

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posted May 18, 2002 03:43 PM      Profile for Light-Umbreon   Email Light-Umbreon    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
thanx. I'de just like to put the old arguement to rest and let people comment on the deck. I'm almost done getting all the cards(I think I have about 15 cards to go...) and I am sorry to evrybody who was offended by my madness from a post I took the wrong way. Anyway, Charzilla has a point. Although I'm a pretty experienced player, some other experienced players aren't as nice and tend to get big headed. I'm not saying that some of the posts over this arguements had been nice, but I just got mad and i'm sorry for that. I'de still like any further comments on the deck, because I need to add more draw power and babaies(cleffa is both..sorta [Razz] ) But what should be taken out. With scoop up being released, do i really need blissey???? With just chansey I can REALLY abuse scoop up. So here's the second version.

21-Pokemon
3-Abra(base)
1-kadabra
3-Alakazam
3-Slowpoke(Neo)
3-Slowking
3-Chansey(Neo4)
2-Blissey
3-Mewtwo(LC)

27-Trainers
4-Elm
4-Bill
4-Pokemon Center
3-Baloon Berry
2-Focus Band
2-Double Gust
2-Breeder Fields
3-Breeder
2-Scoop Up
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12-Energy
12-Psychic Energy

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posted May 18, 2002 03:43 PM      Profile for Crazy Random      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
26
3 abra
1 kadabra
3 kazam
3 cleffa
3 chansey
3 mp mewtwo
4 slowpoke
4 slowking

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4 elm
4 bill
3 pokemon centre
3 focus
3 ballon
3 challenge!
3 breeder
3 trader

10 psy

This might work but i suggest putting in double gust so you get to choose who you wanna doulbe edge

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posted May 19, 2002 06:40 AM      Profile for Light-Umbreon   Email Light-Umbreon    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
seems OK,l but 10 energy??? Couldn't I just take out blissey out of the newest version and add cleffa?? it adds drawpower and the needed baby-pokemon rule. I'm trying to think of a cargo counter, but mantine seems a lot better than quilfish EVEN w/water energy costs. How about this???

20-Pokemon
3-Abra(LC)
1-kadabra
3-alakazam
3-Chansey(neo4)
3-Slowpoke(neo)
3-Slowking
1-qwilfish
3-Mewtwo(MP)

25-trainers
4-elm
4-bill
4-pokemon center
2-focus band
3-baloon berry
3-breeder
2-scoop up
2-double gust
1-Time Capsule

15-Energy
15-Psychic energy

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posted May 19, 2002 07:01 AM      Profile for Strife126   Email Strife126    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
i don't think u need 4 Pokemon Center now that u have Scoop Up. take 1 out, add 1 more Qwilfish, Focus Band, or probably even 1 rouge Cleffa.
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posted May 19, 2002 02:46 PM      Profile for charzilla   Email charzilla    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I will try to get more to you later.I just got
back from league and I am HUNGRY!
For now though did I miss something.Chancey
double-edge??Did I read the list wrong?
Also Light-Umbreon,love the good attitude and
determination your showing trying to get YOUR
deck ready!! [Big Grin]
I will continue to help as soon as I can.I do
have some ideas. [Big Grin] [Cool]

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posted May 19, 2002 03:33 PM      Profile for Pyrokinesis      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I give you kudos for making such an original deck, and even better keeping a good repute when your temper got out of hand. One Q for ya: MP mewtwo is fast; we can agree on that in Unlimited, but how're you going to get energy in the discard? I don't think there are any trainers in the Neo block which discard cards from the hand. Just a little bit of reflection ( [Confused] ), no offense intended.

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posted May 19, 2002 03:50 PM      Profile for Light-Umbreon   Email Light-Umbreon    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
yeah. that's one of the big problems...I try not to think about it.. [Wink] ......still I think I maight add light golduck. it's a good attacker AND it can counter fire AND get out of psychic weakness and the resistance to psychic that most pokemon have. So Here's the new version:

24-Pokemon
3-Abra
1-kadabra
3-Alakazam
3-Slowpoke(Neo)/(Fossil)
3-Slowking
3-Chansey
3-psyduck(promo)
3-Light Golduck
2-Cleffa

24-trainers
4-elm
4-Bill
3-pokemon center
2-Scoop Up
3-baloon berry
2-focus band
2-double gust
3-Breeder
1-time Capsule

12-Energy
12-psychic energy

what do ya think??? I think more energy is needed, as well as more breeder fields. W/O cards that discard energies for energy absorbtion. golduck is basically as fast as two. with this golduck line though comes need for more space. maybe -1 slowpoke, -1 slowking, -1 cleffa for + 3 psy energy??? i'm not sure....

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posted May 19, 2002 05:16 PM      Profile for Pyrokinesis      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Try taking out the Scoop Ups for a 'Mon Center and another Psychic Energy.

I'm getting pretty good feedback for not even seeing people playing in modified. [Razz]

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posted May 19, 2002 07:11 PM      Profile for Strife126   Email Strife126    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
man u are saturating ur deck with Pokemon evo lines and trainers. ur energy can't breathe!!!

since u put back Cleffa (good call!), take out prolly 1 Elm and 1 Bill. add those 2 to Psychic energy. of course, u could always take out the Slowking like u said (2/2) but that's calling it too close

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posted May 19, 2002 07:12 PM      Profile for charzilla   Email charzilla    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Wow,

You sure are searching for the right cards!
That is meant in a good way,by the way!
Golduck line eh?Well if you are really going
to try this line have you thought about Dark Duck?
You will lose 20 HP compared to the Light,but
it is the same speed,hits for 50 not 30(you won't
be able to take advantage of the special nrg part
that often,and for 1 nrg it can help alot with
your draw power.It will much a much bigger hit
against that fire you are concerned with.That's
100 compared to 60 to fire.
I am not suggesting you change to the Duck
family,just giving you some options.Hideout takes
you to 80 HP but then you need to free up other
spaces for them so........well as I said just an
option.
Don't dismiss MP Mewtwo too quickly!
We still didn't get around to overpaying the
cost of retreating to get those nrg's in the
discard pile.Not the best way but it works plus
unfortunately pokemon do get KOed and some will
get there then,making MP a good mid-game hitter.
Keep doing what you are doing and you will get
there eventually!
[Big Grin]
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