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Topic: Toxic BiKing (mmf rogue ehh Shrew?)
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Pokenaut
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posted July 29, 2002 11:49 AM
Last Saturday I made top 8 in a mf format Tournament where most eveyone had agreed to play a mmf deck. Losing the first round of top 8 to a deck with Slowking made me realize how powerful the 'King would be in MMF as most succesful mmf decks run MORE drawing trainers than the mf format as the strength of the draw has lessened. Also, since the number of Slowking decks has dwindled in my metagame barely anyone techs Iggly much lately (though that may soon change) I have played Slowking in a LOT of strange decks, but haven't done any in a while. Here's something similar to Slowking/Dark Muk but a tad slower (what mmf deck ISN'T slower save for Entei-fires)
Toxic BiKing
4 Nidoran
2 Nidorino
3 NidoKing
3 Slowpoke
3 Slowking
3 Cleffa
1 Unown A
19 Pokemon
4 Elm
3 Trader
2 Bill
2 Breeder
4 Double Gust
4 Gold Berry
3 Balloon Berry
1 Lucky Stadium
1 Energy Stadium
1 Time Capsule
25 Trainers
7 Grass Energy
3 Psy Energy
4 Rainbow Energy
2 Full Heal Energy
16 Energy
Simple...Hit 'em with Toxic for the 40, and keep them from getting out of it easily with trainers. Double poison will quickly add up, and without fire weakness Nidoking rocks. If my opponent is playing MY weakness, then by God, I WILL power up a Slowking and mess with them that way.
Oh...and by the way...WHY on EARTH do I have an Unown A in the deck?...think man think....
Leave a spot open on the bench....they have brought out that doggone Promo Mew to screw up my Evolution-only deck....Play the Unown on the bench spot, stick a Rainbow energy on it and hit the Mew for 40. Dead Mew on Lily-Pad. ![[Evil Smirk]](graemlins/Up_to.gif)
Ideas and comments welcome. Please help with Stadium mix especially.
'Naut
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[ July 29, 2002, 12:09 PM: Message edited by: Pokenaut ]
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mercad
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posted July 29, 2002 11:59 AM
um yeah i have an idea how bout u take out the slowbro and add slowpoke that might make it so u can evolve
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Pokenaut
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posted July 29, 2002 12:14 PM
Ahhh Mercad....subtle sarcasm is most welcome here. ![[Blush]](graemlins/blush.gif) Don't know what I was thinking when I wrote Bro rather than Poke, but at least you didn't waste your time actually providing any helpful information on making the deck better.
![[Bored]](graemlins/dozey.gif) Lord knows you have better things to do with your time than just trolling around looking for posting errors.
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haymaker
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posted July 29, 2002 12:50 PM
4 Nidoran
1 Nidorino
3 NidoKing
3 Slowpoke
3 Slowking
3 Cleffa
1 Unown A
19 Pokemon
4 Elm
3 Trader
2 Bill
3 Breeder
4 Double Gust
4 Gold Berry
3 Balloon Berry
2 Energy Stadium
1 Time Capsule
25 Trainers
7 Grass Energy
4 Psy Energy
3 Rainbow Energy
2 Full Heal Energy
16 Energy
From: Sint-Oedenrode,the Netherlands | Registered: Dec 2001
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Pokenaut
Member # 189
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posted July 29, 2002 01:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by haymaker:
4 Nidoran
1 Nidorino
3 NidoKing
3 Slowpoke
3 Slowking
3 Cleffa
1 Unown A
19 Pokemon
4 Elm
3 Trader
2 Bill
3 Breeder
4 Double Gust
4 Gold Berry
3 Balloon Berry
2 Energy Stadium
1 Time Capsule
So your only change was going to one stage one and adding a breeder....and going to two Energy Stadium. Rocket's Sandshrew has recently taught me that always depending on Breeder isn't smart, and having the extra Stage one helps Trader's odds. Also, having a turn-two Nidoking that can't attack is kinda useless. So I will keep my ratio the way it is for now. Lucky Stadium can really help with extra draw too.
I am NOT saying the deck is perfect as-is. Will know more after playtesting tonight anyways.
'Naut
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Drakeo
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posted July 29, 2002 01:15 PM
![[Love]](graemlins/love.gif) Nidoking (Nidoking=My fav pokemon)
hehe, Toxic, I like it. A couple of problems though...
1. Dark Gengar would eat this for breakfast, you'll have to do something about that ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
2. Toxic costs (G)(G)(G), 7 energy probably isn't enough.
3. You might want to add an unown M in case of steelix, Toxic will hurt him alot, but not before he takes down a Nidoking or two.
Other than that it's great, the trainers just need a little work. BTW Unown A is a pretty cool idea ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
-1 double gust
-1 lucky stadium
-2 bill
-1 rainbow energy
+1 trader
+1 energy stadium
+2 grass energy
I'm not sure what to do about dark gengar ![[Confused]](confused.gif) I'll do some research and see what I can come up with...
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Rocket's Sandshrew
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posted July 29, 2002 09:24 PM
Looks cool...what I'd do first of all, is drop breeder entirely. What's the difference between a turn 2 and turn 3 nidoking?
Not much really...the turn 2 nidoking's just harder to set up.
Neither can attack till turn 3, so why go thru the hassle?
-2 Breeder
+2 Nidorino
They're right...with only 7 grass energies, you're gonna have energy problems a lot...I'd drop the rainbow energies and the FHE (Not much status really...) and change your count up to 12 grass and 4 Psy Energies.
Without rainbow, the unown A thing won't work really...so I'd drop it for fossil/LC gastly. for P they do 20 and paralyze the mew...that's vicious.
Drop both your current stadiums for broken ground gyms. They'll help skrew your opponent while they're poisoned, and is even more anti-mew.
I think the rest is good...here's my list:
4 Nidoran
4 Nidorino
3 Nidoking
2 Cleffa - Aak...just no room!
3 Slowpoke
3 Slowking
1 Gastly
12 Grass
4 Psychic
4 Elm
4 Trader - I upped the count...with no breeder you play more pokemon = this card's more useful.
3 Bill
3 Double Gust
3 Baloon Berry
4 Gold Berry
2 Broken Ground Gyms
1 Time Capsule
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Good Job. :)
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BronzeGrowlithe
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posted July 29, 2002 09:40 PM
Neo 3 Sneasel will take care of Lily Pad Mew AND Dark Gengar. Just a friendly suggestion... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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From: Indianapolis, IN | Registered: Feb 2002
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Pokenaut
Member # 189
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posted July 30, 2002 05:37 AM
Shrew;
I like the ratios of your trainers, and dropping the Breeders and reducing the Double Gusts and Balloon Berries to three apiece will allow me to do what you suggest. Removing the Rainbows does affect the deck more though. The way I see it, the deck has 11 Grass Energy possible using the Rainbows and 7 Psy Energy possible if I use the Rainbows. Since the ONLY reason for using all of the Rainbows as Psy would be to power up a Slowking to attack another Psy deck, odds are I would not want to use the Rainbows as both Grass and Psu in the same match.
As far as dropping the Unown, I originally was going to use for tecH the psychic Egg that allows me to do 20 and sleep with no flip using grass energy. 20 and Paralysis is better, but I probably won't change the Unown until playtesting has given me the satisfaction of wiping out aq few Mew and seeing that look we all love so well (shooot..I wasn't expecting THAT)
BronzeGrowlithe:
Why not educate us all and explain your reasoning behind Sneasel being the answer to Dark Gengar and Mew.
So, for now the changes will be:
-2 Breeder
-1 Double Gust
-1 Balloon Berry
-1 Energy Stadium
-1 Lucky Stadium
+2 Nidorino
+2 Broken Ground (I agree...should help)
+1 Trader
+1 Grass Energy
anyone else?
[ July 30, 2002, 05:49 AM: Message edited by: Pokenaut ]
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PsycoDad
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posted July 30, 2002 07:29 AM
Naut,
Most of the obvious stuff has been stated already. A similar deck took 2nd at Collectable investments MMF tourney 2 weeks ago. King squared (slowKING/KINGdra) took 1st 2 weeks in a row at Great Oaks. Yes, king is strong in MMF but not unbeatable. Schrew is right, breeder does not make sense in this deck. If you had a 1 or 2 nrg (dark blastoise/dark ttar) attack or a cool pokemon power (dark gatr) then it works. A sneasal or two won't be enough to save you against a good psy deck. You would need at least 4 psy resistant pokes like smeargle, crow, or sneasal to have any hope against a good psy deck. Frankly, no one is playing psy in my metagame. Broken ground may help some but I thought it only worked on basics. I have dropped gyms from my king decks for extra capsules and/or speed.
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From: Shelby, Michigan | Registered: Aug 2001
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Pokenaut
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posted July 31, 2002 12:35 PM
I will drop the Stadiums for playtesting tomorrow and increase the Poke/King count accordingly. This should speed setup. When I got the Slowkings out the deck was wicked in initial playtesting. I cannot WAIT to see my opponent set down their first Lilypad Mew.
'Naut
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