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Topic: Rogue will win Origins... I guarantee it.
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ShuckleGod
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posted June 15, 2002 08:18 PM
My potential Origins deck in the making. I made it at 2 in the Morning Friday night and played it in a DCI tourney with a 1928 ranking on Saturday... Go me. I have faith in this Deck. NO ONE knew how to fight this deck. That's the true beauty. I went 4-2 in Swiss, Losing only to Rocket's Sandshrew, playing the only electric deck in the tournament, and having the most AMAZING draws ever... And to a Cookie Cutter Crobat, who I should have beaten, given that my Focus Band worked. So without further ado, I bring you PIDGEOT.
Pokemon (20)
4 Pidgey (never attack with him... needed for...)
4 Pidgeotto (Mirror move with Focus Band can be cooler than you know. And Needed for...)
3 Pidgeot (God of Modified. Well Sort of. In an Environment ruled by stage 2's, and Pokemon that need many Energy. Not much can Stop it. Major Disruption)
3 Eevee (1 ND, 2 Promo, FTK a Cleffa with a Dark, and used to get...)
2 Umbreon (Main Attacker, Cleans house after a Hurricane, and Just a solid poke that can attack everyone for decent damage)
4 Cleffa (only baby I play, so I play 4, and with all the evos, helps big)
Energy (15)
4 Dark (Umby Fuel)
2 Rainbow (see Dark)
4 Recycle (easy switching between Umby and Pidgeot which I do often, and a nice energy Supply)
3 Full Heal (Crobat, Dark Gengar, what have you)
2 Potion (Yes, this card got me out of so many Jams because no one saw it coming.)
Trainers (25)
4 Elm (staple)
3 Wrath (huge drawing)
3 Pokemon Trader (get that cleffa with an opening hand full of evos)
4 Double Gust (HUGE part of the deck, biggest guy, with most energy, he's outa there, then IOR and sick Umby on em)
4 IOR (Blow your Gatr with 3 energy back to your hand, you play totodile with an energy, say go. Oh, your hand is now 4 water energy, My heart is in pain... ![[Evil Smirk]](graemlins/Up_to.gif) )
3 Focus Band (had to cut it down to 3 to save space, I usually only put em on Umbreon, cuz Pidgeot is never active long enough to take any damage)
2 Rocket's Minefield Gym (Hurricane, play Totodile, take 20, Feint attack...)
2 Nightly Garbage Run (since I run no basic Energy, I can wrath away all the pokemon I want and get em back)
Strategy is clear (I hope). When it takes you 3+ turns to repower your evo that just got Hurricaned, that gives you plenty of time to reak havoc with Umbreon. When a deck down 3 Prizes, facing 3 fully powered Crobat's, can come back,a nd take the game to 1 prize each and almost to the Time limit... I'd say we have a good deck... Any Suggestions, comments, flames from Yorkers ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) , questions, etc. are all appreciated.
See you all at Origins... ![[Devilish]](graemlins/diablo.gif)
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Another proud member of York Comics league, Parma, OH.
List of Bizarre Rogue decks played in DCI tournies (tourney record):
-Alakazam/Steelix (7-0) (7/27/02) (1st place)
-Ampharos (3-2) (7/20/02) (10th place)
-Mew/Electabuzz (3-3) (7/13/02) (5th place)
-Ampharos (2-2-1) (7/6/02 Origins)
-Nidoking (2-3) (6/29/02) (8th place)
-Light Jolteon (3-3) (6/22/02) (8th place)
-Pidgeot (5-3) (6/15/02) (3rd place)
AIM: ShuckleGod
DCI: 1856 (7/17/02)
~Show your true skill. Be Unique.
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mercad
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posted June 15, 2002 11:15 PM
i have actually played againest a deck like this except they had xatu in it... so if u want xatu would work other than that i couldnt beat it with my krowbat due to breeders curse
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TwutT
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posted June 16, 2002 02:28 AM
Maybe do like this:
-1 cleffa
+1 umbreon / pichu / elekid / igglybuff
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posted June 16, 2002 08:39 AM
Maybe you can try this:
-1 Cleffa
-2 IOR
+1 Pidgeot(SI)
+1 Umbreon
+1 Focus Band
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posted June 16, 2002 08:50 AM
Just a suggestion, drop umbreon for Jolteon. Nobody plays fighting, and if they do, you can just pidgeot them to death. Plus you can run basic energy...so NRG stadium works for you, and you can NGR something that isn't a pokemon.
So my fix is:
-2 Umbreon
-4 Dark
-2 Rainbow
-2 Potion NRG
+2 Jolteon
+8 Lightning NRG
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What? They banned slowking?
Good Job. :)
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ShuckleGod
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posted June 16, 2002 09:02 AM
Hey, thanks for all the suggestions guys, I'm probably going to try every possible varient that I can for the next month to see what works best.
Xatu eh? I'm assuming the ND one, but not sure on why. My real main goal here was disruption and then bench/active beatdown depending on what they have. If I run out of DG, they can build all the stuff they want on the bench without fear of Pidgeot at all. Same idea goes for Jolteon IMHO RS...
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Another proud member of York Comics league, Parma, OH.
List of Bizarre Rogue decks played in DCI tournies (tourney record):
-Alakazam/Steelix (7-0) (7/27/02) (1st place)
-Ampharos (3-2) (7/20/02) (10th place)
-Mew/Electabuzz (3-3) (7/13/02) (5th place)
-Ampharos (2-2-1) (7/6/02 Origins)
-Nidoking (2-3) (6/29/02) (8th place)
-Light Jolteon (3-3) (6/22/02) (8th place)
-Pidgeot (5-3) (6/15/02) (3rd place)
AIM: ShuckleGod
DCI: 1856 (7/17/02)
~Show your true skill. Be Unique.
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LizardOTC
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posted June 16, 2002 04:30 PM
I REALLy think you need some UNOWNS! 
The best ones would be P, A, I and N. 
Try to work those in there somehow. Other than that, the deck is brilliant!
You KNOW what I'm talkin' 'bout! 
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ShuckleGod
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posted June 16, 2002 07:42 PM
Oh my gosh, I TOTALLY forgot! Oh man! This deck will totally 0wn Origins now! ![[ROFL]](graemlins/roflmao.gif) Anyway... I don't think anyone else will get that... be expecting some "Unowns will not help that deck at all" comments. Ahh... Good times. :wipes tear from eye:
Anyway, Thanks Lizard. Think this deck could take it? Quite a few people I have talked to have fallen in love with this and are playtesting it in different parts of the country ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) . I'm about 97.341% sure I'm playing something like this at Origins. And you can bet, 1st Round I'll be paired with CJ-Mich if he's there , he'll know what I'm talking about. Hope to see you all there
[edit] Now just think to yourself... How much a deck like this would TOTALLY (hey getting catchy) mess up a deck that relies on Breeder... whoa
[ June 16, 2002, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: ShuckleGod ]
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Another proud member of York Comics league, Parma, OH.
List of Bizarre Rogue decks played in DCI tournies (tourney record):
-Alakazam/Steelix (7-0) (7/27/02) (1st place)
-Ampharos (3-2) (7/20/02) (10th place)
-Mew/Electabuzz (3-3) (7/13/02) (5th place)
-Ampharos (2-2-1) (7/6/02 Origins)
-Nidoking (2-3) (6/29/02) (8th place)
-Light Jolteon (3-3) (6/22/02) (8th place)
-Pidgeot (5-3) (6/15/02) (3rd place)
AIM: ShuckleGod
DCI: 1856 (7/17/02)
~Show your true skill. Be Unique.
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Track_Runner
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posted June 17, 2002 04:33 PM
I know this version would work better .
3 Pidgeot
4 Pidgeotto
4 Pidgey
3 Cleffa
2 Pichu
2 Murkrow
1 Tyrogue (Ampy)
4 Elm
3 Wrath
3 Bill
4 Double Gust
4 Focus Band
2 Pokemon trader
2 Broken ground gym (Get dark off babys and it will hurt your oponnet more than you)
2 Chaos Gym
2 NGR
4 FHE
4 Recycle Energy
4 Potion energy
3 Darkness energy
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general surge
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posted June 17, 2002 05:44 PM
you do know that Origins is new modified right? and there will only be 3 rounds of it. so you don't even have to find something really game breaking that will go 10-0. although my current creation is pretty darn close.
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ShuckleGod
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posted June 17, 2002 07:32 PM
Yeah, I know, this is just the MF version I've been playing at York. Turning it to MMF will only mean the loss of Wrath/IOR/ and Minefield. Meh, I can probably work it out. I really wish it was regular MF tho... With MMF not even being legal for sanctioned play yet. There's been no competetive playtesting
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Another proud member of York Comics league, Parma, OH.
List of Bizarre Rogue decks played in DCI tournies (tourney record):
-Alakazam/Steelix (7-0) (7/27/02) (1st place)
-Ampharos (3-2) (7/20/02) (10th place)
-Mew/Electabuzz (3-3) (7/13/02) (5th place)
-Ampharos (2-2-1) (7/6/02 Origins)
-Nidoking (2-3) (6/29/02) (8th place)
-Light Jolteon (3-3) (6/22/02) (8th place)
-Pidgeot (5-3) (6/15/02) (3rd place)
AIM: ShuckleGod
DCI: 1856 (7/17/02)
~Show your true skill. Be Unique.
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LizardOTC
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posted June 17, 2002 07:36 PM
Oh yes there has...
A LOT of players are testing NMF on Appr.
Perhaps we can hook up on AIm somtime to get a match going... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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"Sewage Portrayed As Meat...It's not just for breakfast anymore!" -LizardOTC
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ShuckleGod
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posted June 17, 2002 07:38 PM
Sure, well, apperantly, you're online now, gimme a buzz! Besides Apprentice, I mean without the legality of Tournament play, not much SERIOUS playtesting has been done thus far.
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Another proud member of York Comics league, Parma, OH.
List of Bizarre Rogue decks played in DCI tournies (tourney record):
-Alakazam/Steelix (7-0) (7/27/02) (1st place)
-Ampharos (3-2) (7/20/02) (10th place)
-Mew/Electabuzz (3-3) (7/13/02) (5th place)
-Ampharos (2-2-1) (7/6/02 Origins)
-Nidoking (2-3) (6/29/02) (8th place)
-Light Jolteon (3-3) (6/22/02) (8th place)
-Pidgeot (5-3) (6/15/02) (3rd place)
AIM: ShuckleGod
DCI: 1856 (7/17/02)
~Show your true skill. Be Unique.
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mysterioustrainer
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posted June 17, 2002 11:36 PM
Fairly interesting...
My question is how would this deck face off in Unlimited format. Reason being I'd like to test this deck at league next time. Would there be any changes you'd make?
Title: My idea of ShuckleGod's Pidgeot Deck in Unlimited format. (Probably my most rediculous tentative title ever)
Pokemon: 18
4 Pidgey [BS1,BS2,LGN](Maybe someday a new tinybird will hit the block)
3 Pidgeotto [BS1,BS2,LGN]
3 Pidgeot[JNG,BS2,LGN]
3 Eevee [PRM] (NDC Eevee not good for Umbreon)
2 Umbreon [NDC {holo}]
3 Cleffa [NGS]
Trainers: 22
4 Professor Elm [NGS] (Primary Closet)
3 Computer Search [BS1, BS2] (The one card thats like yahoo.com)
3 Item Finder [BS1, BS2](In case of emergency break glass)
4 Gust of Wind [BS1, BS2](Come boy, come on, come here!)
4 Gold Berry [NGS](I prefer these over focus band but your Pidgeotto might change my mind)
2 Broken Ground Gym [NDS](Stay, stay boy)
2 Full Heal [BS1, BS2] (Darkness Energy or Full Heal energy, darn that {insert special condition here}!)
Energy: 20
4 Darkness (Enough to keep Umbreon powered)
4 Double Colorless Energy (Bonus Surplus)
12 {insert name of desired type of basic energy card here} Energy (Remember, dont insert several type just because this deck is colorless, one type for early game deception)
As you can see I kept the Pokemon the same, the most powerful cards I know from BS1-FSL are trainers, these trainer greatly powerhouse the newer pokemon so take advantage of them when creating a Unlimited version to this awesome deck.
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1748 DCI Rating
Top player in state of Wyoming (Hmm. Could have something to do with the fact that the other four players in the state haven't played in over two years?)
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PsycoDad
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posted June 18, 2002 02:22 AM
Shucklegod,
I played my mmf deck last weekend @ GO in a mf tourney just to get practice. It did well.(6-2) You should try it for practice.
![[Eek!]](eek.gif) PsYcOdAd
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ShuckleGod
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posted June 18, 2002 07:24 AM
Wow, more replies...
mysterioustrainer-Unlimited format? ewww... To be completely and totally honest with you, Pidgeot will probably not fare that well. My reason being is that unlimited is an environment based on High damaging BASIC pokemon most of the time. For example, you play against some cheap, Sneasel, Scyther, Electabuzz, Gligar Deck. And say you manage to get Pidgeot going, you send it out against a Sneasel with 2 Darks, Hurricane it. Yay! You think. Then they just bench the sneasel again with another dark, and can even send it out and Fury Swipes, just because the highest damage Pidgeot can do is 20. ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif) The reason Pidgeot can fare in MF and MMF format, is because the enevironment is like 96% stage 2's. Same scenario, except with a Gatr, a Crobat, a Typhlosion, anything with a 3+ energy requirement or a stage 2 that will require 2 turns to rebuild. And in the meantime, you attack with Umbreon, wait for the evo to come back, and do it all over again.
Psycodad-You're talking about Kingdong right? I DO like Dewgong, I just don't like Slowking. I've never been a big Slowking fan, just because I can't stand to have abunch of high retreating, no energy pokemon on my bench. Sorry, it's just not my style.
[edit] oh, now I kind of understand what you mean. I guess I thought you meant that I should try your deck. The environment at York's MF tournies is Archetype alley right now, and I don't know if any MMF (except Pokenaut's the one time ) could stand up to such abuse, and it wouldn't really be viable Playtesting IMO.
[ June 18, 2002, 07:26 AM: Message edited by: ShuckleGod ]
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Another proud member of York Comics league, Parma, OH.
List of Bizarre Rogue decks played in DCI tournies (tourney record):
-Alakazam/Steelix (7-0) (7/27/02) (1st place)
-Ampharos (3-2) (7/20/02) (10th place)
-Mew/Electabuzz (3-3) (7/13/02) (5th place)
-Ampharos (2-2-1) (7/6/02 Origins)
-Nidoking (2-3) (6/29/02) (8th place)
-Light Jolteon (3-3) (6/22/02) (8th place)
-Pidgeot (5-3) (6/15/02) (3rd place)
AIM: ShuckleGod
DCI: 1856 (7/17/02)
~Show your true skill. Be Unique.
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mysterioustrainer
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posted June 18, 2002 12:16 PM
Sneasel would be something to fear but the only one in my league who even uses Sneasel is me. But your probably right that pidgeot can't stand against other hit popular favorites. Oh well it was worth a try.
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Check out my personal website. Includes my ideas for decks my own fake cards, GB Teams, links to Ebay auctions, main trading page and much, much more.
1748 DCI Rating
Top player in state of Wyoming (Hmm. Could have something to do with the fact that the other four players in the state haven't played in over two years?)
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PsycoDad
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posted June 18, 2002 06:52 PM
Shucklegod
Actually mine was a new king deck (not kingdra!) but my son did equally as well with a mmf dark blastoise deck.
[ June 18, 2002, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: PsycoDad ]
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ShuckleGod
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posted June 18, 2002 08:01 PM
ok, where were you referring to? GO? Only one I remember recently was Garden City. So when you say King, you mean Slowking?
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Another proud member of York Comics league, Parma, OH.
List of Bizarre Rogue decks played in DCI tournies (tourney record):
-Alakazam/Steelix (7-0) (7/27/02) (1st place)
-Ampharos (3-2) (7/20/02) (10th place)
-Mew/Electabuzz (3-3) (7/13/02) (5th place)
-Ampharos (2-2-1) (7/6/02 Origins)
-Nidoking (2-3) (6/29/02) (8th place)
-Light Jolteon (3-3) (6/22/02) (8th place)
-Pidgeot (5-3) (6/15/02) (3rd place)
AIM: ShuckleGod
DCI: 1856 (7/17/02)
~Show your true skill. Be Unique.
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PsycoDad
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posted June 19, 2002 04:49 AM
ShuckleGod
GO=Great Oaks - we have weekly tourneys & have a large thread in tourneys. Last week we ran a mf tourney. My son and I (along with 1 or 2 others) are playing mmf against mf decks and doing quite well.
king=slowking
Now, a question about your title, are you saying a modified current modified format archetype (gator, big fire, crowbat) will not win the mmf portion of the prof championship? Boy, it's hard to say. We have MMF versions of these archetypes and they are still viable in mmf. Based on your post, it looks like yu will be there (at the Origins). What days will you be there?
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posted June 19, 2002 06:54 AM
Yo shuck its that Raind0m kid that came in last week for 2 hours =\
I must say that Pidgeot IS a 1337 Pokemon its just that you should go with 4-4-4 line instead of Umbereon as a back up because the goal of thi deck is to go Hurricane everyone back up to the hand right?? So why not just make everyone goto the hand. Well that would lead to another problem, THE BASICS, to beat down those silly 50 Hp pokeon you could use Team Rocket's Meowth, or if all else fails you could combo it with Slowking. Hopes thi helps in some sadistic way!!!!
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mercad
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posted June 19, 2002 08:02 PM
actually xatu is a great disruption... move your energy, or return you to your hand
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"Don't be touching your little delibird"
Buk Buk
Merc: Gengar dont make me pull out the big guns
DMTM: NO! don't he's my friend
Gengar: GENGAR!
Merc: Ok! Go DELIBIRD!
Delibird: Deli... Delibird
Merc: Delibird use present!
Delibird: DELI!
Gengar: ?_?
Gengar: GENGAR!
DMTM: Looks like were blasting off again
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ShuckleGod
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posted June 19, 2002 08:12 PM
The only problem I can see that conjuring however, is the fact that after I hurricane someone, they always send out a baby. And if I were to hope for disruption from Xatu, it would require 2 flips, plus, if they were playing Psy Resistant pokes, it would just add to the mess seeing as Pidgeot can't do more than 20 damage.
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Another proud member of York Comics league, Parma, OH.
List of Bizarre Rogue decks played in DCI tournies (tourney record):
-Alakazam/Steelix (7-0) (7/27/02) (1st place)
-Ampharos (3-2) (7/20/02) (10th place)
-Mew/Electabuzz (3-3) (7/13/02) (5th place)
-Ampharos (2-2-1) (7/6/02 Origins)
-Nidoking (2-3) (6/29/02) (8th place)
-Light Jolteon (3-3) (6/22/02) (8th place)
-Pidgeot (5-3) (6/15/02) (3rd place)
AIM: ShuckleGod
DCI: 1856 (7/17/02)
~Show your true skill. Be Unique.
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posted June 21, 2002 09:23 PM
Yay Pidgeot!!!!!!!
My brother has been talking about this card for weeks and even I'm beginning to liak it more then Steelix >_<. Anyways I see the reasoning of Umby but wouldnt Steelix do aswell? [or maybe I'm just playing favourites ] cause steelix just laughs at amphys face. And Pidgeot w/Metal's on it could prove useful [elekid doing 0 ]. But I see your reasoning. Imagine IF dce is an actual promo in the colourless season, turn two hurricane with breeder! I'm beginning to love Pidgeot even more and more But Now for an actual fix :
-1 Cleffa
+1 Tyrogue [ugly ampharos ;[ ]
Well I would also like pichu in it to fry elekid but eh no room. So my beginning addiction to Pidgeot begins
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itgetsworse
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posted June 26, 2002 10:01 AM
quote:
4 IOR (Blow your Gatr with 3 energy back to your hand, you play totodile with an energy, say go. Oh, your hand is now 4 water energy, My heart is in pain... )
whats IOR. just wandering
and also whats mf and mmf, and how's it work (ive never been to a big tourney b4 but id like to go.
and 1 more thimg why is everyone sating IMO? whats it mean??
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