Author Topic: Espeon/Dark Muk 4 Gym Challenge Dark-Zapdos Member Member # 58372 posted May 09, 2002 02:51 PM            Pokemon 18 3 Espeon (Holo) 4 Eeve (Discovery) 2 Murkrow (Neo Genesis) 2 Igglybuff (Discovery) 2 Cleffa (Neo Genesis) 3 Grimer (Rocket) 2 Dark Muk (Rocket) Trainers 19 2 Rockets Hideout (Revelation) 4 Focus Band (Neo Genesis) 4 Double Gust (Neo Genesis) 3 Rockets Sneak Attack (Rocket) 4 Professor Elm (Neo Genesis) 2 Time Capsule (Neo Genesis) Energy 23 11 Psychic 8 Grass 4 Dark -------------------- Always play with a deck that looks good and u have fun playing, it just may win. 1st at Cedar Grove Sky SBZ 14th at Milford Sky SBZ 9th at Milford AQ SBZ DECKS: Poliwrath Plunge(AQ SBZ DECK)4 wins-2 loss-1 draw Poliwrath Plunge 2.0(SKY SBZ DECK) 6 wins-1 loss-2 draws including top 8 Last Player in my town and gonna be playin til there's no more tournaments in the world. Aim Mike042888 Email [email protected] From: CT | Registered: Jan 2002  |  IP: Logged Dark Ho-oh Member Member # 65055 posted May 09, 2002 08:29 PM            I dunno if it'll work. i suggest taking out 1 line. -------------------- Dark Ho-oh Founder of Team T dot. P.E.P:Proud Espeon Player NEXT TORONTO QT WINNER(hopefully.LoL) MSN:[email protected] "Beleive in the heart of the cards and they will come through for you"-Yugi Moto From: Toronto, Ontario | Registered: Feb 2002  |  IP: Logged Strife126 Member Member # 81379 posted May 10, 2002 08:30 AM             i think it could work if u have enough draw power (which u do). looks good too. but replace time capsule with Nightly Garbage Run (better IMO) -------------------- that was my 2 cents. don't steal it or anything, it's just 2 cents, nothing more... Proud Anti-Archetype... Originality rulz!!! Misty: Aw, how cute! Dexter: "Vulpix, a fox pokemon. (blah blah blah)...very strong flame attack." Vulpix: *uses flamethrower* Misty: Yes it does... *faints* From: in front of a PC admiring the new Tyranitar avatar... | Registered: May 2002  |  IP: Logged charzilla Member Member # 29423 posted May 10, 2002 11:04 AM             The 2 lines will work especially if you try 2 promo Eveees.In MMF with so many evos Eveees power will help get your Evos without really worrying as much about draw power. Here's one I have done real well with though it is much different from yours.If played wisely you can protect your different evos weaknesses, though Psychic is the only one you really need to watch for! 2 ND Eveee 2 promo Eveee 2 Holo Umbreon Dis. 2 Holo Espeon Dis. 4 Grimer (R) 4 D.Muk 1 Cleffa 1 Murkrow 3 R.Hideout 4 Erika 3 Imposter Oaks Revenge 4 Elm 3 Doudle Gust 4 Gold Berries(w/Hideouts I like them instead the bands) 2 Recycle nrg(works well with Umbreon if you get gusted or need to retreat from poison etc.) 4 Dark nrg 6 Psychic nrg 9 Grass nrg It works for me!Try it sometime if you have some time. From: pgh.pa.U.S.A. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged Gymbo Member # 30832 posted May 10, 2002 04:34 PM             Ok, seriously now, how could I NOT reply to this. I will re-cap what my testing has proven to me about Espeon, here's the pros and cons from Espeon. Hmm...with testing coming along with both Espeon and Dark Muk, I can say that this deck could work. Espeon is well, like MY Pokemon; I've spent countless hours trying to get him to work in decks, does he? Eh, not really, he just doesn't hit the level of power that Gatr, Crobat, and other broken cards are at. Now, Espeon is cool, just not to the level of winning consecutive big-time tourneys like Gatr does. Although I have to give MAD props to DrZapper (Nice job man) for doing as well as he did at the ESC with his Espy variant. The deck works in theory. However, lemme just say that Movie Mewtwo is just as, if not as impressive as Espeon. Promo Eevee (the only Eevee I'd use with any Eeveelution) grabs Espeon really fast, especially if you play a duel evo deck (like you are). However, once you have Espeon, you have to power up Espeon. Sure Psychic, is super nice. I mean it averages 40-50 damage for PPC. However, it takes 3 turns to power it up. Compare that to Movie Mewtwo. Turn two 40. Compare that to Espeon's THIRD turn 30+, that turn comes into play. I just would rather use Mewtwo over Espeon. Because if you Wrath first turn, you can just leave energy in there to Absorb. Anyways, enough of my babbling, it could go on for days and days... You have a deck, that I can look at... Pokemon 15 4 Grimer (Rocket) 4 Dark Muk 3 Mewtwo (Movie Promo) 2 Cleffa (Neo Genesis) 2 Pichu Trainers 28 4 Professor Elm 4 Misty's Wrath 4 Focus Band 4 Double Gust 4 Rocket's Sneak Attack 3 Nightly Garbage Run 3 Rocket's Hideout 2 Resistance Gym Energy 17 10 Grass 7 Psychic There you go...Enjoy! [ May 10, 2002, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: Gymbo ] -------------------- =Pokemon Professor Jim Ferrell= *AKA The Publically Acclaimed and Talented Deck Mechanic Gymbo* *Accomplished Rogue Player* *Second Place Finisher at the Ohio SBZ '03* *Creator of Espeon Decks* *Innovator of Expedition Feraligatr* *Current Project: Skyridge Analysis* DCI: 2032 AIM: XGymbo01X "Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake." From: Akron, OH, USA | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged charzilla Member Member # 29423 posted May 10, 2002 06:07 PM             Hey Gymbo, Yes I have seen your decks posted w/Espeons. They have been some nice decks and I could tell you tried hard to find the right spot for those Espy's. I'm assuming your comments were directed at Dark Zapdos version as this was his thread. I do agree that promo Mewtwo w/M Wrath can pretty consistently give you that 2nd turn Psyburn Two reasons I said some of what I did. I really like the promoEveee/Espeon combo as in MF/MMF they both are a big help for me against Double Gusts.Promo Mewtwo CAN retreat and absorb them back but it is a little bit slow. As far as my version I put up I also agree that the promo Eveee's ARE the ones to use.I think I got a bit gunshy after my son played this deck in a season ending single elim.DCI tourney. His opponent went 1st and all Chris(my son) could get for basics was 1 Promo Eveee.He got locked onto by a metal magnamite.Even after his 1st draw was an Erika he drew a Dark nrg,IOR,and grass nrg.No basics.He even had his Umby in his hand plus another Dark nrg waiting for that turn that never came.Chris is #1 DCI ranked in Pa.and the player that took the game with the 2nd turn 50 is about 300 DCI points below him!!! I guess about 50 times or so we have wondered what MIGHT have happened if he had the Neo Eveee. He at least could have used that Eveee's Poke Power for a POSSIBLE heads,letting him evolve to the Espeon in the deck,since the nrg on the promo Eveee he played was a Psychic,and the second time he attacked with bite(Eveee's and Espy's)would have KOed magnamite resulting in a reversal of the outcome. Boy you can tell how much time I spend using my brain to think about real life,huh?So many ifs! But who knows I'll probably go back to the 4 promos! Charzilla:GL and Tournament Organizer for Phantom of the Attic,Pittsburgh,Pa.15220 From: pgh.pa.U.S.A. | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged

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