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Light-Umbreon
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posted May 09, 2002 06:33 PM
Here's a new idea I came up with using the new addition to LC, Alakazam. This card has many uses. With Slowking, this deck is almost perfect. here we go:
20-Pokemon
4-Abra(LC)
1-Kadabra(LC)
3-Alakazam(LC)
2-Mewtwo(MP)
2-Cleffa(Neo)
3-Slowpoke(Neo)
3-Slowking(Neo)
2-magby/tyrouge/qwilfish
28-Trainers
4-Elm
4-Bill
3-Breeder
4-Pokemon Center
3-Focus Band
3-Baloon Berry
2-Time Capsule
3-Double Gust
2-Mary
12-Energy
12-psychic Energy
[ May 10, 2002, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: Light-Umbreon ]
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posted May 09, 2002 08:17 PM
I really don't know what your trying to do. How is this deck perfect? i really don't understand. post a stratgy or something. Anyways, the only use i see in this is Stall but as we ALL KNOW Stall doesn't work in MF/MMF(atleast arcording to T.T.O).
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posted May 10, 2002 08:32 AM
and if it is a stall where would you put all those damage counters with Damage Swap? u don't even have a Chansey (NDes) or any other damage sponge
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posted May 10, 2002 04:24 PM
Only use is stall????? Mewtwo is in there to damage. Alakazam/center for healing. Slowking brings trainer denial. It's not really stall, just all-out ownage....it covers almost every category. all that's needed is a big damager. That's what I need help with. And please, don't diss the deck or just comment. I tried it on prentice and it's good. I need SUGGESTIONS and FIXES.
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posted May 11, 2002 03:12 PM
Play me on Apprentice to test it out .
I'd try something like this ...
- 2 Magby (Or whatever you play in that spot)
- 2 MP Mewtwo
+ 2 Chansey
+ 2 Blissey
and Possibly take out a double gust for another chansey ... IMO it would work alot better .
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posted May 11, 2002 03:18 PM
the strategy isn't bad, but the deck is too slow, it starts doing somethig (if you got an EXCELLENT hand) in the 7th turn, and, you need a really big pokemon like chansey (maybe the neo destiny??) or even Wobuffet (why not? 90 hp isn't bad in modified for a basic). I would suggest to drop the slowking line and focus more on alakazam, adding these pokémons which i said.
Hope it helps!
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posted May 11, 2002 06:41 PM
It's not really slow actually...with enough draw power, evolving my pokes is inevidable. Destiny chansey might be agood idea, since if I do need damage, I can take it's VERY risky second attack. That's quite good for 3 colorless though. But I think this deck needs balloon berrys if I put in chansey. What should I take out for it????
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posted May 12, 2002 01:41 PM
oops..I guess balloon berry is already there...
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posted May 12, 2002 05:29 PM
since the re-release of muk, this deck ain't gonna work nomore.
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posted May 12, 2002 05:59 PM
sorry, but i didn't mean to diss u or ur deck. but Dark Ho-oh is right. since fossil Muk is rereleased, most Power-dependent decks will be seriously weakened. even if no Muk, there is still a threat in Pichu. if u will play it in MMF, have at least Magby
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posted May 12, 2002 06:35 PM
I'm sorry but I don't get it!How can use Zam's
Damage swap ability(which a Alakazam deck abuses)
w/o Chancey/Blissey to sway that damage to??You
cant swap damage off to the pokemon here or you'll
be sending half damaged pokemon out to fight!If
you are going to use Pokecenter to heal them,you
will lose all your energy!You MUST have Chancey/
Blissey to swap that damage to.
You made mention about a risky 2nd attack with
ND Chancey.He's not even supposed to be attacking
in a damage swap deck.You play at least 2 Chancey/
Blissey on the bench.Do NOT place energy on them!
Swap all damage to Chancey/Blissey.THEN play a
pokemon center!All damage is then removed(usually
anywhere between 100-175 or so damage now gone)
and your Mewtwos etc.will not lose all their nrg.
As long as you swapped it all off right before
you played the Pokemon Center.
You can swap some off to Slowking but this is
not a good idea IMO as if that King gets D.Gusted
and has damage that was swapped to him then he's
most likely gone,yet you need him as he is,as I
see it a major part of your strategy!
Although I would like to to try to help I can
not make suggestions here unless you can somehow
show me your direction this deck is going to go or
give me some more info on how you expect this deck
to play.I hope I am not sounding too harsh here
but I just wonder how much damage swap experience
you have.You have said the deck has won but I do
not see how it can do it consistently in this form
against tourney quality decks.I only say that as
you stated you felt this was an Archetype?That use
of that word means an awful lot.Bsically that this
is a deck that can and will beat most other decks
out there I do NOT see that here.Sorry ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
If you provide more I will try to help,IF you
want me to. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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offer.We are going to have to get this to have
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posted May 12, 2002 06:46 PM
thanx for the suggestions...here's the new deck....
23-Pokemon
4-Abra(LC)
1-Kadabra(LC)
3-Alakazam(LC)
3-Chansey(Neo4)
2-Cleffa(Neo)
3-Slowpoke(Neo)
3-Slowking(Neo)
2-Magby
2-Mewtwo(MP)
26-Trainers
4-Elm
4-Bill
3-Breeder
4-Pokemon Center
3-Focus Band
3-Baloon Berry
2-Time Capsule
2-Double Gust
12-Energy
12-psychic Energy
the focus of the deck is to leave my opponent in tight spots. After zams and kings are out, my opponent must knock out my active in one shot. Trainers could help them, but slowking's power possibly will stop them. what are they to do???Mewtwo's pounding away gleefully....that's the strategy. Do i need more drawpower?? possibly mary??
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posted May 12, 2002 06:58 PM
the problem with this deck is too slow and one big thread is 1 MURKROW and your toasted.
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posted May 12, 2002 07:12 PM
Here are your Pokemon
20-Pokemon
4-Abra(LC)
1-Kadabra(LC)
3-Alakazam(LC)
2-Mewtwo(MP)
2-Cleffa(Neo)
3-Slowpoke(Neo)
3-Slowking(Neo)
2-magby/tyrouge/qwilfish
First off, I'm sure you're figuring to use Slowking as the damage sponges because nobody powers them up anyway. Good idea, IMO.
But you've got 14 Pokemon that probably won't be attacking (the 8 Alakazam series and 6 Slowkings).
Why bother with psychics? Dump the 2 Mewtwo, the 2 Magby/..., 1 Abra and 1 Alakazam and add 3 Onix and 3 Steelix.
Make it a Steelix/Slowking deck with damage swap for kicks.
Beware of Pichu though. He'll wipe you out.
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posted May 12, 2002 07:36 PM
Hey there,now I can see some more.IMO I do NOT
recommend using you Slowkings to swap your damage
too.As I said it probably will be D.Gusted and if
that damage is laying on it from swapping it will
get KOed as the opponent most likely wouldn't have
gusted it if he/she didn't know they could take it
out!
Secondly,your entire deck(almost)is weak to
psychic!Chancey/Blissey are a heck of a wall/stall
against any psychic decks you come up against.Also
at least in my area Psychics are making a big come
back.D.Gengar seems to be responsible for much of
this here.
Many have said this deck is too slow.Well to
an extent,as is,it is a bit slow.I,m running out
of time but here's something to think about.While
I don't have time now(I am 15 minutes late already
to tell you what to remove at LEAST 2-3 M.Wraths
(also not sure if this is intended for current
modified or MMF)can EASILY give MP Mewtwo a 2nd
turn Psyburn for 40.That to me,is not slow!But 3
MP Mewtwos are my choice for how many.There are
many,many ways you can go with any deck but you
said you were looking for a big hitter that could
hit quick,and you seemed to WANT to use MP Mewtwo,
and since the deck is YOURS,not ours,I am staying
with it!Man,I got to go!!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted May 13, 2002 04:32 AM
1 word for this deck that would screw it and do massive damage Pichu!
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posted May 13, 2002 11:47 AM
If you look at Light Umbreon's last version of
his deck he did include Chanceys.Blisseys would
add to this.
Now,with the ability to swap off damage to this
combo or even just Chancey(if somehow Base Chancey
could make LC we wouldn't even be having this
discussion)how in the world do you think Pichu is
going to make a dent in this??If played right all
those Zaps for a big 20 damage will just get
swapped off those with powers to Chancey/Blissey
the Pokemon Centered into no mans land.
If you cant kill a Pichu before it can Zap the
amount of damage needed with the ability to swap,
then you better get a starter deck and get a 1st
Edition Machamp!
MP Mewtwo and a couple of M.Wraths and you can
handle Pichu.But remember MMF will lose Wrath so
that will make a difference,at least til we see if
any trainers come out of LC that will let you get
those nrg's in the discard to be sponged back up.
Oh well,we all have our own opinions.Thats all
right too!If not we might all be playing the same
decks against each other all the time!
See ya later,
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posted May 13, 2002 11:59 AM
from your new version ...
- 2 MP mewtwo (Not good in MMF cause there's no discarding cards , and no resistance gym .)
+ 2 Blissey (Awesome Combo !!! switch damage to chansey then evolvle.)
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posted May 13, 2002 12:11 PM
wait, if MP Mewtwo is taken out, who will be the attacker in the deck? Chansey can be one but without DCE and just 12 energy, it can be a problem powering it up, not including the discards for Pokemon Center. how's that?
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posted May 13, 2002 12:50 PM
'zam can attack as a last ditch effort. Blissey COULD be a good idea, but MP mewtwo is so fast....could someone give me a decklist of what the deck should look like??? I know two can get KO'd, but then what should i use??? Chansey's my damage taker.....MAYBE blissey as well....I just need space...I would take out slowking but it helped me out a lot in the game i tested it in. Should MP mewtwo be my attacker??? or should something else take his place??? because colorless might be a good idea to protect from psychic weakness instead of another psychic weak pokemon like mewtwo. Or maybe NP Mewtwo??? telekenises could go through resistance....so...who should be my big hitter??? Should I have blissey in the deck?? if so, what should be taken out for it???
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posted May 14, 2002 06:40 AM
As I have said,yes MP Mewtwo would be your big
hitter!And yes to Chancey and Blissey.They must be
there to swap the damage to.To whoever spoke of
using Chancey as an attacker,unless I missed that
Base Chancey has made the list of LC cards,it MUST
NOT be used as an attacker.These cards Chancey/
Blissey are where your damage must be swapped to
then use the pokemon center to remove ALL damage!
If you have nrg on Chancey they will be lost,
which is the exact opposite purpose of a Swap
deck!!
Now remember M.Wrath will be lost in MMF so
this will change,possibly the use of MP Mewtwo as
a good choice for you!However Track-Runner does
NOT know what all the trainers are going to be for
the new LC.So he can not say there will be no card
to help put those nrg's in the discard pile.
Also from what I have seen Track-Runner seems
to believe very highly in the use of Resistance
Gym,from some other posts I have seen.It will be
gone but I don't think it would be needed anyway
in MMF.There just IMO,arte not enough GOOD cards
that will be played in MMF to justify it use with
psychic decks anymore.Unlimited is a different
story!Or maybe if you were playing a fighting deck
it would be called for.Sure some good cards will give you trouble with resistance,such as Murkrow,
Umbreon,etc.but there are IMO not enough good
colorless cards in MMF decks yet anyhow for you
to worry about!NP Mewtwo goes great with the
S.Alakazam but we lose that too in MMF and I would
not use it here as it is very hard to get those 3
nrg's needed to use it before it gets KOed.If I
saw it I would D.Gust it as quick as I could and
most likely get it.Even banding it has not been
worth it to me in any other decks w/o S.Alakazam.
I'm sorry but I have to go to work but I will
try to get more specific as to a decklist when I
get a chance,maybe tonight.Til then just check out
everything you get from others and at least try to
consider everything given by others.If you give
respect to the ideas given to you by others they
will be much more likely to help in the future!I
am not saying you don't do that already by the way
Later,Charzilla
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posted May 14, 2002 07:12 AM
i got an idea: add more Kadabra to the deck, at least 1 more. if u will take out MP Mewtwo, Kadabra is the second best attacker in the deck. since u will only need 1 Alakazam, ur other Abras can be evolved into Kadabra to be used for attacking.
Recover is also good right after a focus band. for that, u can take out MP Mewtwo and replace with Blisseys. Kadabra can be a secondary sponge for ur damage, using Recover when it's full.
but if u will use Recover, try to have a bit more energy, even if u have Time Capsule. u don't want to be using Time Capsule at the wrong time just coz u need more energy.
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posted May 14, 2002 01:32 PM
Not trying to be harsh but.....did I really
see someone tell you that you only need ONE Zam
for a damage swap deck that FEATURES and is BUILT
around Alakazam! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
You could use 1 Alakazam in this deck but you
will not ever get to play a damage swap deck cause
you'll most likely never see Alakazam.Not with
your eyes open and you being awake and not in some
kind of dream!Sorry but that's just the truth!
If you can't play 3,or at LEAST 2 I would not
bother,especially since this seems to be something
you want to play in an MMF tourney!
What is the problem with some of you and MP
Mewtwo?As I have said with M.Wraths at least in
the current modified format you can easily get a
2nd turn Psyburn.And since we DON'T know what all
the trainers will be in LC set,wait and see.There
may very well be one that will let you throw cards
to the discard pile!
Also while Kadabra DOES have some decent fight
in him,you can't rely on it as your main hitter in
this deck.You can't get him powered any faster
than MP Mewtwo.It's not possible!Plus once one of
your Pokemon goes down an its nrg hits the discard
pile,who would you rather have to come up next for
you a MP Mewtwo with 1 nrg or a FIGHTING Kadabra
(as opposed to using it on the bench evolved to
Alakzam)with 1 nrg on IT! Mewtwo I think would win
out here.This type of thing would continue as the
game goes on,though if you do use more than 1 Zam
in the deck this should allow you to swap damage
off your MP Mewtwo's and keep them pounding.
But,as I said a long ways back this is YOUR
deck and that allows you to play whatever YOU want
not what we want!I will continue to try and help,
but I must tell you now that something I rarely do
is put up a whole deck for anyone.Being a GL as
well as just helping my son and others and by my
own playing has taught me that if you want to get
better and better,you MUST learn to build your own
decks.This does not mean to not ask for help just
that in the end you must finish the deck with info
supplied by others or learned on your own.
I used to build all decks for my son who just
turned 11.He became an excellent player,especially
for his age.Now HE builds his own decks with a bit
of advice from me,with him making the final choice
At 11 he is currently ranked 1st DCI in Pa.
And he is enjoying it much more and now likes
to help others!
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posted May 14, 2002 01:40 PM
I know kadabra can be a good attacker...but it's HP is a problem, and I can't find space for energy...(I know I took out cleffa, but i need space desprately)Let me try this:
21-Pokemon
3-Abra
1-kadabra
3-Alakazam
3-Slowpoke
3-Slowking
3-Chansey
2-Blissey
3-MP Mewtwo
24-Trainers
4-Elm
4-Bill
4-Pokemon Center
3-Baloon Berry
2-Focus Band
2-Double Gust
2-Breeder Fields
3-Breeder
15-Energy
15-Psychic Energy
I think my "no cleffa" fix saves the deck. I know it's usually an "essential", but it needs to be sacrificed. I can use other means of draw power anyway, and since I have 12 basics it should be easy to get more than one out. I still need help with the deck though. Sorry Strife26, but I can't find space for kadabra. Thanx for your tips everybody, and thanx in advance for any further tips on this deck that still needs help.
[ May 14, 2002, 02:02 PM: Message edited by: Light-Umbreon ]
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charzilla
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posted May 14, 2002 07:32 PM
I just got home from a Magic TCG league I do
on Tuesday and Thursday so I'm like,real tired.
But I do have a minute to say the deck is
definetly looking much better! I see Chancey,
Blissey,3 Alakazams and ............that's a
drum roll,3 MP Mewtwo.
Hey,give it a try and see how it does and with
many decks.Don't give up on it if it loses is 1st
try.You have to get to know your deck before you
can really tell how well it will play.Give it a
chance,no matter if you make more changes.
By the way I think I can maybe find some more
room,but before I do I'll need some info on why
you feel you need certain cards in the deck.When
you can know why you need a certain card,other
than because somone told you to use it,you will
sort of have a deck that's like a good friend!
Also there are ways of getting nrg into the
discard that I do not believe has been brought up
yet,as it's not done a whole lot but are you at
all familiar with over paying retreat costs?It's
not the best thing but it CAN come in handy for
this type of thing as you only need 2 in the pile
for MP Mewtwo.
Gotta go,talk to you when I can,
Charzilla:GL and TO for Phantom of the Attic
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