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Topic: The 2000 (+/-) faces of Lt. Ledian/Lt. Golduck (Modified) (now with expidition!)
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yoshi1001
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posted September 28, 2002 06:58 PM
Light at the End of the Tunnel 2.0
Base version:
Pokémon: 14
3x Ledyba (N1)
3x Lt. Ledian
3x Psyduck (LC/N4 I'm still split)
3x Lt. Golduck
2x Cleffa (N1)
Modular Pokémon: 4
2x Pichu (N1)
2x Pikachu (N1)
Trainers: 12
4x Pokémon Trader
2x Elm
2x Copycat
2x Bill
2x Bill's Maintainace
Modular Trainers: 12
4x Double Gust
2x Gold Berry
2x Potion
2x Focus Band
2x Pokémon Tower
Energy: 12
6x Grass Energy
5x Psychic Energy
1x Miracle Energy
Modular Energy: 6
4x Rainbow Energy
2x Full Heal Energy
Slowking version:
-4 Double Gust (unless you really want to find room for Balloon Berry)
-2 Pichu (should explain itself)
-2 Grass Energy
+3 Slowpoke (N1)
+3 Slowking (N1-but you knew that)
+2 Psychic Energy
If you wanted a fourth:
-2 Full Heal Energy
+1 Slowpoke (N1)
+1 Slowking (N1)
Muk Version:
-2 Pichu
-2 Pikachu
-1 Psychic Energy
+2 Grimer (Fossil/LC)
+2 Muk (Fossil/LC)
+1 Grass Energy
High Speed version:
-2 Pikachu
-2 Pichu
-2 Potion
+2 Venusaur (Harvest Bounty)
+2 Breeder
+2 Bulbasaur (expidition 50 HP)
All-offense version
-2 Pikachu
-2 Pichu
-2 Potion
-2 Gold Berry
-2 Focus Band
+2 Venusaur (Harvest Bounty)
+2 Breeder
+2 Bulbasaur (expidition 50 HP)
+4 Strength Charm
To counter lightning/colorless:
-2 Pikachu
+2 Tyrogue
To counter Slowking instead of powers in general:
-2 Pichu
+2 Igglybuff
To counter Grass:
-2 Pikachu
-2 Full Heal Energy
+2 Skarmory (N1)
+2 Metal
To Counter Psychic:
-2 Pikachu
-2 Full Heal Energy
+2 Murkrow
+2 Darkness Energy
Modifications to healing cards:
High damage:
-2 Potion
+2 Focus Band
Low Damage
-2 Focus band
+2 Potion
There are basically endless variants of this deck. Try to come up with one that counters your local metagame.
[ September 29, 2002, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: yoshi1001 ]
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Pokenaut
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posted September 30, 2002 09:08 AM
Exactly what kind of response are you looking for Yoshi? Do you want comments for the entire system or do you want individual modules critiqued?
for example in your Slowking "module", there's no way you should just yank out your double gusts. rather I'd:
-3 grass
-2 Pichu
-2 Potion
-2 Maint.
-1 Double Gust
+3 Pokes
+3 Kings
+1 Psy
+3 Switch
BTW, it's Exp_e_dition
'Naut
[ September 30, 2002, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: Pokenaut ]
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yoshi1001
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posted September 30, 2002 11:23 AM
My philposiphy is that once you start toying around with it, it's your deck (a spinoff of mine, but nevertheless a deck designed for your particular needs). Feel free to critiqiue any portion of the deck, whether it's the core of the base state or one of the many variants. Heck, create your own new variant. That's the whole idea. Don't just copy this deck-you won't get the most out of it that you can. Do exactly what 'Naut did-change the deck to what you thought was needed. These example I put out are just that-examples. They might be the best solution to a given problem, but then again they might not. They're there to show the flexibility of the deck concept.
You see, this isn't just supposed to be a deck. It's a learning experience that teaches people how to counter various types of decks. It ain't a bad deck, either.
So, go ahead folks, have at. Rip it to shreads. Believe me, I'll be disappointed if you don't.
'Naut: Very interesting variant there. I like the way you managed to save those Full Heal Energies. I'll have to try that one sometime.
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SauroN
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posted September 30, 2002 12:24 PM
I really dont get what this deck is about...=/
but it looks original and stuff so...kudos
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yoshi1001
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posted September 30, 2002 04:17 PM
Grrr... I am going to kill IBM. Whose idea was it to put forward/back keys just below shift?
Okay, here's the abbreviated explanation of how things work:
Lt. Ledian is the main hitter, and Lt. Golduck can back it up against fire and metal Pokemon, as well as KO babies (Core Blast foils that metal Cleffa plan)the remaining Pokemon counter various types of Pokemon you may find. Double gust is really nice since the highest retreat in the deck is 1. There is a weakness in the deck, however, in that it has little reliable damage.
Regarding the modularity: When I label a card as modular (as 1/3 of this deck is) that means you should consider changing that card if you think another would be better. Of course, you're completely welcome to fiddle with the main Pokemon as well-these are just my reccomendations.
I hope that explains the deck well enough. Any questions, of course, can be posted here.
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posted September 30, 2002 05:12 PM
Have u considered Lanturn from Neo Revelation? It can take care off pre-Kingdra and take care of fire too... And if you still fear Steelix tech in some Promo Smeargle. That is a suggestion.
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posted October 02, 2002 11:38 AM
I can't believe there is no Steelix version with the ultimate wall. But I guess that would require removing Lt. Golduck. Oh well.
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yoshi1001
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posted October 02, 2002 12:02 PM
Swanton: Interesting, but I do prefer Lt. Golduck, as it does well against a wide range of threats (including fire and metal). However, I would be interested to see how Lanturn works out.
Cmon: That would be rather interesting, however it would require significant deck modifications. Judging by your post however, it seems you've discovered the extremely aggrivating combo between Lt. Ledian and Metal Pokemon.
These two pokemon do combo with others. I merely feel that this combination shows the best synergy. However, I encourage you to experiment with the deck. Maybe you'll teach me something about it (I hope so!).
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LizardOTC
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posted October 02, 2002 01:01 PM
I just LOVE the whole "modular" thing! It really adds a whole new dimension to deck design. 
Don't let them tear you down, Yoshi. I think you have the next BIG archetype here. When you win this year's Prof Challenge, then people will know who the REAL master is! 
Of course, one look at your AMAZING post count  would give that away immediately...
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IndigoMaster
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posted October 02, 2002 01:42 PM
I like your idea, its much like what bomie has posted before. The .muk idea. He basically took the trainer engine for his kingdra/muk and made a few variations of the pokemon and energy in order to fit it into other decks.
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yoshi1001
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posted October 02, 2002 02:40 PM
Personal preference is not the exact phrase. The local metagame dictates your choice. Of course, it takes some experimentation to find the right combination. It's a great exercise in learning how to counter other decks. Each variant has strengths and weaknesses.
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