Author Topic: Big Lightning Deck Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 17, 2002 10:39 PM             "Big Lightning Deck" Energy 20 20 Lightning Enegy Pokemon 18 4 Mareep (Neo Genesis) 4 Flaaffy (Neo Revelation) 3 Ampharos (Neo Revelation)- Power Up Zapdos 4 Zapdos (Base)- Massive Damage 3 Cleffa (Neo Genseis)- Draw Power/Stall Trainers 22 3 Professor Elm- Draw Power 4 Balloon Berry- High Retreat Cost 3 Pokemon Breeder- Breed to Amphaors Faster 4 Gold Berry- Heal 3 Super Energy Retrieval- Get back Thunderbolted Energy 2 Energy Stadium- Get back Thunderbolted Energy 3 Magnifier- For Pokemon with a Resistance to Lightning Here is my latest Deck creation hope you like it. The only problem I see with this Deck is getting Energy back into my Deck. What dose MMF mean? Thanks. -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged mercad Member Member # 22435 posted May 17, 2002 11:34 PM             k this will get whooped in standard and MMF means neo on no sneasel, but thats not out just quite yet... anyways heres my fix pokemon 19 3 Rocket's Zapdos 3 Electabuzz *base* 3 Cleffa 3 Sneasel 4 Chansey 2 unknown N trainers 22 4 Energy Removal 4 Super Energy Removal 3 Gust of Wind 3 Focus Band 2 switch 3 Item Finder 3 Computer Search energy 20 4 Metal 4 Dark 3 Recycle 5 Lightning 4 Double Colorless this WILL take down almost if not all competition... anyways i have a complete counter to it with my standard because its the point of my deck... try that and try to get all the cards -------------------- Team Delibird Co-Leader "Don't be touching your little delibird" Buk Buk Merc: Gengar dont make me pull out the big guns DMTM: NO! don't he's my friend Gengar: GENGAR! Merc: Ok! Go DELIBIRD! Delibird: Deli... Delibird Merc: Delibird use present! Delibird: DELI! Gengar: ?_? Gengar: GENGAR! DMTM: Looks like were blasting off again From: Rancho Cucamunga, California, United States | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged Strife126 Member Member # 81379 posted May 18, 2002 05:26 AM             i think he wanted an MMF deck so no Rocket's Zapdos, Electabuzz, and most of the things u said, Mercad. all u have there is a haymaker, which can't be used in either MF or MMF. MMF means Modified Modified Format, since only cards from Neo Genesis and beyond (including LC) are allowed there. i don't think u'll encounter much pokemon with a resistance to lightning, so take out the Magnifier. just put them back if ur opponent uses lightning-resistant pokemon. -3 Magnifier +2 Pichu +1 Elm/Magby since u have no Ppowers, Pichu is a perfect addition to ur deck. choose between Magby and Elm, Elm for more drawing power and Magby again for anti-powers. u have a good deck here. -------------------- that was my 2 cents. don't steal it or anything, it's just 2 cents, nothing more... Proud Anti-Archetype... Originality rulz!!! Misty: Aw, how cute! Dexter: "Vulpix, a fox pokemon. (blah blah blah)...very strong flame attack." Vulpix: *uses flamethrower* Misty: Yes it does... *faints* From: in front of a PC admiring the new Tyranitar avatar... | Registered: May 2002  |  IP: Logged Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 18, 2002 07:52 AM             Hey, Pichu, never thought of that. And your right Strife126, I did make this Deck in the MMF format. I like that Pichu idea because I expect there to be a lot of Muks running around in the near future. About taking out the Magnifiers, you don't think I'll run into any Pokemon with a Resistance to Lightning, do you? -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged Strife126 Member Member # 81379 posted May 18, 2002 08:16 AM             unless Golems and Piloswines run amuck in ur League, u won't need it. oh yeah, probably for Onixes in early setup. i guess u'll want to keep at least 2 since if ur Steelix-using opponent sees u using Lightning they might keep their Onixes as tech. on another note, i like to deal with resistances with Porygon (TR), but that's out in MMF. Try this out (from ur original deck setup, without my original fixes) -2 Flaafy +2 Pichu with Breeder, u won't need as much Flaafy in the deck. replace with Pichu, and u still have the Magnifiers for anti-Onix tech. much better, don't u think? -------------------- that was my 2 cents. don't steal it or anything, it's just 2 cents, nothing more... Proud Anti-Archetype... Originality rulz!!! Misty: Aw, how cute! Dexter: "Vulpix, a fox pokemon. (blah blah blah)...very strong flame attack." Vulpix: *uses flamethrower* Misty: Yes it does... *faints* From: in front of a PC admiring the new Tyranitar avatar... | Registered: May 2002  |  IP: Logged Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 18, 2002 08:43 AM             Sorry Strife126 but, Onix only has a Lightning Resistance in the Video Game, not the Card Game. Anyway, here's the updated version of my Big Lightning Deck. Enjoy. "Big Lightning Deck" Energy 23 20 Lightning Enegy 3 Metal Energy Pokemon 18 4 Mareep (Neo Genesis) 4 Flaaffy (Neo Revelation) 3 Ampharos (Neo Revelation) 3 Zapdos (Base) 2 Cleffa (Neo Genseis) 2 Pichu (Neo Genesis) Trainers 18 4 Balloon Berry 4 Gold Berry 3 Professor Elm 3 Super Energy Retrieval 2 Energy Stadium 2 Pokemon Breeder 1 ~Free Space~ I have one free space in this Deck for a card. Is there any card in MMF format that puts cards from your discard pile back into your Deck? Like Nightly Garbage Run did in Modified. Thanks. -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged skyotite 3:16 Member Member # 42255 posted May 18, 2002 09:08 AM            Time capsule: both you and your opponent may shuffle up to 5 pokemon/ basic energys into your deck. You may not play any more trainers this turn.(It's in neo genesis) Put it in this deck. Even 1 will work out fine. Hope I helped!!! -------------------- Favorite deck: tHe WaLL 326-3 Slowking will never die!!!! Registered: Sep 2001  |  IP: Logged Strife126 Member Member # 81379 posted May 18, 2002 09:30 AM             well, better that Onix doesn't have a resistance to Lightning. what's to be sorry about? i'd take out 1 or 2 Flaafy, 4 is too many with Breeders. -1/2 Flaafy +1 Time Capsule +2 Bill (couldn't think of anything else) -------------------- that was my 2 cents. don't steal it or anything, it's just 2 cents, nothing more... Proud Anti-Archetype... Originality rulz!!! Misty: Aw, how cute! Dexter: "Vulpix, a fox pokemon. (blah blah blah)...very strong flame attack." Vulpix: *uses flamethrower* Misty: Yes it does... *faints* From: in front of a PC admiring the new Tyranitar avatar... | Registered: May 2002  |  IP: Logged GoldMaster Member # 77 posted May 18, 2002 09:44 AM             Hey Thunder Blast, The deck is nice, but ROFLMAO at some of the stuff it is lcking, especially since early tyrogues kill this thing...check mah deck out Anyway, this is not flaming...so here goes: How the heck do you expect to get what you want during the course of the game? You are relying on 3 elm....3....not 4....no other draw power...three...how do u expect to get the gold berry, or the zapdos, you have absolutely NO card drawing power Have any of you even CHECKED the metagame to amhpy yet? It is so strong, as at the (insert the other board here so as not to plug) we all knew amphy would be strong, so EVERY deck has stuff to kill it, and you have no tech against the other decks. do u even know what kind of decks are out there? you need bill, mary, traders, etc. to get what you want. You need SOME SORT OF GUSTING POWER =\ And you definitely need a backup attacker who IS NOT lightning =\ I hope the following will help... Drop 2 pichu, 2 flaafy, 4 lighning energy, 3 SERetrieval, and a balloon berry. Here comes the overhaul. Add in 4 Bill, another pokebreeder, 3 poketrader, 2 time capsule, and 2 DBG. You still need a third DBG, and I would suggest a baby attacker (i.e. tyrogue) for the mirror match, so maybe make the free space a tyrogue. "Big Lightning Deck" Energy 19 16 Lightning Enegy 3 Metal Energy Pokemon 15 4 Mareep (Neo Genesis) 2 Flaaffy (Neo Revelation) 3 Ampharos (Neo Revelation) 3 Zapdos (Base) 2 Cleffa (Neo Genseis) 1 Tyrogue (Neo Destiny) Trainers 26 4 Professor Elm 4 Bill 4 Gold Berry 3 Pokemon Traders 3 Pokemon Breeder 3 Balloon Berry 2 Time Capsule 2 Energy Stadium 2 Double Gust See the speed? Now you have options of getting stuff RIGHT WHEN YOU NEED IT, you can choose which pokemon to ko (cant believe you forgot DBG..), have a backup attacker who actually damages, plus has a baby power, not to mention is SUPERB in the mirror match by ftking mareeps, and you have an all around more competitive deck. Plz take these suggestions into consideration. The deck lacked many things, and although amphy is a strong pokemon, it needs a ton of support to work Have fun, and for an idea of the competition, check out Remember the I-Man ;\ ~Gold -------------------- Britney Spears is hot! email me at [email protected] AIM: PimpMastaD19 proud to be Nsane Current Project - Scheme Demons Crystal Team - Psychotic Massacre From: Chandler, AZ, USA | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged Dark_Scyther Member Member # 80941 posted May 18, 2002 10:22 AM            Your deck is pretty good but you should add 4 Energy Retrival and 4 Recycle Energy. From: brazil | Registered: May 2002  |  IP: Logged Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 18, 2002 12:32 PM             Here's the up-to-date version of my Big Lightning Deck. "Big Lightning Deck" Energy 19 16 Lightning Enegy 3 Metal Energy Pokemon 17 4 Mareep (Neo Genesis) 2 Flaaffy (Neo Revelation) 3 Ampharos (Neo Revelation) 3 Zapdos (Base) 2 Cleffa (Neo Genseis) 2 Lugia (Neo Revelation) 1 Tyrogue (Neo Discovery) Trainers 24 3 Professor Elm 3 Bill 2 Gold Berry 4 Potion 3 Pokemon Traders 2 Pokemon Breeder 4 Balloon Berry 2 Time Capsule 2 Energy Stadium I wasn't sure if I should have put some Double Colorless Energy in; what do you think? GoldMaster: I know this is going to sound crazy to you and everyone else but, I don't really like Double Gust. I don't like playing cards that hurt me or that help my opponent. How can Double Gust hurt me you ask? By letting my opponent choose my new active Pokemon. If they know anything, they'll choose the weakest, highest Retreat Cost Pokemon I have on my bench and I'm not willing to take that risk. The only reason I'm using Time Capsule is because it's the best card, in MMF, to put cards back in my Deck from the discard pile. Any other time, I would just use Nightly Garbage Run because it doesn't benifit my opponent. -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged Strife126 Member Member # 81379 posted May 18, 2002 01:03 PM             let me adjust ur last version: Pokemon (17): 4 Mareep 2 Flaafy 3 Ampharos 3 Zapdos 2 Cleffa 2 Ho-oh (rare) 1 Tyrouge Energy (19): 16 Lightning 3 Metal Trainers (24): 4 Elm 4 Bill 4 Gold Berry 3 Pokemon Traders 2 Pokemon Breeders 3 Balloon Berry 2 Time Capsule 2 Energy Stadium Gold Berry is better than Potion, and this way, u get more Elms and Bills. actually, Double Gust is really good. it gives several advantages while posing few disadvantages. it allows u to choose the new Defending Pokemon, and u get to retreat ur Active Pokemon, removing any statuses or special effects. of course, ur opponent gets to choose ur new active pokemon. but if u use DBG at the right time, it may not matter what pokemon ur opponent brings out. u should use DBG when u have mostly powered-up pokemon, or possibly free retreaters. [ May 18, 2002, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: Strife126 ] -------------------- that was my 2 cents. don't steal it or anything, it's just 2 cents, nothing more... Proud Anti-Archetype... Originality rulz!!! Misty: Aw, how cute! Dexter: "Vulpix, a fox pokemon. (blah blah blah)...very strong flame attack." Vulpix: *uses flamethrower* Misty: Yes it does... *faints* From: in front of a PC admiring the new Tyranitar avatar... | Registered: May 2002  |  IP: Logged Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 18, 2002 04:00 PM             Why Ho-oh (Lv. 44) over Lugia (Lv. 43)? And you convinced me, I'll try Double Gust. I'll put 2 in dropping one Elm and one Gold Berry. Here what it looks like now: "Big Lightning Deck" Energy 19 16 Lightning 3 Metal Pokemon 17 4 Mareep 2 Flaafy 3 Ampharos 3 Zapdos 2 Cleffa 2 Lugia (Lv 43)/ Ho-oh (Lv. 44) 1 Tyrouge Trainers 24 4 Bill 3 Elm 3 Gold Berry 3 Pokemon Traders 2 Pokemon Breeders 3 Balloon Berry 2 Time Capsule 2 Energy Stadium 2 Double Gust -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged Strife126 Member Member # 81379 posted May 18, 2002 05:06 PM             well, it takes the same number of turns to charge up Ho-oh as Lugia, but with 4 Basic Energy (u can't use DCE in MMF) Ho-oh does a guaranteed 70 damage, while Lugia does a guaranteed 40 damage or 80 with a flip. much better, wouldn't u say? of course, Ho-oh is weak to Water, but u have Lightning, don't u? if only i had a couple of Ho-oh, i wouldn't mind making a deck around them. [ May 18, 2002, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: Strife126 ] -------------------- that was my 2 cents. don't steal it or anything, it's just 2 cents, nothing more... Proud Anti-Archetype... Originality rulz!!! Misty: Aw, how cute! Dexter: "Vulpix, a fox pokemon. (blah blah blah)...very strong flame attack." Vulpix: *uses flamethrower* Misty: Yes it does... *faints* From: in front of a PC admiring the new Tyranitar avatar... | Registered: May 2002  |  IP: Logged Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 18, 2002 05:12 PM             You can't use Double Colorless Energy in MMF yet. When the Season Promo is released then you can. And Ho-oh (Lv. 43) would only do 40 dmagae not 70. See: Rainbow Burn: This attack does 30 plus 10 more damage for each TYPE of Basic Energy card, if any, attached to Ho-oh. It would only do 40 damage because the Lightning Energy on Ho-oh would only be one type of basic Energy. So sorry, he just won't work like that. But, it would be sweet if he did . -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged Dale Champion Member Member # 1766 posted May 18, 2002 07:15 PM             Hey ThunderBlast are you making the trip up to philedelphia for the gym challenge? If so I want to play against your Ampharos with mine. Add Raikou. It helps if your in a jam like against slowking and your locked bymurkrow -------------------- Dale Champion I am a proud player of Pokémon at the age of 16. Decks: SHEEP ROCK!:38-10 My powerful deck: 57-12(unlimited barely played) SLEEP! 17-7 From: MidState NY | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 18, 2002 07:22 PM             I did consider the Legendary Dog Raikou (Holo), but I ran into this one little problem. Weakness to Fightning Types. A Donphan would destroy this Deck, no problem. And I'm sorry to say I am not participating in the Pokemon Events of 2002. Next Year though, just you wait and see. 2003 is my year to shine, and shine I shall. . -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged Strife126 Member Member # 81379 posted May 18, 2002 08:01 PM             hmmm, i don't think i saw that part about type of basic energy. guess it isn't that good in a monocolor deck. still, a good solid Basic pokemon. ok then, stick with Lugia. although, between Zapdos and Amphy u have all the attacking u need, u might take out Lugia for 1 more Elm and 1 more Tyrouge (from ur last update) oh yeah, i forgot DCE might be coming (if not surely coming) out as a promo. good call. -------------------- that was my 2 cents. don't steal it or anything, it's just 2 cents, nothing more... Proud Anti-Archetype... Originality rulz!!! Misty: Aw, how cute! Dexter: "Vulpix, a fox pokemon. (blah blah blah)...very strong flame attack." Vulpix: *uses flamethrower* Misty: Yes it does... *faints* From: in front of a PC admiring the new Tyranitar avatar... | Registered: May 2002  |  IP: Logged Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 18, 2002 08:24 PM             Yep, better safe than sorry. I have been play testing my Deck today and I don't ever use Lugia unless I need to stall. Other wise, it sits on my bench un-powered up, which as we all know, is just like asking to get Double Gusted. Maybe I can find something with a Resistance to Fighting that can be a little more useful. Any suggestions? -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 18, 2002 08:51 PM             I just finished another play test and all I have to say is Deck! I Decked myself. The last times I got really close to doing it but finished in time so I didn't. So this Deck's #1 problem is Decking. I need stuff to put cards back into the Deck. Time Capsule is OK. And sense this is a MMF deck, I expect that my opponent will play a Time Capsule or two, so I don't need anymore. I do, however, need something better than Time Capsule. Lets List the cards in MMF that put cards back in your Deck: Time Capsule And that's it! Wizards seriously needs to make a Nightly Garbage Run Promo. I don't think the MMF format was meant for as much draw power as the other Formats were. The second problem of this Deck is self inflicted damage. The way I have been playing Zapdos is, first I send out Zapdos, use Thunder once, then Thunderbolt the second time. I use Thunder more than once if it looks like I won't get knocked out before I can Thunderbolt. And I have a question: I have been just using Ampharos just to power up Zapdos. Should I use it more in attacking my opponent of powering up Zapdos? -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged Strife126 Member Member # 81379 posted May 19, 2002 07:17 AM             u want a tech that's resistant against Fighting? Gligar is perfect for ur deck! resistance to Fighting, but is still Fighting type. good for tech against Fighting and mirror matches. u might want to replace Lugia with the amazing Gligar! on another note, Amphy's attacks are too good to be unused. i mean, sure, Attract Current is a good charger, but the second attack (forgot the name) is great! 40 with a coin flip: heads, +20 damage, tails, paralysis. great either way u go! unless u desperately need big damage from Zapdos, keep Amphy out to attack! -------------------- that was my 2 cents. don't steal it or anything, it's just 2 cents, nothing more... Proud Anti-Archetype... Originality rulz!!! Misty: Aw, how cute! Dexter: "Vulpix, a fox pokemon. (blah blah blah)...very strong flame attack." Vulpix: *uses flamethrower* Misty: Yes it does... *faints* From: in front of a PC admiring the new Tyranitar avatar... | Registered: May 2002  |  IP: Logged Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 19, 2002 07:25 AM             Gligar, sounds interesting. I assume you are refering to the Neo Genesis version of Gligar, right? Lugia is kind of slow, but, most Fighting Types are Weak against Psychic and he also has a Resistance to Fighting. He would be perfect if he wasn't so darn slow. I'll consider Gligar for now. -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 19, 2002 08:43 AM             The problems I listed before only happen in late game when I have under 25 cards in my Deck. Any other time the Deck runs Really smooth. Here's the up-to-date version of Big Lightning. Enjoy. "Big Lightning Deck" Energy 19 16 Lightning 3 Metal Pokemon 17 4 Mareep (Neo Destiny) 2 Flaafy 3 Ampharos 3 Zapdos (Base) 2 Cleffa (Neo Genesis) 2 Gligar (Neo Genesis) 1 Tyrouge Trainers 24 4 Bill 3 Elm 3 Gold Berry 3 Pokemon Traders 2 Pokemon Breeders 3 Balloon Berry 2 Time Capsule 2 Energy Stadium 2 Double Gust I was talking with some friends when I was play testing this Deck and they said I might have made an Arch-Type. Do you really think this Deck is Arch-Type material? -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged Strife126 Member Member # 81379 posted May 19, 2002 10:32 AM             with all my adjustments, possibly...j/k! lol!!! it's solid enough to become an archetype, and if u win a few tourneys with it, who knows? ur last version is really good too, balanced pokemon, trainers, energy. i never seem to be able to have decks that balance out as good as that. good luck with ur playtesting! -------------------- that was my 2 cents. don't steal it or anything, it's just 2 cents, nothing more... Proud Anti-Archetype... Originality rulz!!! Misty: Aw, how cute! Dexter: "Vulpix, a fox pokemon. (blah blah blah)...very strong flame attack." Vulpix: *uses flamethrower* Misty: Yes it does... *faints* From: in front of a PC admiring the new Tyranitar avatar... | Registered: May 2002  |  IP: Logged Thunder Blast Member Member # 47753 posted May 19, 2002 03:47 PM             Would it be OK to take out 1 Bill and add 1 Time Capsule? -------------------- ~*Thunder Blast*~ "Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's going to hurt." -Vegeta "My tales of war are the stories most asked around the fires at night, but they're the ones I care least to tell." -Elvish Warrior AIM: LightningBug1887 From: Sophia, NC | Registered: Oct 2001  |  IP: Logged

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