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Topic: Gatr...yea its old...but why play suicune in it?
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IndigoMaster
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posted April 14, 2002 03:39 PM
About everyone thats half way smart...knows that gatr needs non holo suicune right? Well...it never attacks...and if you have to attack with it...well then your just sad and shouldn't be reading this...and you might think about going into a little hole in uganda and killing yourself. But if you'd rather live thats ok too....
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Alright well...yea its a standard gatr...but i'm not posting this for a "deck fix" by some random people i know/don't know, i'm posting it for a proposition...
Since elekid is becoming quite popular in gatr (and in other things) as a way to combat the opponents suicune, i'm thinking...why let yourself have this weakness to elekid? And since suicune, entei, and raikou have the same power...and basically the same stupid attacks that your never going to use, why not use raikou in gatr? suicune has a weakness to elekid but is used because of its energy type (which i've said like 40 times so far, its attack never gets used), and entei has a weakness to water...which when playing another gatr is just bad...and sorta defeats our porpose here.
So basically...i'm here to find out what you think of raikou as a substitute to the weakened as of late suicune.
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Khapoera
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posted April 14, 2002 03:48 PM
Nice idea Indigo. I would've never have thought of it, because I must have been blinded by Suicune's snazziness. ;\ Good idea. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Gavzoo
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posted April 14, 2002 03:59 PM
I i did play Suicune in my gatr deck as his back up but i never did use it if i think about it, so good point
I know gatr is old but if you look at the top 8 for 10 and under Challange Series Gatr got first. Just a little reminder we arent done with him yet
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IndigoMaster
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posted April 14, 2002 04:08 PM
i know its is still in mf...of course it is...but what i meant was that it is a subject that has been talked about for a long time...in that way its old...
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robbie
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posted April 14, 2002 04:13 PM
*spam*
[ April 17, 2002, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: IPGeek21 ]
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IndigoMaster
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posted April 14, 2002 04:16 PM
um...that has nothing to do with the topic...if you would stay on topic, thanks
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TheAnswer3
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posted April 14, 2002 06:02 PM
Not a horrible idea but what if you the raikou gets mean looked/chaos/dark plume/slowkinged at least suicune can attack IMO
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Dark Ho-oh
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posted April 14, 2002 06:15 PM
hmm..TheAnsw3r has a good point. Raikou is a Mean Look bait. Mean Look him with a Dk. Plume out and you gone. Also, Elekid is not getting popular, it's popularity is actually decreasing in Gatrs. If you take a look at any well built Gatr, 1 out of 10 chances you'll find Elekids now a days.
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IndigoMaster
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posted April 14, 2002 06:16 PM
yea...but the attack won't help that much...i mean...unless your stuck playing it down first turn...which won't happen often, you will be able to see in the first turn/second turn that they are going to try and lock you and that it is completly stupid to play something as vulnerable as a raikou or even a suicune. and in the case that you do get the raikou locked...well you WOULD be able to attack with suicune...but if they get a full lock out...it won't matter if you get the suicune out of the lock or not. and even with a chaos gym or slowking in play, attacking is going to leave you 3 turns of energy attachment loss and they would just do...at least 30 to the suicune, and you would only be able to do 40 at max, and the effect of flipping tails on suicunes attack wouldn't help at all. and then they would just kill you and with there denial you'd probably be left without a hope anyways. So the wasted turns on attacking with suicune is just stupid...double gust would be the only reasonable means of getting out of the lock and having a good chance at winning.
But yea...your right it is a chance and an extremly small advantage of suicune over raikou, but i believe the benifits of raikou are still higher than that of suicune.
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IndigoMaster
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posted April 14, 2002 06:23 PM
Dark Ho-Oh...
i addressed the mean look in my previous responce...
Now you say elekids not popular? alright well...imo it is needed and i am seeing it played more. Basically all gatrs play suicune now right? and thats understandable cause its a good card that works perfectly in conjunction with gatr. But take a gatr that is playing elekid and suicune vs a gatr that is only playing suicune. the one that is playing elekid has the pure natural advantage since suicune is probably gonna be seen. Look at basically any gatr that has made top 4 or even a bunch that haven't and you will see elekid...it is being played...it is a new found problem. And raikou is not weak to elekid as suicune is, therefore...another advantage...and i don't need to post my reasons for raikou being superior to suicune imo again since they are what this thread is based on.
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Tyranitar666
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posted April 16, 2002 02:40 PM
um, tyrogue
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posted April 16, 2002 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Tyranitar666:
um, tyrogue
So? Feraligatr doesn't play Tyrogue and you really only need Raikou/Suicune against another Feraligatr. And if a Feraligatr did use it they would leave themself wide open to Double Gust from the other Feraligatr causing the loss of their own powered up 'Gatr. Besides even if a non-'Gatr deck DID run it Gatr would still, more than likely, tear the deck up.
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posted April 16, 2002 05:11 PM
more decks run tyrogue than elekid, and many more gatr run tyrogue than elekid. tyrogue OHKOs smeargle... plus elekid needs 2 turns of flips to ko a suicune...tyrogue needs one to OHKO a raikou
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Dark Ho-oh
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posted April 16, 2002 07:03 PM
I agree totaly with T-Tar666. Elekid is a Zap bait so people these days don't put the poor Kid in the deck nomore. Even tho if Suicune takes 3 turns to power up, it's stil better then waiting the whole game until you lose.
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posted April 16, 2002 08:30 PM
quote:
Originally posted by IndigoMaster:
Since elekid is becoming quite popular in gatr (and in other things) as a way to combat the opponents suicune, i'm thinking...why let yourself have this weakness to elekid? And since suicune, entei, and raikou have the same power...and basically the same stupid attacks that your never going to use, why not use raikou in gatr? suicune has a weakness to elekid but is used because of its energy type (which i've said like 40 times so far, its attack never gets used), and entei has a weakness to water...which when playing another gatr is just bad...and sorta defeats our porpose here.
So basically...i'm here to find out what you think of raikou as a substitute to the weakened as of late suicune.
Ok nobody else has asked it so I will, what is so great about non-holo suicune? Its Legendary body makes it so Suicune and all energy cards attached to it can't be affected by trainer cards other than stadiums. Why is that so good? Maybe I am missing something. Anyone? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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posted April 16, 2002 09:41 PM
That means you can use it to stall. Build up your bench cause your opponent can't use double gust. Legendary Body pokemon powers gives you time to power up a pokemon in your bench. Hope this helps.
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PsycoDad
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posted April 17, 2002 02:47 AM
Personally,I like the Holo Suicune for combating Crobat. We use to run one of each, but now we have added another tech card for fighting psy weak pokes.
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posted April 17, 2002 06:00 AM
Well thats modified for you, if you want any of those pokemon to survive you'll have to resort to... you guessed it FOCUS ABND FLIPS, 'nuff said
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posted April 17, 2002 12:28 PM
*ew... Feraligatr*
=\ I've heard a lot about using Suicune non-holo to avoid the double gust... and it is a good idea. However, I like the first Suicune better. Using it against Crobat can be devastating for the bat, because Bat relies on eeeeeeeeek in the early game.
Elekid is currently an underrated card. It is very weak to Pichu, obviously, but for the most part, it does well. Elekid is the ultimate anti-Murkrow, assuming you have countergyms to counter their healing fields.
You know, I'm writing more here than in my CotD column... sick huh? :/
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posted April 18, 2002 10:11 AM
A new ruling states that Suicune does not block Eeeeeeek.
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