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Topic: Unusual Steel V3.5 (mmf)
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Pokenaut
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posted May 16, 2002 07:10 AM
I am taking a deck that has served me well and "adjusting" it a tad for the upcoming change to the Constructed Modified format. After hearing from you folks I will actually build this idea and begin playtesting it IRL.
Unusual Steel V3.5
3 Rage Onix
3 Steelix
3 Energy Evo Eevee
2 Umbreon
1 Kabuto
2 Kabutops
3 Cleffa
17 Pokémon
4 Elm
3 Bill
4 Double Gust
3 Balloon Berry
3 Gold Berry
3 Mysterious Fossil
2 Hyper Deevolution Spray (wha?...ask Gymbo hehe)
2 Healing Fields
2 Pokemon Breeder
1 Time Capsule
1 Recall
28 Trainers
4 Dark energy
3 Rainbow energy
3 Full Heal energy
5 Fighting energy
15 Energy
There you have it...the Hyper Devo is for the expected attempts to either conversion or paint my Steelix and I (for some godforsaken reason) can't retreat for the conversion elimination. I will just make him an Onix again for a turn.
All my past versions have used Dark Vap for the fire weakness, and have used it well. I played a Steelix/Kabutops for a while in mf, but Fossil Egg SUCKED royally. Tops should be MUCH more fearsome than Dark Vap ever was. Umbreon is still here, and it wins games. Period.
So it's just in the idea stage folks...what do you think?..I think it looks strong as hades and very very evil.
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'Naut
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posted May 16, 2002 07:14 AM
it really is a solid deck. made to counter Gymbo's deck, huh? i really liked that one. ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif)
i don't see any Focus Bands, but it's still ok, with most of ur pokemon having high HP (except Umbreon)
the only thing i see wrong here is that u have 3 evo lines. i find that hard to play, when u exceed 2 evo lines. i guess u can pull it off, good luck. ![[Bounce]](graemlins/jump.gif)
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Pokenaut
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posted May 16, 2002 07:22 AM
Trust me, the deck's only real weakness is against big fire...and even my current version using Dark Vaporen has decimated it's fair share of Cargos and Typhs. Focus flips I have avoided so far with success. And 80HP on the Umbreon isn't considered high HP?? What Pokes do you consider high?.. Ya see, if your only opening Poke is Onix you have no choice but to play it. BUT...if you know right away you are facing Big Fire, Onix stays in your deck and Steelix never sees the light of day. Umbreon/Kabutops is enough to take on most fire decks.So the only OHKO the Steelix fears would come from a Big Fire Poke it will never face. Hence no focus bands. Besides, repeat use of Gold Berry on a Steelix along with Healing Fields and a number of metal energy really peeves your opponent. LOTS of playtesting has shown me this deck mix is feasible. The only difference is that both my Water coverage AND my Umbreon came out fast with the Eevees. Now I must depend on the Myst. Fossil. Only time will tell on this one.
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posted May 16, 2002 12:34 PM
Why Not Just Drop the Kabutops Line out completely and put dark vaporeon back in? You'd have lots more room for stuff, especially cuz eevee's already in there...
I like kabutops better than dark vaporeon...but you're running 3 different evos here...I think it's best to cut it down to two...(It's really two...cuz it's all from eevee/onix)
So my fix is:
4 Eevee - Your Call...I'd take Energy Evo
2 Umbreon - Holo
2 Dark Vaporeon
4 Neo Onix - Just for Screech...Recall + Rage is okay...but...meh...
3 Steelix
3 Cleffa
4 Dark
4 Metal
7 Water
2 Rainbow
4 Elm
4 Bill
4 Bill's Teleporter
3 Lucky Stadium
4 Double Gust
4 Gold Berry
1 Time Capsule
2 Baloon Berry
Up to you, but I'd play something like this...
More Energy + More Basics + Lotsa Drawing = Good.
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Pokenaut
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posted May 16, 2002 12:49 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rocket's Sandshrew:
[QB]Why Not Just Drop the Kabutops Line out completely and put dark vaporeon back in? You'd have lots more room for stuff, especially cuz eevee's already in there...
I like kabutops better than dark vaporeon...but you're running 3 different evos here...I think it's best to cut it down to two"
Brad, I know what ya mean, but with the Breeder Kabutops should be out pretty reliably and pretty quick too...and I agree with liking Tops better than Vap. In the past mf I couldn't depend on Egg flips to save my life.
This is something I want to try. A LOT of people said my current version of this deck wouldn't work well and I have had a ton of success with it. I think playtesting is in order. You may be right about the 3 Evos being slower, but again, I am hoping the breeder makes up for the twin Eevee evo's speed.
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posted May 16, 2002 12:54 PM
i agree with the Kabutops for Dark Vap. exchange.
but Breeder lets u use Kabutops just as good, so it's good too.
in any rate, if u will be using Rocket's Sandshrew's changes, i'd replace Bill's Teleporters with Mail from Bill
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posted May 16, 2002 01:59 PM
it looked alot better with the dk. vaporeon in it. It's kinda risky play fossils exspecially cuz there's nomore chaos gym. he's gonna be a double gust bait. and there's no tiem finder to get back the fossils so it's gonna be hard.
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Pokenaut
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posted May 16, 2002 06:06 PM
Do you really think that w/out Trainer recursion (no IF) that many Double Gusts are going to be used to KO a Mysterious Fossil without a prize being taken? Seeing as how I am running three Mysterious Fossil, it actually seems like a great decoy to get them to waste a gust (or two) and still have one left to gat a Tops rollin.
Again, playtesting commences soon, and much will be revealed then I am sure.
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posted May 16, 2002 08:40 PM
1 Kabuto
2 Kabutops
???????????
Totally confused on why you did that... anyway, go with Brad, even though that Dark Vap deck is annoying as heck and needs to go away...
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posted May 16, 2002 08:48 PM
ok, I feel stupid now... I must have been thinkin Breeder Fields when I glanced over the deck ![[Blush]](graemlins/blush.gif)
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Pokenaut
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posted May 16, 2002 08:58 PM
ShuckleGod has brought to my attention the fact that Recall probably won't be in LC and will not be available formmf.So...take out the one Recall and add a fighting energy.
I still am GOING to try it with the Tops line. Hydrocutter is wicked, and will be MUCH more feared by Cargo or Typh.
And Joe, I take your comment about the current version being "annoying and needing to go away" as a compliment. Thanks ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted May 17, 2002 06:27 AM
i think you should do this:
-2 Breeder
-1 Kabuto
-2 Kabutops
+2 Dark Vaporeon
+3 Pichu
Pichu will help you combat big fire along with Dark Vaporeon.
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posted May 17, 2002 07:16 AM
actually, 'tops is really good, and its being a Stage 2 allows Breeder to be used to get it. of course, if u really want Dark Vap, u could just add 1 Eevee and 2 Dark Vap, and still keep Kabutops. take out some trainers, add some water energy, and u still have 3 evolution lines.
of course, what u're going to take out for it is totally unknown, coz the deck seems fine to me.
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Pokenaut
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posted May 17, 2002 08:31 AM
It's simple really...here's what I will SPELL OUT for those who want to try and help:
*I will not be using Dark Vaporeon in this deck.
*I will be using Kabutops in the deck.
*I will stay with Fighting energy.
*Pichu is not needed here. Tops can handle Big Fire easily all by it's lonesome.
If you stay within these parameters with your deck ideas I will take them into consideration.
Thanks
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posted May 17, 2002 08:42 AM
ok then. Take out the recall since it might not be in LC and add another bill. 3 bill sin't enough.
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posted May 17, 2002 06:32 PM
You asked me to reply so I will
I think devo spray is unecessary and since Jim's deck is MF and this is mmf it is not needed.
Also you play no metal maybe this was on purpose but I like metal with Steelix. I dont think both umbry and tops are necessary I would prolly drop umby line because tops can handle fire most likely.
- 4 dark
-2 devo spray
+ 4 metal
+ 2 pichu
-1 recall
+1 fossil
+1 Tops
+1 Bill
+3 trader
+1 breeder
I dont know if that will work but you can playtest to see what does work
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Pokenaut
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posted May 17, 2002 08:51 PM
Drew,
DOH!...what's funnier than me forgetting the metal is the others who replied and missed it too!...As far as the Hyper Devo, it was more of an inside joke concerning a deck Jim was tweaking to allow it to manhandle Steelix. My final mmf version will most likely NOT run Umbreon, but in the current version the Umbre has won me many a match.
I like your suggestions. They are well thought out and unexpectedly helpful.
Thanks
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posted May 18, 2002 07:52 PM
Pichu=god
If you're not planning on playing Pichu in every deck without powers...trade me your Pichus. Even if they have a Gatr (just an example, I know it's not there in MMF), a quick 20 for 1 shot helps out sometimes, especially with the baby flip.
And I'd do what Drew said...but play the Tops line like this
4 M. Fossil
1/2 Kabuto
3/2 Breeder
4 Kabutops
Seeing as how Tops has a relatively cheap energy cost...needing only 1 Fighting and 2 other random energy. I'd also suggest Recycle energy, to play on Steelix/Onix (SI), Tops, and babies.
Also, try to make as many of the Onix as you can into SI ones. They're just all around better.
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posted May 18, 2002 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by Pokenaut:
ShuckleGod has brought to my attention the fact that Recall probably won't be in LC and will not be available formmf.
Since you already have fossil - why not tech a NeoDactyl (my pet name for the neo Aerodactyl) as a permanent recall?
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Pokenaut
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posted May 20, 2002 09:50 AM
I do NOT "instinctively" add Pichu to each and every deck I make that doesn't run powers. Anti-Pichu tech will become more and more prominent, and as I see it, if you cannot afford to run three of those dudes, don't run any. 20 damage to a high-HP Pokemon isn't such a do-or-die situation. With less OHKO attacks in mmf, I also think we'll see a swing towards more use of Gold Berries and less reliance on Focus Bands.I have used Pichu in decks where I see fit, and using them to fight Fire in a deck that has a great chance of getting a Hydrocutter Tops out seems like wasted deck space.
That might change though, as I am not above actually trying out other's suggestions. For now, as tonight is the deck's first IRL playtesting, it stays as is (minus the recall obviously)
Teching in an Aero for a permanent Recall is a possibilty as well, and I have tried that in a few other Steelix decks in the past. Actually works sometimes.Deck space is tight already.
So...the Hyper Devo comes out as does the Recall. Here's the current version for tonight's testing:
Unusual Steel V3.6
1 SI Onix (only have one right now...will get more)
2 Base Onix
3 Steelix
3 Energy Evo Eevee
2 Umbreon
1 Kabuto
2 Kabutops (Hydrocutter)
3 Cleffa
17 Pokes
4 Elm
3 Bill
4 Dbl. Gust
3 Balloon Berry
3 Gold Berry
3 Mysterious Fossil
2 Healing Fields
2 Pokemon Breeder
1 Time Capsule
25 Trainers
3 Dark
3 Rainbow (6 dark or 7 Metal or 8 Fighting) possible
3 Full Heal
4 Metal
5 Fighting
18 Energy
Will post tomorrow to let you folks know how it did in a few test matches. I will try and get up against a Encargo deck for the true test.
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posted May 22, 2002 05:49 AM
Well...playtesting thus far has revealed several things:
Umbreon still wins games...outright...on his own. Makes me wish I could up the ante on the Umbe line even in this tight decklist.
Steelix's still afraid of Kingdra and it's energy removal attack. I think that that Chris Fulop revealed this in Columbus, and it continues to be this deck's real weak point. Grass and status...no problem.
Getting out Kabutops reliably with such small numbers may be a problem. Some games boom...he's there. Other games I eeeek and Elm again and again always assuming they're all in my prizes.
Possibly considering going to a straight Steelix/Kabutops similar to Gymbo's, but with more of an anti-status slant. For now I will continue to play with the ratios. Having the threat of Umbreon in the deck really adds a dimension to matches that straight Steelix/H2O lacks.
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posted May 23, 2002 01:26 PM
Now that you've tested and found its weaknesses, here are some things you might consider:
Remove
1 Cleffa
1 Professor Elm
1 Double Gust
You have enough draw power, really, so you can use these slots for 3 Pokémon Traders. That way you can always get a Kabutops or Umbreon when needed.
Also, since you're having problems with Kingdra:
Remove 2 Healing Fields
Add 2 EcoGym
Steelix and Kabutops have enough HP without Healing Fields and it also helps your opponent. EcoGym only helps you since you took out Dark Vaporeon.
Maybe this will help, maybe not…
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Pokenaut
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posted May 24, 2002 09:15 AM
Chryst:
Thanks for the excellent suggestions. Last night I was frustrated with the deck and slapped it into a straight Steely/Tops deck because I wasn't able to get what I wanted as often as I liked. It did well, but I missed the Umbe.
Adding the Pokemon Traders NO DOUBT should help that....and the suggestion of adding the Eco is also cool. I may try 1 of each Stadium for now.
Again, Thanks!
'Naut
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posted May 31, 2002 09:35 AM
Further playtesting of the straight Steelix/Tops deck last night made me miss the Umbreon so much that along with Tom Dolezal's help I brought it back with Umbreon...and now it seems as strong as ever. Here's the latest version:
Unusual Steel V3.7
2 NG Onix (Rage with Onix was worth two prizes last night)
1 SI Onix
3 Steelix
3 Energy Evo Eevee
2 Umbreon
1 H2O Kabuto
2 Hydrocutter Kabutops
3 Cleffa
17 Pokemon
4 Elm
3 Pokemon Trader(essential to get those limited_in_number Umbe or Tops out)
3 Mysterious Fossil
3 Breeder
3 Double Gust
3 Balloon Berry
3 Gold Berry
2 Eco Gym (great counter Gym and needed against Kingdra and Dark Vap...Steelix's nemesis next to big fire, which Tops handles easily)
1 Time Capsule
25 Trainers
3 Dark Energy
3 Rainbow Energy
3 Full Heal Energy
4 Metal Energy
5 Fighting Energy
18 Energy Cards
There it is...a thing of beauty when played properly. It lost once last night to decking, against a mmf Kazam/Slowking deck...active Steelix was confused, all FHE and Dbl. Gusts were spent. A fully-powered Umbe and Tops sat on the bench waiting for a shot at his BADLY damaged bench.(Thanks Aelflaed )
The addition of Traders helped IMMENSELY, almost like a Comp Search for multi-Evo mmf decks, allowing such a tightly_packed deck to work at all.
Is it possible that no further improvements can be made here keeping in mind I WANT Umbreon to stay in the deck? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Thoughts please
'Naut
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posted May 31, 2002 10:43 AM
Tight deck 'Naut. I expect we'll be seeing this next week. Seeing as you were having problems moving the big guy, possibly this:
-1 Steelix
+1 FHE/DG
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