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jdb728
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posted January 29, 2003 11:25 AM
"Literally, if it isn't Sneasel, Clefable or Ditto, it doesn't really have a chance in unlimited." Provin winning archetypes in Unlimited, Metal/Cansey, Metal/Arcanine, Damage Swap(yes, it can still be done to win tourney's), Entei/Something, Haymaker(There are many different variations), First Turn Ko(Whether it be a misty poke, a Rattata, an Erika's Jiggly, or even a dunsparce), Dark Genger(I've seen it done), Mr. Erika's Healing(My personal fav deck). Meganium45, I'm not even going to get any further into your post about what decks are viable in Modified(other then just saying that any card playable in Modified is playable in Unlimited).
I'm getting sick and tired of so many people saying "the format should be Modified, who cares about the people who like Unlimited", at our league we like always play Unlimited, and everyone has lots of fun, we have one guy who played Slowking/Sneasel/Steelix(believe it or not, he practically never won tourney's with it), I guess what I'm tryin' to say is, let the people who like Unlimited have one premier event that's Unlimited(Come on, isn't the whole Gym series enough Modified events for you). Please keep in mind that this post wasn't about me wanting Unlimited(even though I think Unlimited is the best format) for the premier events(I'll probably be judging either way). ![[cthulhu]](../tcg/graemlins/cthulhu_green.gif)
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posted January 29, 2003 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by SteveP:
GL Blaine, I assume you'll be the head judge for the UT SBZ. Because you probably know the TO very well, your influence as to what format to run will be substantial (if there's a choice). If you ARE the head judge for the UT SBZ, I suggest that you remain impartial on this issue. If you'll be playing, then I understand your frustration (if your frustration is that WOTC announced the format late, then changed it), and I look forward to playing you if we don't get our own SBZ in CO.
You are correct in assuming that I will be Head Judging for the UT SBZ. I have known about the tournament being play here for a couple of weeks before it was posted. You also correct that is the TO’s are able to decide which format will be played in then my influence will decide the format. The Premium TO in the area truest me and the SLC Professor full with these tournament. All he has to do is show up for the tournament, work the computer, and give out the prize, and we Professors handle all the rest, as it should be. It will be nice thought when WOTC lets ALL of us professors run our Pokemon tournaments ourselves. Some of us are ready to do it now. (HINT HINT MTM)
My frustration comes from the change in the announcement after I have spent some time already promoting SBZ. And now some of my time will have to be to used to re-inform individual players that have to now be notified about the change, and not everyone come to the leagues each week. I had gotten a hold of some of the old players, and let them know that they can play with some of there old cards. My hopes are is if they come and play they will see or maybe even win some of the new cards that they will want some of the cool new cards that have come out, also get them back to enjoy playing the game, and with lucky get back in it. With going to working full-time, school full-time, and the family, I don’t have as much time as I would like to give to the game right now. I really want this to be promoted well, because the last tournament was not as much, and the Premium TO in the area has left it all up to us to do it. Which I feel is our chance to prove to WOTC that what we Professors can really do. I have even started to get a couple of stores commit doing everything they can to help Promote the game we love so much. To letting us running tournaments at there location, and even helping with prize support.
I you don’t get a SBZ in CO, I would love to see you again at the tournament. If you come down early like you did last year, maybe we can meet up at Hasturs for a little Friday night game play.
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Originally posted by SteveP:
Hey GLBlaine. Your SLC Profs website hasn't been updated since Aug 2002, and there haven't been ANY DCI tournaments in Utah since Aug 2002. Personally, I think your beef about Modified comes from the fact that you and your local players haven't played any serious Pokemon Modified games since last summer. You're not READY for any players who might show up at the Utah SBZ with cards from the newer sets. Just my thoughts. ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
As for this little comment of yours Steve, and in my defense it is true that the web-site has not been updated since August. The reason why is I turned over the web-site to a couple of the other SLC professors while I finish my schooling at the University of Utah. It doesn’t mean that tournaments didn’t happen, just they were not posted. Last semester I was taking a full load of Marking, Labor Economics, Feminist Economics, and Art. This semester I have Statically analysis of Behavior Science, and a Money & Banking class. As long as I do well in these classes I will graduate with my BS of Economics this semester. For this reason I have been spending more time trying to finish my schooling then playing as much as I have in the past. I have been working this week on updating now information about SBZ on the web-site, but it just has not been published yet.
As for your little stab that I don’t have cards from the newer sets, you are wrong about that. I do have cards and decks, and am ready for it. I just enjoy some of the older cards because they are a lot more fun for me to play with. I have come to the point with this game the winning is good, but having fun is better. I have some fun silly decks that still can will, but also fun to play with your opponents head. ![[ROFL]](../tcg/graemlins/roflmao.gif)
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Steven mayby your guys have been playing modifited so much that your guys READY and dont stand a change any more for an all out Unlimited all cards are playable Pokmeon Game.
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posted January 29, 2003 11:54 AM
Skywolf -- bless you.
You hit the nail right on the head. The TO should be allowed to choose the format of the event, not just because of miscommunication but because the TO/BattleZone Commander knows what is best for their group of people.
I've been to three different Leagues, and they were all mainly Unlimited, but had their Modified players in the mix as well. Other states have their mainly MMF Leagues but still have people that play Unlimited.
Give the Unlimited players their Unlimited tourney, and the Modified players their Modified tourney. It only seems right.
As for having to throw a deck together...unless a player is just starting into the game, a player that has a Modified deck will most likely have the capabilities to build an Unlimited deck. I doubt that when the format changed back at that fateful STS, that all of the players just threw out their Oaks, their Searches, their Finder, SERs, Sneasels...you get the idea.
As for Sneasel, the card can be beaten, and beaten EASILY. Any deck that has someone that can hit for 60 on a regular basis, a default gym, and some Removal can take it on without a problem.
Thanks, Skywolf...I hope that your suggestion goes through.
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All card games run on archetypes. Magic is 90% archetypes. YGO is 90% archetypes. Pokemon was, for the most part, all archetypes before and during MF2. Pokemon will be archetype-based during MF3. Pokemon will be archetype based when it is under Nintendo.
Viva la unoriginality!
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posted January 29, 2003 12:28 PM
It's the player, not the deck, that wins.
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posted January 29, 2003 01:20 PM
GL Blaine, I sympathize with your schooling. Plus, I know you've got young'ens.
So GL Blaine, did you know the format two weeks before the official announcement? Were TOs informed that it would be Unlimited?
Any way, I'm all for a standardized, universal format, whatever that will be. We're all competing for the same prizes. We should all compete in the same format, regardless of our locales. JMO.
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posted January 29, 2003 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by SteveP:
So GL Blaine, did you know the format two weeks before the official announcement? Were TOs informed that it would be Unlimited?
Yes, I did know the format a couple of weeks before the first official announcement. The TO's that are running this were sent information about it. I was call by the TO to make sure that I would be free to Judge the tournament, and to help with some of the other things, like getting other judges, and promotional things ready so when the official announcement was made we were be ready to go full force with this.
That is also why some weeks back I asked MTM durning the weekly Pokemon chat if SBZ had to be at a place currently running BZ. Which his responce was it should, but it was not to us to decide that. The TO that is running ours asked for my help to make sure that the Pokemon rules of were it can be played was followed, hence the reason for my question that chat day to MTM on the subject.
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darkmt_mike presents the speaker with question 83 from gym_leader_blaine:DMTM who would win in the battle in Gengar VS Jango Fett?
darkmt_mike says, "Hmm. think Gengar uses the Force so I would bet on him."
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posted January 29, 2003 01:55 PM
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Yes, I did know the format a couple of weeks before the first official announcement.
I commend your for your ability to keep a secret. I'm surprised that the format wasn't "leaked" on the boards before the official announcement came out.
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted January 29, 2003 02:08 PM
My TO has trust enough in me to know that I will not let out information before hand. That is why he tells me. I am awear of other tournament, non-Pokemon, coming up that he has also asked for my help in that I have not said anything about. Also when I found out that the tournament would be Unlimited, I didn't think to much about it, or that some players would have a problem with it when the found out. I was just happy that SLC was getting a SBZ and I could help out with it. I wish they didn't change the format on us so close to the tournament time, after some time has already gone into it to promote it as a Unlimited tournament. I know mistake happen as so be it. I have email MTM and am waiting to see what he says. If he says that they ALL HAVE TO BE Modified then that is how we will run ours, but if he will let us have a choice in the matter because of the mix-up, then I will get with the TO and we will figure what is best for our area.
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darkmt_mike presents the speaker with question 83 from gym_leader_blaine:DMTM who would win in the battle in Gengar VS Jango Fett?
darkmt_mike says, "Hmm. think Gengar uses the Force so I would bet on him."
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posted January 29, 2003 04:04 PM
Look folks all mistakes aside. SBZ was supposed to be Modified. It makes the most sense.
It helps the retailers more then Unlimited. They are more eager to run it.
It is supposed to foster and support new players as well. They do not have the access to older cards. This helps the games growth.
It supports the newer sets. Which is better for the growth of the game long term as well.
There are still plenty of reprinted cards in LC that can be used.
It is a national program. Making it up to the TO at this point will just confuse the issue even more. Not a good solution.
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posted January 29, 2003 04:04 PM
Newsanchor:We now interupt your daily whining with the following late breaking news:The SBZ locations have just been updated and now include 46 locations!Go and check it out.
We now return you to your daily whining. ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif)
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p.s.Please don`t take this post seriously(other than the update list).Just inserting some daily humor. ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif)
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posted January 29, 2003 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Pokesensei:
We now return you to your daily whining.
`Sensei
p.s.Please don`t take this post seriously(other than the update list).Just inserting some daily humor.
Daily Whining, man I have been posting on the wrong form, I thought this was the Daily Griping. Thanks for correcting that Sensei
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darkmt_mike presents the speaker with question 83 from gym_leader_blaine:DMTM who would win in the battle in Gengar VS Jango Fett?
darkmt_mike says, "Hmm. think Gengar uses the Force so I would bet on him."
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posted January 29, 2003 04:20 PM
LOL
Just to set the record straight,I was not referring to you or anyone.I was just poking fun at us all. ![[Evil Smirk]](../tcg/graemlins/Up_to.gif)
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posted January 29, 2003 04:22 PM
Hey, looks like there's a new location in Alberta, Canada. The locations for one or both (I don't remember, it's at least one) of the Texas SBZs have changed, too. [EDIT: there's four locations in Texas now! o_O!] And eight of the (now 46) SBZs are running on the 16th. I don't remember there being a location in Hawaii, either; interesting.
At least the Delaware, OH SBZ is still there... [wipes sweat from brow]
-Dugtrio
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posted January 29, 2003 07:12 PM
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LOL
Just to set the record straight,I was not referring to you or anyone.I was just poking fun at us all.
`Sensei
I know you were knot referring to me, I just had to have fun with you.
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darkmt_mike presents the speaker with question 83 from gym_leader_blaine:DMTM who would win in the battle in Gengar VS Jango Fett?
darkmt_mike says, "Hmm. think Gengar uses the Force so I would bet on him."
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posted January 29, 2003 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by CPUSrchDiscarding2forOak:
You hit the nail right on the head. The TO should be allowed to choose the format of the event, not just because of miscommunication but because the TO/BattleZone Commander knows what is best for their group of people.
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here about the Premier TO's. You know - TO's - the guys that have been responsible for so many flames at the MT's for using Magic Judges that didn't know a damned thing about Pokemon and made so many bad calls, yada yada yada. Most of the premier TO's make their living arranging events for just about anything they can - comics, sci-fi conventions, Magic Tournaments, etc. They have people that can judge (Magic anyway), they know what it takes to put an event together and they have the contacts - this takes a load off the MT's for an event but it hardly assures anyone that these people know what is good for the local Pokemon players in a particular area. They barely know Pokemon exists!
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posted January 29, 2003 09:26 PM
I can understand why modified may be better for business, but with only weeks before SBZ, and knowing this tournament was much anticipated as unlimited, was it really worth changing? Not much to argue about, though, this is set and done. Just saying. I hope we get a good turnout at this. If Aquapolis can't help Pokemon I don't know what could.
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posted January 29, 2003 11:46 PM
Aquapolis isn't the only thing. With Aquapolis, which is one of the best sets in a long time, and the release of Ruby and Sapphire just around the corner, Pokemon has everything it needs to get huge again.
Ruby and Sapphire will set an end to the "Pokemon is almost dead"-thing, if it sells at least half of the copies it did in Japan.
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posted January 30, 2003 06:10 AM
I've been out of Pokemon for a while and am wanting to compete in SBZ. I've forgotten, what cards are allowed in modified format?
Thanks
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I've been out of Pokemon for a while and am wanting to compete in SBZ. I've forgotten, what cards are allowed in modified format?
Thanks
currently Modified Constructed format is comprised of:
Neo 1-4 sets
Southern Island Promo Set
Legendary Collection (and earlier copies of the same cards reprinted in Legendary Collection)
Expedition
Aquapolis
Pokemon League promos #21-current, including Battlezone "winner" promos (and in the case of "winner" Electabuzz, the base set Electabuzz)
Cards banned are:
Ancient Mew
B-day Pikachu
Neo Genesis Sneasel
Neo Genesis Slowking
League promos #1-20
hope this helps
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posted January 30, 2003 06:22 AM
so because of winner Electabuzz I can use base set Electabuzz in modified format?
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posted January 30, 2003 06:28 AM
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so because of winner Electabuzz I can use base set Electabuzz in modified format?
Yes, and it's still one of the best.
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posted January 30, 2003 10:52 AM
*** UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE ***
As some of you already know, I had e-mailed MTM with regards to letting the TO's decide the format that SBZ should be, and I had also stated that I would let you know as soon as he gave me an answer. This morning, I received an answer. His response is below:
Take Care,
Skywolf1
Hi Marsh,
While I understand that there are some locations that may prefer Unlimited over Modified as their format (partially due to our error), it is easier for us to inform the public as a whole of just one format. So we would like all of the Super BattleZones to be run in the Modified format.
Also, newer players do not have access to the older cards as readily. I know you've all heard this before but is true. We need to keep these events as open as possible to newer and younger players. They do not own 4 copies of DCE, Ditto, Computer Search, and many of the older power cards.
Also, to be honest, retailers themselves prefer us toi run more curent formats as it encourages more sales of the recent expansions. As you know, OP follows many masters. It is a mix of marketing, retails support, AND player support.
Sorry to be repetitive, I know you've heard this all before
Thanks for your support Marsh.
Take care,
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posted January 30, 2003 01:30 PM
I have a few questions, #1. Why is the SBZ in CHARLOTTE NC on 2/22? #2. Why does Texas have 4 SBZ when some states don't get any? #3. "It's the player, not the deck, that wins.", so if a less skilled player uses say, a Entei/Cargo, and beats a more skilled player using a deck with 1 Chikorita and 59 psychic NRG, are you saying the less skilled player is accually a better player? ![[Dubious]](../tcg/graemlins/dubious.gif) Look, I believe the player has a lot to do with the success, I would just like you to aknowledge that fact that the deck has alot to do with it also. Thanks for reading. EDIT: There is something else I would like to say, Why do people keep refering to Ditto as a must have in every deck in Unlimited ![[Mad]](../tcg/mad.gif) ? DITTO is practiccally WORTHLESS in unlimited. ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif)
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posted January 30, 2003 10:35 PM
They refer to Ditto as a "must have" because it was a "must have" the last time they played Unlimited.
Oh well, what's done is done. It's time to make the best of the hand we've been dealt. (And we all know about being dealt a bad hand at one time or another)
Go to SBZ and play or help judge. It's time to have some fun and stop whining about whining about people whining.
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