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Topic: Life after WotC; What if...?
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Raikou
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posted October 21, 2002 02:05 PM
wow lucky...my league went from mostly pokemon to you gi oh....like everyone plays it but me and a few others. Hopefully if im able to get battlezone going, I might get some interest back from the yu gi oh players...
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ukpokemonpro
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posted October 23, 2002 07:46 AM
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Individuals can do that? Without being directly associated with a retail shop? I'd like the info on how to do this. I'm ready to start my own League.
It appears that you can't in the US. Here in the UK we fought long and hard to get league kits into Gaming Clubs .. most of the retailers here do not have space to play and are not that interested. Indeed many of the early leagues at retailers seemed to be a way to get cheap promo's that were then sold at a profit.
Of the 5 active leagues in the South East 4 are run by Master Professors away from any retailer.
These restrictions seem silly to my mind and I hope the advent of Battle Zone will end this... if you have the players for a league you should be able to run one regardless of the location.
If the restriction remains in the US then yes I suggest offering to buy the kit from the retailer .. so they have no risk and then running the league wherever you can.
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Raichu12
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posted October 25, 2002 07:47 PM
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Personally, mixing games IS a good thing at least in my experience. We ran Harry Potter and Pokemon Leagues at the same time. Every single Harry Potter player is now playing Pokemon. We also run a Yu-Gi-Oh! League at the same time.
If YGO or HPTCG leagues can run during your Pokemon league without hurting Pokemon play, good for you. It has been devastating for the local Pokemon league. Almost all of the League faithful are now either playing YGO exclusively or experimenting with it. I can now count the number of Pokemon loyalists on two hands.
I asked about being able to get a kit as an individual because I figure that with the kit, I can find a place to have it. Trying to have it at the current store, or asking them to buy the BZ kit and then buying it from them, is not an option. I was the GL there, things turned ugly, I was removed from the position, and since then there has been bad blood between me and the management. I really would rather have it at a new place.
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Martin Moreno
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posted October 25, 2002 10:25 PM
Same here. My league is down to 2. Even I left it for Yu-Gi-Oh. Theres no-one to play.
Oh well, all hail the Yugi.
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Golduck
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posted October 26, 2002 01:53 AM
Strangely enough, nobody in Norway knows what Yu-Gi-Oh or Dragonball is. There are some very people who like Digimon, but other than that, Pokémon is still the only "Japanese craze".
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Hairy Clefairy
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posted October 26, 2002 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by Golduck:
Strangely enough, nobody in Norway knows what Yu-Gi-Oh or Dragonball is. There are some very people who like Digimon, but other than that, Pokémon is still the only "Japanese craze".
It's something to do with the cheese.
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ShadowCard
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posted October 26, 2002 07:01 AM
I remember the days when people raided store counters for their pokemon cards. Even though Yu-Gi-Oh came in big, i didn't see this happen, probably because of a lack of supply though. The show is the thing keeping the game going and if yu-gi-oh does die, it's going to die hard. Anyway, if this happens, does anyone know a way for me to get rid of my yugioh cards besides auction websites? Pokemon has to live, i cound never get rid of all my pokemon cards (the collection is too vast).
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ukpokemonpro
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posted October 26, 2002 09:40 AM
Just made Ł67 on those auction sites so my advice is to sell now while you can and don't worry Yu-Gi-Oh ain't PokeMan and it sure ain't Magic.
Martin you want the competition go play Magic it's a far better, more complex and competative game than Yu-Gi-Oh.
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"a meaningless title is just that ... meaningless"
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Golduck
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posted October 26, 2002 12:01 PM
The only thing needed for Yu-Gi-Oh to die as a game is the ending of the fad stage. The only thing needed to kill of Magic is... a miracle. You would need one of those thingies the Men In Black have and erase the memory of every person in the world.
To say it more seriously, if you play Magic, you never have to worry that the fun times will be over. Magic is here to stay, and it has been like that for 8 years.
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Originally posted by ukpokemonpro:
Just made Ł67 on those auction sites so my advice is to sell now while you can and don't worry Yu-Gi-Oh ain't PokeMan and it sure ain't Magic.
Martin you want the competition go play Magic it's a far better, more complex and competative game than Yu-Gi-Oh.
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Coryace
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posted October 27, 2002 10:34 AM
No one here probably knows me, I'm fairly well established over at the Pojo boards, if anyone else goes there.
Anyway, there isn't much that is left to say, folks have covered most everything. There's just a couple things I want to bring up...
First of all, what if WotC does get the license back? Things presumably improve, as they don't have to worry about that problem for another few years and can focus on running the OP we all love and recognize as so important. It seems feasible that they'll get in back, too. TPC has to understand that an American company knows how to best market a TCG within the complexities of American culture. On the other side, Wizards has no reason not to fight however they can to keep the license. Pokemon may be in a rut, but it's the #2 TCG out there. If Hasbro needs to cut costs after taking on WotC, one would think that there are other things that make less money (and more sense to cut) than the second largest player in an active, successful market.
Another point I think hasn't been taken into consideration enough is simply this: Everyone seems to be ranting about how if WotC loses the license and floods the market, we lose our game. I ask this in return, what company that is in contest for the license can run OP for Pokemon? Nintendo sure isn't going to. If WotC loses the license we need to start running tourneys online or something, because there's not gonna be OP under another company. If we want OP, we need WotC to keep the license.
So, then, couldn't this backstock work to our advantage? If whatever company the license might go to knows that product will become valueless as soon as they get it, why bother going for the license at all? WotC can use this an effective bargining tool.
It also seems to make sense that not having GCs yet and all that is not a plot to kill the game, but rather a product of trying to get the license. If we're in the middle of a GC season WotC probably gets pretty dang busy, so in order to keep things on task and focus on what is really, truly important (keeping the game, so it can continue to be a money-making venture for them) the GCs are delayed. At least I hope so, it can be looked at either way. It seems awfully cynical to point at a delayed GC season and say WotC is trying to kill the game, because they have really no reason to do such a thing unless someone else is controlling said game.
The thing that actually makes me really happy in this matter is how the leetist/pokeparent thing is falling apart. The one thing that keeps me posting on Pojo more than anywhere else in the community is that it is an escape from pokeparent's spewing virtue and leetists making jerks of themselves. Neither of those things are pleasing to read, and if anything comes out of this, I hope it's a richer community. We don't have to fight, and if this forces us to recognize that what we all want is competitive Pokemon and our squabbles don't have to be escalated so, I like it.
That's all for me. I'll see some of you over at Pojo, I guess.
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Dio_theBlBelt2
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posted October 27, 2002 04:48 PM
After reading two pages of this stuff... ![[Dubious]](../tcg/graemlins/dubious.gif)
Now, I only read 2 pages of this stuff (page one seems to give us a feeling that we're falling into the Great Depression again, page two looked very good, though) so ignore what I'm going to say if someone else typed it.
I've seen very good examples of the game staying alive. Yes, the movies, Card-E, and the new episodes are good examples of the game staying alive. Unfortunatly, after reading some of these posts, there is ONE point some of you left out. It doens't matter if Wizards sets up a leauge, challenges, or anyting else to promote the game. Why? PEOPLE!!!!!! There are enough people to play that play and enjoy the game to where if anything funny happens to the leauge or any other stuff the game will stand up on its own. Let's look at Magic. Does Magic need a "leauge?" Does Magic need a gross of tournaments? Heck no! Magic is #1 beacuse people still love the game enough to ignore half of DCI's and Wizards dung. Pokemon might have reached that point. Pokemon might have enough people that have faith in the game to keep it alive.
Not convinced, how 'bout a non-pokemon example.
What backs up our money? Gold? Diamonds? The government? None of these.
The value of our money has aboslutly 0 of anything backing it up. So what makes a $1 a $1 and a $100 a $100? Faith. Believe it or not, our faith in our market and money makes it that value. There is enough people who have the same faith about our money to were we don't need anything to back it up (aka: a "floating economy").
This is were MTG is standing at now. This is why it's #1. Pokemon could be there. But, since we believe that Wizards, DCI, and who ever makes the game run as it is, we'll never know if Pokemon can float.
Just a thougt ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
[ October 27, 2002, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: Dio_theBlBelt2 ]
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ScythKing
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posted October 27, 2002 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by Dio_theBlBelt2:
What backs up our money? Gold? Diamonds? The government? None of these.
The value of our money has aboslutly 0 of anything backing it up. So what makes a $1 a $1 and a $100 a $100? Faith. Believe it or not, our faith in our market and money makes it that value.
One might question the value of floating our currency against the market and backing our currency with the "might of American Industry". Money backed by tangibles is still the best. The reason we floated the dollar was because the government was too stupid to lift the artificial fixed price of gold (it was about $38/oz. if I remember correctly). Thus the entire world was cashing in dollars for our gold and getting a helluva deal. Oh well... sorry I just hate poor similies ;-)
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Dio_theBlBelt2
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posted October 28, 2002 12:47 PM
Scyking,I was using the US economic system as a model that is similar to Magic. A system based on faith. ALl I'm trying to say is, if you put your faith into the game, not into Wizards or any other company's actions, the game will never die out.
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ShadowCard
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posted October 28, 2002 01:02 PM
The flaw in that money theory is that money is needed. thin cardboard with ink on them doesn't have a very good shot in measuring up to that. The flaw in your magic theory is that magic targets the all age brackets of kids and adults. Pokemon players usually leave by the age of 15-17. Yes, I am seeing younger kids come back to the game, but it's not enough and yu-gi-oh is dividing their interests. Wizards needs to do something to try to get people into the game.
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ukpokemonpro
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posted October 30, 2002 08:03 AM
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First of all, what if WotC does get the license back? Things presumably improve, as they don't have to worry about that problem for another few years and can focus on running the OP we all love and recognize as so important.
Except the License re-news yearly so look for the same potential problems next year.... ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif)
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"London Super Battlezone 2003"
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mysterioustrainer
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posted October 30, 2002 09:55 AM
I am with the mods in their belief that Pokemon is still here to stay. This might sound offensive so I shall apologize in advance. First I kinda think that we might be going through a tad bit of what I call off-season syndrome.
Poke-Community asks: Blindfold?
Myst says: Nope.
Poke-Community says: Cigarette?
Myst says: Don't smoke, sorry.
Poke-Community asks: What would you like on your tombstone?
Myst says: Pepperoni lovers please.
Poke-Community sighs and dunks Myst in orange jello and then washes him with Mountain Dew.
Battlezone is coming, slowly no doubt but surly. Professors don't forget that we are getting new tees for paticular reasons especially when it comes to starting a battlezone or for the insane fools (that would be me) who dedicates time and money to go to help staff premiere events. So there is one sign that we will continue.
Don't forget that Chat's tommarow (that is if MTM, MTP, and DMTM doesn't go take off for candy ahead time, dressed up as sinsiter Team Rocket trainers ![[Cool]](../tcg/cool.gif) ) And for the fact the MT's were in a meeting last week. So as the power does go out or the modem get screwed up or the MT's be stuck in a meeting (these things all happened last week), I should be able to join the rest of the community learn all of the valuable news that I am mostly sure that MTM has for us.
Along with all of the positive factors that was mentioned by others, no chance for pokemon to die. Well I am out of time to talk (English class in 5 minutes) so I am dropping my story for now and hope to pick back up later. Bye.
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RaNd0m
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posted October 30, 2002 04:33 PM
I disagree with the comment that our economy is run simply by Faith alone. Sure, that is a big part, whether the consumer is buying or not, but it's a lot more complicated than that...
In fact, the amount currency is worth is actually a competition with other countries. For example, if the European consumers lose confidence, and the Euro loses value, the Dollar (if the U.S. isn't having the same problem) actually is worth more. It's complicated :/
But regardless, nice comparison.
We could debate economics all day, but this is... a Pokemon death topic. Oh, I see. *rolls eyes*
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Dio_theBlBelt2
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posted October 31, 2002 06:30 AM
Will you all just shut-up about the money thing already. I was just trying to ue an example that everyone can relate with. It also sounds like you all missed the point of what I put there anyway. I WISH I NEVER EVEN POST IT UP THERE!!!!!!!!!!!! > ![[Frown]](../tcg/frown.gif)
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posted October 31, 2002 08:35 AM
Unfortunately, as many multiple-page topics seem to do, this thread has gone far off the original topic of discussion. Therefore, I'm forced to lock this; if anyone would like to restart discussion, please feel free to do so. Thank you all for understanding; locking the thread...
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