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Topic: Champions: A Breakthrough or a Bust?
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ebArtemis410
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posted April 09, 2002 03:24 AM
I think anything that discard cards can be bad because Feraligatr then just abuses it. But I guess without Trash Exchange, everything Feraligatr does is limited.
Oak is bad, Item finder is bad, we all know it. Energy Removal and Super aren't good for the environment because they'd slow down games like MAD. Especially with they're being very few BBP's in Modified, and like, NO BBP's in MMF.
And Lugia, I don't agree with putting Chansey in. I think a lot of decks would throw in Chanseys and 4 Metal Energy into their deck.
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posted April 09, 2002 04:00 AM
Champions can go either way.We will have to be patient.
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posted April 09, 2002 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by DMTM:
So...Oak/Search/Finder are undesirable in the Modified environment? ![[Evil Smirk]](../tcg/graemlins/Up_to.gif)
Is their one or two of them that would be okay? Or are all three no good?
How about BBP's?
Discuss please?
DMTM
All sound find to me. But then I have always been of the mind "Don't ban, balance." And I consider "rotating out" akin to banning, but also understand the need to stimulate the purchasing of the latest cards. Why hasn't a "generic" version of Brock's Protection been made? And yes I know Wizards only release the cards as they are instructed to do. I don't think TPC ever heard the phrase "the customer is always right". I re-iterate my earlier comments on ER/SER in an evironment: we spent 5 minutes using them up, 10 if we risk using up all of our Item Finders or get extremely lucky on Trash Exchange, all the while using our Pokemon and other Trainers creatively or making sure we have reliable single energy card attacks to fall back on. The game then ends at the same time 'Gatr (or any other big evo) usaually finishes-off your last poke in modified.
Oh and in response to this comment by Skywolf1: quote:
Professor Oak: Probably one of the most broken cards in the game. Allows the player to draw a fresh hand of seven cards without having to pay any cost (such as no more trainer cards).
You must be the luckiest person known. Oak is a lot like Mail from Bill, only useful. You see, the larger your hand, the greater the penalty is to use it, but it may still be used. If your deck is filled with useful cards (i.e. good), then Oak becomes less desirable to use with a large hand. When you really need it, and have efw or no cards, then it is easy to play (like mail from Bill). Mail from Bill would be a great card if it added a clause to allowed you to discard your hand so you could use it when you get into one of those annoying "my-hand-consists-of-two-evo's-I-need-but-don't-have-the-basic-and/or-stage-1s-for-and-three-Mail-from-Bills" (just insert Oak for MFB to see what normally happens to everyone in standard). As it stands, Oak is usually supplemented with a card to shuffle that 4 Oak hand back into the deck.
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posted April 09, 2002 10:31 AM
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So...Oak/Search/Finder are undesirable in the Modified environment?
Is their one or two of them that would be okay? Or are all three no good?
I would prefer not to see any of them. I could accept CPU, but I think Trader is a card that helps more types of decks (read: does not help Gator more than others).
It is true, like some have pointed out, that Oak has drawbacks. The problem is that that drawback is dramatically smaller for a specific type of decks (Haymaker and decks that benefits from getting cards in the discard pile).
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How about BBP's?
It is OK to have the occational BPP, particularly for the colors (electric, fighting) that doesn't get played much. Just don't give us SER to go with them.
Make sure that they are not spashable - so absolutely no Jungle Scyther. It is OK for a deck to have a BBP of its own color, but we don't want to make it easy to add a lot of them to a deck.
This would mean OK to Magmar (except fire doesn't need help in MMF), a resounding no to Scyther and Rockets's Zapdos, a perhaps to Buzz and Chan (but the Vending versions are much more fun) and OK for Lapras (is he a BBP?). The double retreat and the absence of energy removal and DCE makes some of these BBPs less powerful.
If you release BBPs make sure they don't have a resistance. A card like Scyther - which a lot of people would use against Gator - would make fighting decks completely uncompetitive. Releasing Buzz and Chan would on the other hand help fighting and psychic decks.
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posted April 09, 2002 11:16 AM
IMO we should have at least 2 heavy drawing card like elm,oak,whrath.WE have already elm so one of the other 2 would be good.
About SER: no, please,kingdra takes already too much confusion in this environment plus wiz. needs easy banning rules: 2 per deck??So we are forcing people to play SER because we would cry noisy "SER is broken,play it".
Evolutions are the most beuatiful things in the game, why cut 'em off?
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posted April 09, 2002 11:40 AM
Hmm. It appears that you are quite divided on this. Although I do see quite a few of you saying no to CPU and Oak.
Looks like you want some BBP's. But again are not quite unified in this as well.
The set underwent it's last "look over" two weeks ago and is final.
I'm happy to see that some of you agree with some of the decisions we have made on some of the cards. Of course that means some of you don't. Sigh. Oh well you can please some of the....
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posted April 09, 2002 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by DMTM:
Hmm. It appears that you are quite divided on this. Although I do see quite a few of you saying no to CPU and Oak.
Looks like you want some BBP's. But again are not quite unified in this as well.
The set underwent it's last "look over" two weeks ago and is final.
I'm happy to see that some of you agree with some of the decisions we have made on some of the cards. Of course that means some of you don't. Sigh. Oh well you can please some of the....
Gengar says he dosen't care of course...he always gets what he wants!
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So does this mean the set is a reprint set like the letter to the store owners said? I am guessing since Gengar gets what he wants that he will make an appearence in the new set too!! Correct? Wait, you won't answer that, you never give us any juicey details. ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
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posted April 09, 2002 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by DMTM:
So...Oak/Search/Finder are undesirable in the Modified environment?
Is their one or two of them that would be okay? Or are all three no good?
How about BBP's?
Discuss please?
DMTM
I would love to see Computer Search and Item Finder to come back. I love using these cards for that last min shoot of the kill. Ya the cards are broken by some player rules, but so is the Gator by other players, yet some still play with it. I think Item Finder would be the biggest help. That way I would be able to have only a few of some trainers and be able to get them back to my hand if needed.
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posted April 09, 2002 12:13 PM
Truthfully, Oak, C. Search, I. Finder, and a few others are bad. Very bad. As stated, Gatr takes Oak and just makes it twisted. Worse than Wrath. Not that Wrath is all that nice when Gatr'd LOL. As for others. Well, Bill I'm glad to see coming back. Bill was free, and breaks that second draw rule, but then you can do it other ways as well. Broken? Not in the least. Trading one card for two from your deck, not an all powerful game busting move. Item Finder? Again, increasing the theoretical number of trainers in a deck is a bent rule, but not broken. Especially when you are restricting the amount of other 'power cards' Computer Search falls pretty much in the same category, just in the opposite direction.
As for BBP's, well we have a decent selection of them now. Adding Hitmonchan, Scyther, Electabuzz, and others back into the mix would see a return of the Haymaker as the dominant deck. Faster than Gatr, killing off the Crocanaw's and Totodiles before Gatr comes out. So you'd see the tournament environment switch from Gatr to Haymaker.
Yes, Sneasel had to go once ER/SER was out. But then, so do alot of things in that situation. So how can we look forward to rebuilding the past? Again, we should be looking at the future. We've already seen that stop-gap sets aren't the answer. Base Set 2 has it's 'other' nickname for a reason. Once the clamp down on Modified went into place, the set was relegated to one only for people who really, really wanted a Charizard (or some card) but didn't get it from Base Set. We'd most likely see the same thing going on. True, according to the scuttlebutt, we'll be using Champions in the 'new' Modified. So we'll be able to use this 'Base Set 3' But at the same time, if we're going to remove Rocket from Modified, then some of those cards should be reprinted. I don't know of many people who are still looking for cards from TR, but sometimes I find that I'm short on a particular card, so I go find 20 or 30 packs of TR and fill the need. Of course I get a few good trading cards at the same time LOL. So a few Gym and Rocket reprints would be ok. Heck the Erika's Victreebell decks are really just coming around, and here they go out the window. Such a shame.
Again, we'll have to see what the new list looks like, but I still just can't see anything good in pool reductions right now. We just don't have the card pool to take up the slack right now. Maybe for the next tournament season we'll have more sets out, if, and that's a mighty BIG IF, TPC lets good cards out/lets VS get printed, and so on. If we get another three, maybe four sets, ie, another 300 cards, then losing 300 wouldn't be so bad. Even with the particular cards we'd be losing. And those three sets provide more of the variety in the current environment than any others. Not to mention getting rid of not one, but two gengars.....
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posted April 09, 2002 12:30 PM
It's in the best of hands DMTM.
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posted April 09, 2002 01:42 PM
What kind of chaos busts out when I don't visit the boards for over a week... ![[Bored]](../tcg/graemlins/dozey.gif)
Well, there are some serious points that I have to offer...
Remember when Base2 came out? There was a decrease, (though slight), in popularity of the game. Not everybody wants only reprints of older cards. I don't know how you could re-print the cards, and make people want them. If you re-word the newer cards, not only would it be nearly impossible to get permission to do it, but it's killing the original cards that we're trying to bring back!
Secondly...Without the broken cards, what kind of set would we have? Nidoking, Dewgong, Gyarados, Venomoth? I'm sorry, and I'm not trying to start more of a riot, but with the great cards removed, this set will most likely turn out like Gym1. When was the last time you used a "non-broken" Gym1 card? Usually, the only card ANYONE uses from this set is Misty's Wrath! And it's used beyond belief!
I'll start this upcoming thought with a confusing thought. We need to get rid of, or reduce the use of the double-sided, un-broken cards. I'm trying to say that the game needs to get back a little towards helping YOU, NOT your opponent. How many cards from Base-Fossil help your opponent? Almost NONE! Another confusing thought. Modified, on occasion, requires TOO MUCH thought, and too much trouble to play a good deck! All of the reasonable cards are double-edged.
I'll be here all night if I keep this up, so I'll leave it up to you all to continue...
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posted April 09, 2002 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by Baboon:
Secondly...Without the broken cards, what kind of set would we have? Nidoking, Dewgong, Gyarados, Venomoth?
Another confusing thought. Modified, on occasion, requires TOO MUCH thought, and too much trouble to play a good deck! All of the reasonable cards are double-edged...
Huh? ![[Dubious]](../tcg/graemlins/dubious.gif) Can you really be serious? ![[Confused]](../tcg/confused.gif) In my view, this game is all about out-thinking your opponent! At least, for me it is. And, perhaps one or two of those cards you listed might just be useful... ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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posted April 09, 2002 02:13 PM
Nidoking! C'mon Nidoking! (think we might get the vending nidoran or nidorino?)
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posted April 09, 2002 02:49 PM
First of all, and I think everyone agrees on this.
NO OAK!!!!!
Now, Computer Search and Item Finder are completely dependent on the cards that are available. Computer Search would make slowking/steelix decks too strong. All they have to search for is that single stage 1 and clean up. All of the most popular decks are stage 2 decks that build up and attack. Computer search would break that balance. It's impossible to stop a fully powered steelix unless you are running a fire deck. Poision takes too long. Then again, it does decrease the amount of luck that has plagued the "Standard" format ever since the idea was started. We already have our pokemon search card (Breeder Fields). I'm suprised stage one decks don't use it more often.
However, inserting it back into the format would increase the power of cleffa, essentially bringing back the PC Search/Oak, combo.
I would support bringing back Pokemon Trader though, it limits your options and can't be abused as easily.
As for Item finder, it is only as broken as the trainers in the format. It does increase the skill level, unless people start to abuse it. Findering for an Elm isn't as bad as an oak, nor is findering a double gust. With trash exchange out, we don't have to worry about infinity decks.
Pokemon Breeder wouldn't be that bad, the only pokemon I can think of that it would actually help is Amphy. There are no Stage 2's with a decent attack for one energy. And it does increase the speed. This card is dependent on the stage 2 pokemon. Feraligatr won't use it, it can't attack for a turn. Typhlosion might use it, but the power is so flippy it won't be that effective. Crobat won't use it, trigger poision only does 20 in a high HP enviroment. Any other stage 2 in the game won't use it because it doesn't do anything for them. With all the shuffling back in your hand cards there are, it loses much effectiveness. Besides, it might revive "fossil" mew. The person using Breeder takes a huge risk.
There does have to be an alternate form of card drawing, though. I wouldn't mind bringing back erika or some other drawing card from gym, as long as it isn't wrath or trash exchange.
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posted April 09, 2002 03:12 PM
As much as I like Oak in Unlimited, I wouldn't like to see him in MMF.
BBPs are needed...
Bring back Genesis Sneasel ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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posted April 10, 2002 02:49 AM
This set, will bring back old cards? This will only effect players who do not have the older versions of these cards. I personaly have... around 80 Bills. I really dont want to see Bill again in a new set, nor do I want to see old cards in a new set- I meen, why would I buy more cards of the same thing I allready have? I think this is one of those sets I may just traide what I have to compleate- "Oh I'll trade a bill for the new bill" --- "Ok" kind of thing. But all that aside, some cards I would'nt mind having a biger pool for would be mettal and dark engery and maybe even rainbow- IMO I never saw this card pulled enough- and people want it- bad- as it is I only have 4 of each and have lately traded mettal in a combo deal for one of the 3 star rairs... (anther thing I did not enjoy) So- will the next set be a bust? In my personal expearance people in my aera like to see NEW stuff- and although we have a few new players who have not seen the older cards- (and dont buy base set2 cards or the older sets) most of the people are old school who have seen all the older stuff. And its true- people like getting newer card packs for some resion- so in a way rerelicing some older cards wouldnt be such a bad thing- as long as the system used for putting them in the boosters is good- I dont want every pull to be "Oh look ANTHER bill..." that will be BANE!! (bad)
Also- IF they are going to make every card foil---(really dont mind that in a way-) Dont make the foil version harder to get- make sure all packs contain 1 or 2 of them, perhaps the true rair cards could be reverse foil, those are really cool, and if engery (basic) is going to be re-relised again--- make it reverse foil- I know those were specal promos- but some of us had hard times getting them--- just an idea. Basic Mettal and Dark engery with no specal benifents would also be exelent... although most people will say that will be broken.... and I understand why.
So all in all- as long as there is enough NEW cards and some good trainers (I like to draw, better have some new ones that do that =D) I think I may in fact buy a box at least. If there are not- then this will flop big time.
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posted April 10, 2002 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by DMTM:
So...Oak/Search/Finder are undesirable in the Modified environment?
Is their one or two of them that would be okay? Or are all three no good?
How about BBP's?
Discuss please?
DMTM
IMHO I don't think there is anything wrong with these cards. The problem was in how they were used to go get the "power" cards such as the ever popular Plus Power or DCE trying for the FTKO. I've watched trainers wade thru 2/3 of their deck tring to stack up Plus Powers on a Hitmo to get it.
Oak adds speed at the cost of discarding what you have in your hand - acceptable penalty.
CPU requires discarding to get what you want - acceptable penalty.
Item Finder allows you to get any single trainer back out of the discard pile with a discard. Hmmmm - I really love Item Finder but it seems that this is a facilitator of the abuses we are trying to avoid by letting you get those Oaks, CPU's and whatnot out for another spin. I'd say leave it out. (*sigh* I just had to be honest!)
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posted April 10, 2002 06:29 AM
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Oak adds speed at the cost of discarding what you have in your hand - acceptable penalty.
Um...no. Usually the hand getting Oaked is 3 cards or less. 3 for 7 is not acceptable. And more often than not it's either 1 or 0 cards getting Discarded. Also there's Discard 2 cards to play CPU Search so now i have no hand so i get Oak and now have 7 new cards. That's why Oak should remain locked with Sneasel (and the Brooks).
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posted April 10, 2002 06:40 AM
CPU....yeah let it in. Pokegear or whatever the "neo version of cpu" just does not get the job done.
I-F....it should be allowed in also.
oak....as much as I hate to say it NO WAY. Elm is great the way that it is. Elm checks off the "Trainermon" that people were tired of when modified was given to us.
You could still I-F for am Elm, Play pokes, play energy, Play trainers that you needed to play, then Elm if you wnated to. Yeah I know that this will leave the door open for G8R but you need this for other decks also. It is just the way it goes.
Breader and trader would be great. Second turn stage 2 with a babies up front or basics up front would be great.
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posted April 10, 2002 08:10 AM
I agree. Until I see a set list or something I can not comment. All I can hope for is that the non -Pokemon Trainer(Brock ,Misty, Erika, etc.) Stadium cards such as Chaos Gym and Rocket's Training Gym are kept in Champions. Those Gyms are still needed!!
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posted April 10, 2002 10:40 AM
AcrticJedi: I disagree
But for the sake of making modified actually "remain" different, I accept the lack of either Oak or CPUSearch. However, I really want to see Gambler return. No one ever called it broken-except the kids wo saw me use it (with insane amounts of luck). I prefer it to Elm or Oak in any non-Hay Standard deck (yes we see those at out tournaments and League). No discard (I always get a starting hand of like generic weak basic, Oak x 4, and two Rainbow when I use oak). I don't care for Elm because it denies me Trainers (I am this close to risking use of Bill's Teleporter). So give me my Gambler!
Oh, and for those not familiar with the card, Gambler has you shuffle you hand in, flip a coin, and on heads draw 8, on tails drsaw 1. Ironically, some of the "broken" moments I mentioned occured when I would draw one and then get what I needed most.
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posted April 10, 2002 11:59 AM
Ever draw 1 card on Gambler and it was an Oak?
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posted April 10, 2002 12:19 PM
yeah I have gotten an Oak or a bill.
But that is still going back to the "Flip-O-Mon" that the game has turned into.
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posted April 10, 2002 12:20 PM
Now gambler is a good idea. It requires a flip, but if it isn't heads then they can just eeeeeeek for a new hand. That's the main problem.
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posted April 10, 2002 12:29 PM
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Oak reprint = Huge Bad News Bears.
Okay, this is how I see it.
Modified with TR-GC rotating out is bringing back Base-Rocket, except done right this time. No broken downside-less cards.
Oak has a negligible downside. Gust has no downside. Computer Search and Item Finder have very acceptable downsides. Compare to Modified counterparts... Elm has a huge downside. Double Gust has a huge downside. Comp and Item have no equivilents. In modified, You have to consider the repercussions of playing these trainers. Oak & co. take a lot less time. "Should I play Professor OI dont even need to finish the name I'll play it." "If I Elm, I won't be able to play Focus, but if I Mission, I'll have to discard the Metal..." And so on.
I, given the choice, would not have ANY of the power trainers from Base reprinted, with the possible exception of Scoop Up. Not Oak, not Plus, not Comp, not ANY.
As for BBPs, I think a few choice ones would liven things up a bit. Without the Base trainers, it's unlikely that Haymakers will make a resurgence. Hitmonchan, Electabuzz, and Scyther would make a good addition. But under no circumstances reprint base Chansey. With no ER to tame it, it would dominate.
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In A.D. 2001 War Was Beginning
(explosion)
Lord Gothmog: What Happen?
Master Trainer Mike: Someone Set Up Us The Bomb.
Dark Master Trainer Mike: We Get Signal.
LG: What!
DMTM: Main Screen Turn On.
LG: It's You!!
Hasbro: How Are You Gentlemen!!
Hasbro: All Your 15+ Are Belong To Us.
Hasbro: You Are On The Way To M:TG.
LG: What You Say!!
Hasbro: You Have No Chance For Pokemon Make Your Time.
Hasbro: Ha Ha Ha Ha ....
LG: Take Off Every "Protest"!!
LG: You Know What You Doing.
LG: Move Protest.
LG: For Great Justice.
From: The Sub-Basement of Solitude | Registered: Feb 2001
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