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DJ Professor L
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posted August 25, 2002 03:43 PM
Im new to the internet and have been playing Pokemon for about 2 years now. I got into the game because my nephew was into it and thought it was fun to play.
I've been gone from the game for a while because I work in California. I recently moved to the state I am currently in and I have kinda started back up because now i only live close to my newphew.
I was told of the Professor Program and heard alot of things about it. Some good, some bad.
I thought I'd join it because it's basically the only way to play in large events.
I remember the STS's. I attended and played in the ECSTS (15+ ofcourse) and had a great time. The prize wasn't that big, but hey, there was plenty of coverage, competition, and great people to hang out with. And since I got to go for free because my nephew won a trip in a tournament it was over all a great time.
But now, in order to play you must join this Program. I mean, it's not that bad. I don't mind judging but I don't think it's for everyone. Like my nephew says, "we didn't play the game to judge".
I am willing to give up a little time to keep the game going if it totally relys on us Professors.
I read Ness's article and it really made me think, that they should do something where younger 15+ (teens) can do their own thing and play, while us non-competitive Professors could work behind the scenes.
I've met Ness and hes a cool kid. He woulden't do anything to try to bring an uproar. He loves the game just like all of us here. But, it is going to take some sacrafice from some of us to help get the ball rolling on this Program. Im willing to give it a shot.
On the other hand, I think it isn't fair for people just turning 15+ to just be taken out of the spotlight so quick, I mean, judging isnt for everyone and thats why theres a big fight within this online Poke-Group.
I also am reading about a big license thing. But, since its supposably near the end of the contract, aren't all talks of it and meetings over? Didn't The Pokemon Company attend the recent World Championships? I honestly think thats what will help them decide the future of who distributes their product, not peddy arguments on a message board.
Just my thoughts.
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posted August 25, 2002 04:07 PM
I was talking to Nick15 over AIM yesterday and he pointed out something interesting: What if Pokemon was marketed as a family game? Candyland is a "kids game" and there really isn't a following of 15+ for Candyland (though there are always exceptions O_o). Monopoly on the other hand is a family game. If you play Monopoly and you're over 15, you aren't ridiculed for it. Why? Because it's a "family game". So a 15+ following of a family game would be acceptable, and maybe some things could be negotiated with TPC for 15+. It's just an idea, and I think it's a pretty cool one. Props to Nick for thinking it up ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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posted August 25, 2002 04:17 PM
Well, TMP was created so family members could play together. Of course 15-17 year olds seem to be almost separate from the family entirely in this culture.
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posted August 25, 2002 06:03 PM
Sorry if someone has already said this, because I don't have the time or energy to read all of those pages. But I think that if we all REALLY want our 15+ back, we should simply stop buying cards and never come to professor events and even REFUSE to become a professor when we turn 15! If there are then so few professors, the program will be injured and WoTC might possibly take the hint and bring back a real 15+. Just a suggestion. Many would be too afraid to carry it out though.
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posted August 25, 2002 06:08 PM
Wow, this is some topic. I've read a bunch and I've finally decided what I feel about this.
The answer was in the very first post...
"For the 15+ player, there is almost no reason to stay in the game."
You're right, there is no reason for a 15+ who WANTS SOMETHING from playing Pokemon (other than the enjoyment of competition) to stay in the game.
Leave.
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posted August 25, 2002 06:19 PM
just bring back 15+ to the GC and SC, and every1 will be happy. If that was acomplished, their wuldn't be an arguement. why can't that happen?
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posted August 25, 2002 06:20 PM
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You're right, there is no reason for a 15+ who WANTS SOMETHING from playing Pokemon (other than the enjoyment of competition) to stay in the game.
A box at Worlds wasn't enough?
Did you even see MTM's post? QT's and a Professor Championship plan are in the works.
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posted August 25, 2002 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by RaindanceKing:
Sorry if someone has already said this, because I don't have the time or energy to read all of those pages. But I think that if we all REALLY want our 15+ back, we should simply stop buying cards and never come to professor events and even REFUSE to become a professor when we turn 15! If there are then so few professors, the program will be injured and WoTC might possibly take the hint and bring back a real 15+. Just a suggestion. Many would be too afraid to carry it out though.
-RDK
...or, they could just say "To hell with it" and exclude the 15+ entirely. That might be what they'd do, yup.
*big ol' sigh*...Good lord, people. Just because the topic has 10 pages of posts is no excuse to skip some of what is REALLY GOOD READING and post blindly. Take some time, read over the facts, and let's stop with these blanket "WotC should do this" statements. They don't have complete control over the game, remember.
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posted August 25, 2002 06:45 PM
Hey, okay, let's spend $500 going there and get a $100 compensation, and if you win, you'll double your costs, but hey, no one will care!
This has been said before in the past.
Competiting, winning, and the glory > Products
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posted August 25, 2002 07:09 PM
EB is correct. Heck, it even goes to the other end of the equation-I got two boxes of LC for juging at GenCon, but I also got memories that will last forever. Which do you think I value more?
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posted August 25, 2002 07:34 PM
How about this figure: 90 15+ participated in the Worlds Professor Tournament and 64 for the 10 and under. I think this is a moot point. 15+ needs some type of organized play. Be it Professor tourneys or whatever.
Not mentioning any names, but when a Parent or parent(s) travel all over the country to volunteer to judge and their kids are no longer into Pokemon that is some kind of dedication to a game. Wouldn't you say??
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posted August 25, 2002 11:27 PM
You have hmmm, let me say 12 HRS before this gets locked.
IF ANYONE WHO IS ANYONE has NOT bothered to POST here... I DOUBT 'llBOTHER to get through 10 pgs.
I'll sift THROUGH MUCH of this in a while...
12 hrs. you read...
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posted August 26, 2002 12:00 AM
So I have slogged my way through 10 pages some good posts, some rants that seem to reflect deep rooted feelings.
And my conclusion from all this is...
We are going the right way with the professor programme but it does need tweaking.
I am not saying it is right and yes if we could I would like 15+ back again as a tourney division not a professor side event but that is not going to happen yet...
To those that rant about not joining the professor programme .. have you tried it yet?
There is something to be said for giving back to this game we all play and love. If you don't love it enough to give up your time, energy and money to it then maybe you sould play something else.
As to the up coming renewal; or not, of rights to publis the game. A point to ponder ...
It seems to me that Hasbro/WotC got Star Wars because of their ability to offer the whole package of toys, games and CCG, together with a good OP package.
Look at the good Pokemon toys out there.. Hasbro made too, so a good package is on offer to TPO of Toys, Games and CCG with great OP and an established customer base.
On the flip side think of Deciper and all those loyal Star Wars CCG players that now have to change their cards... Think of the uproar they caused and think how little they influenced Lucas Films decision on Licensing..
I hope TPC has the sense to see how good WotC are and can be. I hope they note that we are a loyal and vocal customer base and I ope they have the sense to keep that going.
So in conclusion I say let's build on what we have, let's work towards 15+/Seniors/Professor Callenges whatever.. but we have to work for that now .. GIMME GIMME time is OVER!
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posted August 26, 2002 12:17 AM
Only 12 hours? Jeez, I was waiting for my ulcer to quit acting up! Heck, it takes 12 hours to weed thru all of it. ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
I'm gonna jump all over the map here so, bear with me.
As for all of the claims that "PokeParents" aren't competitive, put that to bed here and now. Some are more cut-throat than some players I've seen under the age of 18. Should the 15+ have a competitive category? You're damned skippy it should. However, if you want to make a convincing argument, make it! All I'm hearing is: Where's mine? I'm not hearing too many suggestions that would bring it back. Don't keep rehashing all of the old points. EVERYONE KNOWS ALL THE OLD POINTS! That dog won't hunt anymore. Make some new points. Provide something that may be workable.
As for MTM's announcement, it was probably already in the works. This isn't some fundamental shift to quash all the griping and moaning. This is the long view coming to fruition. Does it make me happy? Sure does. Do NOT view this as a VICTORY. View this as a step up. View this as an OPPORTUNITY to show TPC that we can play like civil people. View this as an opportunity to UNDO any damage that OUR age group has done.
Now, Pokemon 101, 201, etc IS something that we SHOULD be doing for a few reasons:
1. It brings in new blood.
2. It SHOWCASES the contributions that the vertran players can make to the game.
3. Free publicity and exposure for WotC AND TPC.
Now, I'm pretty sure that WotC had little to no control over the security arrangements at Worlds as they don't own the venue, as I have done some work in that area in the past. We do live in a post-9/11 world and security is at a premium. Yes, there should have been a bit more press coverage for the Professor Challenge. However, all of the most popular Pokemon TCG websites had little to no coverage of the Professor Challenge either, so take that as a call to action. We can provide the same thing to the Pokemon public as WotC can in terms of Press Coverage on the internet.
Should Pokemon be marketed as a family game? Yes. There are more than enough Pokemon families that WotC can call upon to showcase, for example, the Brooks', the Diamonds', the Gurta's, etc. However, demographics and sales figures don't lie. Has WotC considered a new demographic, such as the family aspect?
Can WotC lose the license to Pokemon? Sure. Just as sure as I could lose my job to some kid with a shiny new diploma who will work for 20% less than I do. Would it make good business sense for TPC to shift the license to NoA? Probably not because of the superior position that WotC/Hasbro is in for a few reasons:
1. Hasbro has the license for producing toys for mass marketing. They're still selling pretty well.
2. WotC has VAST experience in managing, producing, and distributing TCGs.
3. WotC has a superior position with Organized Play.
What should our priorities be right now? Keeping the game with a company that does an excellent job in supporting its players with organized play and events or reestablishing Premier play for a competitive age group? I think the choice is clear. Let's not cut off our noses to spite our faces.
Jason, use that soapbox for something constructive for EVERYONE, not just one specific age group. You have a voice that does span all the age groups that are in the game. Use it for such a purpose, not to rabblerouse or rehash old arguments that are well past tired and dogged.
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posted August 26, 2002 12:18 AM
Phew!
This topic has exploded!
So, before it's locked I'd like to have my say...
1) I'm WELL over 15
2) It is obvious that the 15-17 age group is frustrated by the disappearance of the 15+ organised play and it would be silly for us 18+ to ignore this or to stubbornly argue that the 15-17 age bracket should accept the current situation or leave. Their frustration is real, although we may not agree with their suggested solutions.
3) The 15-17 group will have to accept that WotC doesn't own the rights for Pokémon TCG and have at least one hand tied behind their back by TPC. If the situation is going to change it will take TIME!
4) I would like to see some sort of organised play that would satisfy the "need" of the 15-17 age bracket, BUT then the 15-17 group will also have to face up to the fact that they are getting so old that they can't expect prizes like free trips. If you're 9 years old you can't save up enough money for a trip, if you're 16 you can...
5) I hope that WotC CAN do anything about the situation, but understand fully if they can't.
6) The Professors' progam fulfills an important function and should NOT be discontinued.
7) I thought that we were brought together by the love of this game? Please, please, please be friends! ![[Angel]](../tcg/graemlins/angel.gif)
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posted August 26, 2002 02:01 AM
*nips in for two pence worth before lockdown..*
Our main concern should surely be to help WOTC retain the license in whatever small way we can..improving the public image of the game and its players, showing how fun it can be - the reason I started playing in the first place ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
Pokemon 101 is a great idea for the above, and I'm sure the developing team format will also play a part in any debate that Pokemon is not turning into as serious a game as Magic, swinging away from the younger age groups. (is prepared to clarify that statement )
I think the Professor Programme is a great idea - it extends the organised play arm of WOTC, equipping or teaching many more people rulings knowledge and judging experience, which they can then apply to run their own tournaments/leagues etc. It's not the solution to the 15+ question, but I don't really believe it was meant to be; it's certainly not a 'fob off' to silence people!
Giving a little back is another very satisfying benefit - teaching new players the game is very enjoyable, every player should try it!
Obviously, a large number of people want 15+ play back, myself included. I started the game relatively 'late' (child/young adult wise) at 15, so I didn't have much of a chance at large tournament scale OP before the bombshell dropped. Having said that, I loved the experience of competitive play, and will still continue to do so. I'd do anything possible that would help it's return, but for the moment, I think priorities should be focused elsewhere - points in my first paragraph. I'm encouraged by MTM's hints of good things to come for Professors, and believe that this is yet another good reason for joining the Programme.
To summarise: the players will always have a listening ear from WOTC, who have, and will continue to listen to and try to address grievances, as well as accept suggestions. I don't think this would be the case if the license were to change hands. It's in our interest therefore to help WOTC so that they will be able to help us - synergy
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posted August 26, 2002 03:06 AM
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Pokemon 101 is a great idea for the above, and I'm sure the developing team format will also play a part in any debate that Pokemon is not turning into as serious a game as Magic, swinging away from the younger age groups. (is prepared to clarify that statement )
I think the Professor Programme is a great idea - it extends the organised play arm of WOTC, equipping or teaching many more people rulings knowledge and judging experience, which they can then apply to run their own tournaments/leagues etc. It's not the solution to the 15+ question, but I don't really believe it was meant to be; it's certainly not a 'fob off' to silence people!
Giving a little back is another very satisfying benefit - teaching new players the game is very enjoyable, every player should try it![/QB]
Okay, so we NEEDED the Professor Program so that people would teach the younger kids the finer points? Don't think so, we've ALWAYS willing to give a helping hand to a new player or someone who wants to step up to the next level.
If that truly was the purpose of the Professor Program, just to make people help out their communities, then that's wasted money! We're not getting ANYTHING new! Rulings? We could've always asked at the chat or call Customer Service! The one thing I think we did get is a mailing list for TMP and a whole lot of headaches!
I'm really hoping things change next year.
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posted August 26, 2002 04:03 AM
eb, did you not read my last post on that issue? As I said, the teachers have become far more numerous and far more skilled as a result of the program.
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posted August 26, 2002 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by TRCassidy:
I was talking to Nick15 over AIM yesterday and he pointed out something interesting: What if Pokemon was marketed as a family game? Candyland is a "kids game" and there really isn't a following of 15+ for Candyland (though there are always exceptions O_o). Monopoly on the other hand is a family game. If you play Monopoly and you're over 15, you aren't ridiculed for it. Why? Because it's a "family game". So a 15+ following of a family game would be acceptable, and maybe some things could be negotiated with TPC for 15+. It's just an idea, and I think it's a pretty cool one. Props to Nick for thinking it up
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Good idea, very good idea. If we can bring all age groups into the game, then eventually it'll probably end up where people will drift into different age groups at the tournaments. Or something like that. I can try to clarify it for you if you wanna email me about it.
The commercials all make Pokemon look like a kid's game because you almost never see any adults or parents in the commercials. If they put out a commercial where a family is pictured playing the game (in TMP if possible) then maybe that will get the word out to those who don't come to these boards.
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posted August 26, 2002 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by RaindanceKing:
Sorry if someone has already said this, because I don't have the time or energy to read all of those pages. But I think that if we all REALLY want our 15+ back, we should simply stop buying cards and never come to professor events and even REFUSE to become a professor when we turn 15! If there are then so few professors, the program will be injured and WoTC might possibly take the hint and bring back a real 15+. Just a suggestion. Many would be too afraid to carry it out though.
-RDK
Conversely: perhaps all the Tournament Organizers, Judges, and Gym Leaders should all take a...."vacation"...at the same time? Since many, if not most of them are volunteers and do the work on their own time? Has anyone stopped to think what could happen in that scenario?
Come on! It has been said, over and over and over and over, that there is NEVER going to be a "real 15+" ever again. It is not going to happen, so why keep asking for it?
I know: I'm "standing in the way" of the 15+. I "don't want real competition for the 15+." No: I'm reminding people of the reality of the situation, whether you WANT to hear it or not.
MTM has posted about certain things that are in the works, and suddenly everyone who has been making these demands is taking that as a "we won, we got MTM to listen" and running with it to the erroneous conclusion that the "real 15+" is within reach. It isn't, and won't be, as the MTs themselves posted...but of course the people who are posting these demands have not read this, since they "can't be bothered" to read the preceding posts.
A suggestion: if you plan to post and have your post taken seriously, then at least take the time to READ the posts which have come before yours. Don't just read the first post in the thread and chime in with "I agree 100%".
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posted August 26, 2002 07:07 AM
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Okay, so we NEEDED the Professor Program so that people would teach the younger kids the finer points? Don't think so, we've ALWAYS willing to give a helping hand to a new player or someone who wants to step up to the next level.
If that truly was the purpose of the Professor Program, just to make people help out their communities, then that's wasted money! We're not getting ANYTHING new! Rulings? We could've always asked at the chat or call Customer Service! The one thing I think we did get is a mailing list for TMP and a whole lot of headaches!
I'm really hoping things change next year.[/QB]
I guess you don't remember the days where one of the biggest complaints about the STS's and qualifiers was a lack of qualified judges. And guess who was doing the most complaining then?
It's really easy to say "let those who want to judge, judge, and leave us to our competition". But when there's not enough qualified judges that everyone griped about, I guess that'll be WOTC's fault as well.
And then when those people that DONATED their time and energy to the STS's were invited to a judge only or MBI, all you heard was "How come I wasn't invited!?!?"
I want what he's got, but I'm not willing to do the work that he did to get it. Sheesh.
I want qualified judges, I want free trips, I want better prizes, I want recognition, I want.........And in exchange I'll, ummm, buy your product. After all, look at all the stuff I get if I buy Yu-gi-oh, or DBZ, or Magination ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif)
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posted August 26, 2002 07:15 AM
all i wanna do is play in a large scale MMF turney. simple as that. will the prof challenges be in that format??? I have yet to recieve an answer. if they're not in that format there is no reason for me to play, cuz standard is boring, and draft is too luck based. And if there eveer was the possibility of a real 15+, that'd be great, but we will prolly have to go to the prof tourneys for competitive play. Just make the turneys MMF. That wuld make it feel more like the "real 15+".
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posted August 26, 2002 07:19 AM
We don't know what the 15+ format will be (hopefully not Rochester Draft-I can't take two hours of standing like that again). Maybe Neo-on, maybe some other format the MTs want to test. Maybe my deck-swap format, but then we'd have to kill all the lawyers.
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posted August 26, 2002 07:55 AM
Well...do all of you 15+ers remember when you were 14 at QTs and you'd always complain that the head judge was just a Magic judge =\
Also here's a funny AIM conversation I had with someone. This person will remain annoymous due to embarrassment sake.
annonymous: I'm seriously thinking about quitting. It's like not fair. The 14- gets much more prizes at the Stadiums than the Professors did.
soslow: Well uhh I was at 2/3 of the Stadiums and I didn't notice anything. But I got in 33rd at both of them >_< so I didn't really care =\
annonymous: They got a lot more. Trust me.
soslow: Well, the only thing I saw different @ the Stadiums was that the West Coast got LC instead of Destiny for prizes. And there wasn't really a set prize thingy for Professors. -Since they didn't have any prizes to give them at the event o_O
annonymous: Whatever. I mean, the Professor Championship didn't even get a proper awards ceremony, it was like, take your jacket and go.
soslow: well uhh what time did the Prof. Championship finish?
annonymous: 11PM
solsow: =\!!!
Dude, you wonder why..=\
annonymous: and even the worlds prizes were better. Why couldn't they give me original art and a limited edition electroflip.
soslow: DUDE!! *Draws picture of feraligatr* here! take this and if you want an electroflip i'll give you one too =\\\
annonymous: No these things were limited edition.
soslow: well, i dont think the winners were expecting original art=\ and if you're gonna quit cause Wizards isn't giving you an electroflip that's just =\\\ Man =\
...he completely forgot that he was one of only 7 or so Professors that actually got trips to worlds
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posted August 26, 2002 11:23 AM
Lots of words, here … but it all comes down to a couple facts:
DMTM told us: “You see we just don't own the game you want us to change. It really does not matter to me if you believe I'm lying or not. The game was never designed for the exact kind of system you want to see. Nor will we be able to implement that system now.”
And MTM said: “Pokemon will not move backwards. There won't be an adult crowned a Pokemon World Champion.”
A few more simple facts:
In Japan, The Pokemon Company continues to hold tournaments that are very well attended – by players 14-and-under.
Pokemon (TCG and related anime, manga, etc.) continues to be a successful, best-selling “brand” in Japan – for fans 14-and-under.
Pokemon will never be a mini-Magic the Gathering with pro tours, world championships in exotic foreign cities, and cash prizes because TPC designed and marketed Pokemon TCG for =amateur= players 14-and-under.
If WOTC doesn’t cooperate with TPC’s vision of the game, TPC will simply license the product to someone else who =is= willing to toe the line. That “other company” could be Nintendo or some other TCG company … virtually all other TCG companies run some sort of organized play (OP). Some other TCG companies’ OP is just as “first-class” (IMHO) as WOTC OP. If you don’t believe me, attend a few conventions or a few national tournaments for other TCGs and scope out the level of prizes awarded. Then again, you already know this: Magic the Gathering has first-class tournament support, since WOTC owns it and can support a robust all-ages tournament program with prizes to match.
So, despite the mass hysteria that Ness’ little rant provoked, the bottom line will always be the same: as owner of the game, TPC dictates much of the way its game is marketed overseas. Ranting and railing against WOTC’s “master trainers” or WizPOG moderators or various “professors” or other individuals on the boards is so misguided it’s silly. Even if MTM and all the rest were 100 percent behind the notion of “bringing back the 15+ division,” it’s just not up to them. TPC is trying to tighten their hold on Pokemon OP. A barrage of American or European e-mails is unlikely to change that – who are they going to listen to: a few hundred (thousand?) =older= foreign players who are begging to be included? Or their own sales figures and marketing analysts who tell them their target audience is the 14-and-under crowd?
MTM asked, “What exactly would you want? No more vague ‘bring back 15+’ statements please. Be specific.” Seven pages of postings followed, but what new ideas arose? I read them all ... “Sanctioned, recognized and public tournaments?” TPC says “No.” “Give the 15+ chances at their own, large-prize tournaments?” TPC says “No.”
Really, since WOTC will not/cannot give the same press coverage, publicity/prize support etc. to any sort of “15+ tournament,” there’s little anybody can suggest, other than going along with the only really creative “outside-the-box” solution offered so far: the Pokemon Professor program. Sorry if it leaves all of you who thirst for the tournament limelight out of the picture, but them’s the breaks. As DMTM concluded in his post: “You have two choices, you can give the Prof program a chance and play in all non age category tournaments or you can do as you have said, leave the game for another that offers you more of what you want. I don't see any other options for you at this time. Given your demands for what we do with Pokémon.”
Pokemon TCG is a game with a “glass ceiling” – when you hit age 15, you’re no longer part of the “competitive” game. You can play, but you will not be officially “recognized,” except for whatever recognition you can get within the Professor Program. If it’s not enough for you, it’s probably time to accept you’ve grown beyond this game and move on.
Of course, if any of you are actually playing this game for =fun= all of this is really quite moot … w0ot!
Over 'n out,
[ August 26, 2002, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: diamondz ]
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