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Topic: Delegate RH Prof. Elm on eBay...opinions?
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Dark Pinsir
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posted February 19, 2003 09:39 AM
Well, it's not just Europe the one who plays for the game, here, at Latin America, we do too, the boosters are worth arround $20, the uncommon singles $1,50, the decks $60, and the adults get a minimum of 200 pesos per month ![[Eek!]](../tcg/eek.gif)
I saw a lot of people leave the game 'cause of Argentina's Dollar problem, one dollar is worth 3,50 pesos, and the cards are just from the US, no translations made in Mexico, nor any other place, and that makes the Booster packs cost arround 5 dollars. And where is the PTCG League on now? we are on the Jhoto league!, getting Misdeavus and Surfing Pika promos a year after they were relased in the US. Well, I think I got off-topic...
Talking about the RH Elm sold on Ebay, I think that the people can do anything with their cards, 'cause I wouldn't like it if I was selling a card I got in an exclusive US event (like Ho-oh and Rapidash E-promos, they won't get relased here, at least, not within one year) and the people started to complain about my desissions. It's my card, we all have the rights to do whatever we please with the cards as long as we own them; collect them, trade em, sell em... that's up to you.
Well, that's all, IMO.
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Oak
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posted February 19, 2003 05:07 PM
The last one was sold on e-bay for $39. There are two active - one is $41 and the other one is $20. Funny, no one wants to trade it.
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yoshi1001
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posted February 19, 2003 05:09 PM
Well, of course it won't be traded redily. I don't know about you, but I need one more.
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CPUSrchDiscarding2forOak
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posted February 20, 2003 09:12 AM
The last two went for $139 and $145 respectively. The demand is going UP. There are two listed at the moment, around $20-$40, but with 3-5 days left on them. I'd be nuts NOT to say these are going to break into three digits.
I'm expecting to get two. Am I going to keep one? I'm undecided. I know I'm selling one. Besides, I need to buy a box of AQ to get all of the broken Trainers and Energies (and that box probably won't be enough x.x)
At the very least, any money received from Elm promo sale...put back into the game. Buy a box and a half of something, or two boxes, depending on what it sells for. Go and buy some cards to put up as a prize for a local tourney. (Offer 20x Town Volunteers, 20x Boost Energies, 20x Weakness Guards, and 20x Warp Energies as prizes and watch the archetypical bloodbath) ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif)
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What, like the pro-archetype attitude is supposed to be restricted to THIS company, and THIS TCG?
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Viva la unoriginality!
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RaNd0m
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posted February 22, 2003 05:45 PM
See, what CPUSearch said is basically what capitalism is all about. He's going to sell the cards, and because of his decision, he's pouring the money back into the game. That's a free 130 dollars WotC wouldn't otherwise get. Nice. =P
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posted February 22, 2003 05:53 PM
Its just like the Circle of Life!
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Oak
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posted February 23, 2003 09:38 AM
I think that it will be more like $30 than $130, and you may get more cards that you want by trading, than selling. But again, I may be wrong.
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CPUSrchDiscarding2forOak
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posted February 23, 2003 06:06 PM
It's a sad day when a person with Oak in his username has to disagree with someone else with Oak in his username...
Sadly, the trade value of the cards you would get by trading away a promo Elm probably would not exceed the $130 that the market says Elm is worth right now.
However, I would be inclined to trade an Elm for the 80 cards I listed above in that other post (20 Boost, 20 Warp, 20 Town Volunteers, 20 Weakness Guard).
And hey, let's look at all of those players that are in debt (whether it be for Pokemon card purchases via credit cards, college books/tuition, or some other aspect of life costing money). Because you're a dedicated Pokemon player, you have a potential for a windfall.
Make good use of such a gracious gift.
*imagines someone that may have gone to 15 stores or something* whooooooaaaaa....
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What, like the pro-archetype attitude is supposed to be restricted to THIS company, and THIS TCG?
All card games run on archetypes. Magic is 90% archetypes. YGO is 90% archetypes. Pokemon was, for the most part, all archetypes before and during MF2. Pokemon will be archetype-based during MF3. Pokemon will be archetype based when it is under Nintendo.
Viva la unoriginality!
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted February 23, 2003 06:19 PM
Well the one the just ended on ebay today went for $99. SO the market on them is around $100+ right now. I have not said much on this subject, but take the time to do so now. My major that I am finishing up this semeber is in Econ. And if someone can earn one of the cards and resell it then good for them. Buying and Selling is what makes the economy work, it is what makes the money continue to flow from one to another. I also look at it this way, selling their card could be the way they get paid back for going to the store, spending time there, and helping them run BZ at that location. I think that most people that end up selling this cards will take the money and put it back into the game. I just got mine on Saturday, thanks MTM, and I would love to trade one of them for stuff I need, BUT I know that everything that someone will offer for me would not be what I need, want, or what the card is worth. SO I will just have to hold onto mine for awhile till I get an offer I cant pass by. Anyways, if someone wants to sell their card great, they have earned it, let them do with what they want with it. Im sure MTM know they would be sold. THis selling or trading the cards also give the chance of them that couldnt earn them to get them.
Just my 2 cents.
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Oak
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posted February 25, 2003 04:34 PM
Well, there are 6 of them on e-bay at the moment. Four of them have a buy-out option for $80. Now we will see the real value of the card. It's interesting to see the value of Jumbo Electabuzz since its printed number (50 x 16 = 800) should be close to RH Professor Elm's (more than 500 BZ locations).
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Oak
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posted February 25, 2003 04:54 PM
Just to answer my own question - Jumbo Buzz went between $15 and $25.
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posted February 25, 2003 05:15 PM
I would like to publically admonish the person who placed 4 Elms on eBay with the Buy it Now option of $79.95.
Why? They have PERMANENTLY driven down the value of this card with that action alone.
This means that other people that have listed their Elm up for auction will be unable to get over the $79.95 for theirs. Even after their auctions are finished, it is unlikely that anyone else will pay any more than $80 for an Elm, thinking the same person will list one for the $79.95 Buy it Now.
The other cardinal rule of eBay that was broken: With something valuable, never list more than one at a time. Not only do you drive down the value but you end up competing with YOURSELF. (Believe me, I tried this with some Neopets items recently and lost out big.)
As RaNd0m would put it... =/
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What, like the pro-archetype attitude is supposed to be restricted to THIS company, and THIS TCG?
All card games run on archetypes. Magic is 90% archetypes. YGO is 90% archetypes. Pokemon was, for the most part, all archetypes before and during MF2. Pokemon will be archetype-based during MF3. Pokemon will be archetype based when it is under Nintendo.
Viva la unoriginality!
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posted February 25, 2003 06:52 PM
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rocketman
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posted February 25, 2003 09:30 PM
Maybe MTM should have given out an Elm for each battlezone that a delagate actually gets accepted and runs. One could ( I'm not saying anyone did) just simply visit many stores, fill out the form, and not run it. They would still get the promo, of course. I only got 1, as I run the battlezone at my local Books a Million, which I do not get credit for, and at another store which I did receive an Elm for. I won't give up on my BAM kids, as they have been with me for a few years now, and I'm not going to quit that so I can get another promo. I'm sure some of you are in the same position out there. 2 leagues is my limit, and thats about all I can do, but I get nothing for running the BAM league for the last few years. So the problem I would have is that these people who are promising to run 6, 7, 8 or more battlezones( and yes I know you can run them only once a month ), could simply not run them ( and again, I'm not saying they won't) but they could. And those of us who have stayed loyal to the players who have kept coming week after week get nothing for it. So did we not "earn " those promos as much as any other delagate?
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WizPog_PokeMom
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posted February 25, 2003 09:38 PM
Whoa...the Elms were for Delegates who presented the Battlezone program to stores. There was never a requirement that the Delegate had to RUN (or offer to run) the BZ him/herself at those stores. The Delegate position should be thought of like a sales rep, going from store to store to interest the management in the program.
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posted February 26, 2003 05:45 AM
Keep in mind -- running BZ at a League is not difficult, even for staff to do. It would take, at most, an hour for a Delegate to go over the activities involved with running a League, what is required, normal or bonus prize/point distribution, etc.
TOURNAMENTS on the other hand, would require a Professor. You'd have to have a store that won't have a Delegate handy run League first, see who there is any good or is of age, and if they're not a Prof., have them become one, and then the store could run tourneys, after some time.
So yes, you could run 1 or 2 Leagues at most -- YOURSELF. But there's nothing saying you can't get your foot in the door and have something to do with the starting of 10 BattleZones, or at the least, give the store the information that this is going on. (I was informed by the Kay-Bee that wants to run BZ that I could probably convince all the other stores in the chain that it's a good idea. Unfortunately, I can't drive out VERY far, so those of you in PA who haven't talked to Kay-Bee stores and can do so before Friday, the extended deadline for form postmarking, please do so. I think they'd be more apt to run it than other stores. Especially the Irwin location. They had a successful League in the past.)
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What, like the pro-archetype attitude is supposed to be restricted to THIS company, and THIS TCG?
All card games run on archetypes. Magic is 90% archetypes. YGO is 90% archetypes. Pokemon was, for the most part, all archetypes before and during MF2. Pokemon will be archetype-based during MF3. Pokemon will be archetype based when it is under Nintendo.
Viva la unoriginality!
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted February 26, 2003 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by CPUSrchDiscarding2forOak:
I would like to publically admonish the person who placed 4 Elms on eBay with the Buy it Now option of $79.95.
Why? They have PERMANENTLY driven down the value of this card with that action alone.
I saw that the person who did this put all four of there on at once, before that only a couple were on. Now that all four when on, other people dumped theirs on in a mad house to get some money out of them before the market goes even more down on them. So much for the value of the four I got, I was hopping to get some good trades out of them, now that this mad dash has started, the vaule of my cards and all of ours are going to be worth CRAP.
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posted February 26, 2003 08:43 AM
WOW you lot are arguing about the value of a card being driven down to $80.. madness.
It's a reward for doing some work for WotC that cost them peanuts .. it's rarity makes it valuable yes but I can't help thinking that some have cashed in on this and the programme.
Sorry guys and gals but when we still can't get BZ kits out of WotC I hold no chance of us ever seeing this card as a reward for our efforts.
So as I have already said from where we sit starving for any sort of support this just seems to justify my views on how little value we outside the US are to WotC.. enjoy your cards while you can the rest of us are starving for a tenth of what you have .. think on that as you moan about $80 cards the rest of the world can only dream off.
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posted February 26, 2003 08:46 AM
The "Buy it Now" option for the four cards in question has been taken off, I notice...
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posted February 26, 2003 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by SD_PokeMom:
The "Buy it Now" option for the four cards in question has been taken off, I notice...
Was it taken off or did they get a bid on the auctions? I think that the "buy it now" goes away if bidding starts.
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posted February 26, 2003 09:19 AM
Whoops, my bad... ![[Blush]](../tcg/graemlins/blush.gif) ...I just noticed that the option was gone, for whatever reason...
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted February 26, 2003 09:27 AM
BDS,
You are correct, as soon as someone bids on an item the buy-it-now is no longer there to use, unless that person has a reserve on it. Then the Buy-it-now will stay with the auction till it is used or the reserved price is reached. It will be interesting how much these cards on ebay really go for. IT would be nice if they still went for $100 for trading and value, but I bet since there are so many on right now the value is going to go below that. ![[Frown]](../tcg/frown.gif)
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darkmt_mike says, "Hmm. think Gengar uses the Force so I would bet on him."
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CPUSrchDiscarding2forOak
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posted February 26, 2003 11:39 AM
My only advice: Either only post one at a time, or if you want to get rid of more than one, do a trade, sale, or auction outside of eBay. That way a SPECIFIC market won't get flooded with them.
And yeah, it is a bit wrong to argue about a card that's value was reduced to $80, but I'm thinking that the value once was $140 -- so it's not so much that the value was dropped, it's the fact that if we made it appear scarce the value would still be high.
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What, like the pro-archetype attitude is supposed to be restricted to THIS company, and THIS TCG?
All card games run on archetypes. Magic is 90% archetypes. YGO is 90% archetypes. Pokemon was, for the most part, all archetypes before and during MF2. Pokemon will be archetype-based during MF3. Pokemon will be archetype based when it is under Nintendo.
Viva la unoriginality!
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posted February 26, 2003 01:14 PM
Pokemom, I know that's how the program is run. I'm simply saying that I don't feel that this why this program was started. I guess you could look at it in that way, but is that why we became professors? To get rare cards that we can sell on e- bay? I did this 'cause I love the game. I agree that one can do what they want with the cards they earned, but this somehow feels wrong. As far as "getting your foot in the door", every card shop I visited would only do battlezone on the condition that I ran it! All of these places could run battlezone ( and did run leagues) without us if they wanted to. Most of them stopped pokemon because of low turnout. Now they have yu gi oh, and thats what pays their bills. I'm sure those of us who run a league at a BAM or other store will get a card or something for it; I don't really care. I will run the league either way, and I don't care to sell cards on e- bay. I feel that the delgate program was to get out there and get leagues started, and help them grow.
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posted February 26, 2003 05:06 PM
Guys, it's unlikely the value of these cards is going to stay around $140, I think we all knew that. The value is whatever someone wants to pay for them. With the case of there being others for sale, I don't imagine they'll sell for as much, but $80 is still a heck of a lot of a card we got for delegating and promoting a game we love, wouldn't you agree?
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