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Topic: Team Europe - NOW is the time to FIGHT!
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Michel
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posted September 22, 2002 05:09 AM
If I go further on ukpokemonpro's post, I would say that I'm sure that we'll have the cards soon and we'll keep on playing tournaments, ... and running Pokemon meetings.
If we don't do that, and if the cards are not officially realeased very soon, the market and the game are dead in Europe.
But we know that by doing it we take the risk to condamn the Pokemon activities of WotC Europe/UK.
Like ukpokemonpro said, our money will go to the usa, and not to European distributors/shops. It will be included in the US sales.
If we have to run non sanctioned tournaments, OP will decrease with all the consequences of that situation.
Talking about Worlds, what would European players do there if they are one, two, or more sets back ?
Take a free week end in Seattle and watch the other kids play ? No thanks, I'm really not interested in that.
Either we sit and wait, looking at the end of our game in our countries, or we stand up and try to find solutions. Even if we know that these solutions may have a negative influence on the European market (less sales), game (less OP) and community (less big events).
By choosing the second solution, I hope WotC will help us in our attempts to save the game.
Star Wars, Harry Potter, Football champions, ... 3 games that are big flops in Europe.
I really hope WotC will not condamn one of his two only popular products in our contries.
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Tahna
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posted September 22, 2002 05:26 AM
*Stares blankly at the screen for a couple of minutes*
Ri-ight, this is not a good thing, to say the least. I know we are fighting to help keep the licence with WotC, but if TPC and Nintendo don't comply to their schedule, how will WotC be able to. I too thought that Expedition would have been released last Tuesday, just in time for the League. Unfortunately I got word from my GL that the delivery had been delayed for at least a week.
Now that I see this post, it seems that we shall have to wait even longer.
I totally agree with Eskil that the set will sell well enough on its own, without the E-card Reader
backing up the products. (*if you're so desperate for those games, you might get Game&Watch Gallery 4*)
I am not pleased with this turn of events, we recently even changed distributors to get our produce to us in time and now this happens.
We must hope for the best.
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posted September 22, 2002 11:41 AM
i havent played pokemon for a while and havent updated my decks since i was waiting for expedition ![[Dubious]](../tcg/graemlins/dubious.gif) well if expedition never comes i will probably stop playing or remain inactive till expedition comes -_-'
Nintendo u suck ![[Bored]](../tcg/graemlins/dozey.gif)
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posted September 22, 2002 06:55 PM
You have my support. This sucks.
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Super Psyduck
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posted September 24, 2002 12:32 AM
This is so stupid... What do we (the europeans) have to live for if it's going to be like this?
This is just so stupid.. And it was the same thing with The Nintendo Gamecube.. Why realese it six months later than in the us.
And im wondering how the meeting went yesterday any updates?
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Martin Moreno
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posted September 24, 2002 01:22 PM
Im with you guys on this one.
Europe is constantly discounted when it comes to Pokemon. But wizards of the coast is trying their best.
The obvious problem here is nintendo, and possbily TPC.
What TEGolduck did was the best possible first step to a sooner release.
I also think it's great he started a petition type post without having alot of "not so nice" members attack and call him a complainer.
But, there is a problem here, and we need to do everything we can to help out Europe, they deserve to enjoy this game as much as everyone else.
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Magby Guru
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posted September 24, 2002 03:51 PM
If europeans were allowed to play cards without the transaltions in their sideboards in DCI, then that would START to solve the problem. I do see how its hard for WotC to get all the translations out but they could at least let europenas not have to have the translation card in the sideboard, i knwo people in the USA dont have that rule now.
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bulbasnore
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posted September 24, 2002 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by Magby Guru:
I do see how its hard for WotC to get all the translations out but they could at least let europenas not have to have the translation card in the sideboard, i knwo people in the USA dont have that rule now.
-MG
Perhaps the problems in Europe were anticipated and making OP possible there is why we have that restriction removed.
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Michel
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posted September 24, 2002 06:29 PM
Martin, I do not believe that Nintendo decides if WotC/Hasbro will sell a product or not. They may ask for it, put some pressure maybe with TPC, but WotC/Hasbro must have the final word.
Does Nintendo decide the present and the future of the WotC/Hasbro customers ? Is Europe 'discounted' like you said (I prefer 'sacrified' in this case) because of a decision of Nintendo ? If it is true, that would mean that WotC/Hasbro is absolutely nothing on the game and leisure market, and I can't believe it.
You say Europe is discounted. I would add that some people think we're really stupid !
Did they believe we would accept it like that ?
Did they believe we were going to say
'Thank you sir, we're ok with that sir, don't worry, we don't have the set but we'll keep on giving money to your company, we'll keep on putting time and energy in the game, we'll explain to the kids that you've taken the best decision for them. We'll tell the kids and players in our leagues 'They showed you something great, but it's not for you, it's just for the USA, you may keep on playing with the cards you have ... and buy a lot of boosters of the old sets' ' ![[ROFL]](../tcg/graemlins/roflmao.gif)
Are we really so stupid ?
MG, I don't understand what you mean.
We may play with cards in English, Japanese, ... just like in the USA. Most of the players in Europe use cards in English, and very few cards in local languages. We have the spoilers of Wizards and we use them. The translation rule is for us too.
The question is that if a set is not released in a country (in the local language or in an other language), even if it is released somewhere else, that set is not allowed in DCI sanctioned tournaments in that country.
If the DCI rule said that the US date of release is ok for Europe, we could play the cards in DCI sanctioned tournaments, but it's not the case.
No release in Europe = cards of the set illegal.
Conclusion : either we play sanctioned events without Expedition (ExpOut), or we play Expedition in non sanctioned events. As simple as that ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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bulbasnore
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posted September 24, 2002 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by ukpokemonpro:
So we will import EXPEDITION kill our own markets and NOT BUY Nintendo Products because we don't like being treated like a 2nd Class Market.
...snip...
I think WotC need to rethink their support for OP in Europe because your sales here all just shifted to the US.
Are the cards in some of the countries released only in English anyway (not UK but e.g. Spain as the last Spanish translation was Neo Genesis. BTW that is really dumb, how many people speak Spanish worldwide? Uh, get some marketing.).
With the new DCI ruling that we don't need localized copies of the card to play another language's version of that card, the only thing hindering OP is the ruling that you can't play a card before it is released locally. Is that part of WOTC license with Nintendo/TPC? If not, its time to drop that restriction until Nintendo gets its act together. Yes it stinks that the local offices and stores lose the market and the patriotic players get a slap in the face. However, it could be a bandaid to hold OP together under a grey market while the situation sorts out.
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ukpokemonpro
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posted September 24, 2002 08:04 PM
Well we know we can get the product at a price that is cheaper than we can buy it from official UK distributors and get it when WotC/Nintendo and TPC don't want to sell it to us!
So I guess you just switched all your regular players to buying grey imports now guys!
What a way to do business ![[NoNoNo]](../tcg/graemlins/nonono.gif)
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Tahna
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posted September 25, 2002 12:45 AM
They stopped printing Dutch cards since Fossil, because they found that the English ones just sold better, so the only thing they really have to do here is get the US cards here and distribute them to the stores.
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Golduck
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posted September 25, 2002 02:13 AM
I have to disagree with you, Michel. I think Nintendo and TPC have the final word, not Wizards/Hasbro. Wizards want to release this set, but they can't...
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Originally posted by Michel:
Martin, I do not believe that Nintendo decides if WotC/Hasbro will sell a product or not. They may ask for it, put some pressure maybe with TPC, but WotC/Hasbro must have the final word.
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Golduck
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posted September 25, 2002 03:26 AM
I asked Wizards Europe if things are moving forward, but they don't get any answers from Nintendo at all. Things aren't moving forward AT ALL.
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SauroN
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posted September 25, 2002 03:40 AM
Hmm...we're not making progress...ugh...
This is bad...REALLY BAD!
And I was planning an attack against Bill Gates...damn...Nintendo HQ...you better watch out!
First Microsoft is buying Rare and now Nintendo is forcing wizards to not release the set...
ech...I really liked nintendo...
[ September 25, 2002, 03:43 AM: Message edited by: SauroN ]
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Michel
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posted September 25, 2002 04:24 AM
Golduck, do you mean that Nintendo/TPC has taken the control of Wizards/Hasbro ? ![[Confused]](../tcg/confused.gif)
There are maybe pressions, but if Wizards/Hasbro is still an independant company, THEY have the final word.
There are maybe dispositions is some contracts between Wizards/Hasbro/Nintendo/TPC. But Wizards DID KNOW that Europe could or would be ... (here's a word not allowed by the mods )
There was a risk, and they have deliberately taken it.
Sorry Golduck, but I'm a Wizards customer, I'm involved in a program run by Wizards, I play cards sold by Wizards, I play in DCI tournaments controlled by Wizards, ... do you see Nintendo here, do you see Nintendo at leagues or tournaments ?
Things are not moving ? Never mind, WE are moving forward.
No cards without the reader ?
Just missed guys !
But we could maybe import GBA readers too, ... why not ? And by the end of the year, we could say to Nintendo if their products have success in Europe or not.
We have to take the place of one company, why not a second ? ![[Angel]](../tcg/graemlins/angel.gif)
Pokemon is a kids game. Pokemon is played worldwide on the same basis, except in Japan
Don't these two affirmations come from Wizards ?
Worldwide ? There are people outside Japan, the USA and Canada ! Do you remember that ???
Kids game ? If you show to your kid something he really likes, if you say he will have it in a few days, and then tell him that he'll not have it but other kids will, ... you have a disgusting behaviour as parent !
If you do that as a company, it's strategy, it's marketing, it's part of a negociation, ...
No 15+ in big events because it's a kids game ... no Europeans anymore because a reader is in the USA only ... who's next ?
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ukpokemonpro
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posted September 25, 2002 06:42 AM
Coming to the Professors in Europe Soon!
Michel be of good cheer because the time of e-card is near! Okay bad rhyme aside it seems that as we all said ... Stuff your ban we can get the cards anyway.
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posted October 04, 2002 11:37 AM
The short-term revival as I saw it of the TCG was with P:Exp and with the card-E reader. But I can also see that it's only the hardcore fans like us who are desperate to extend our experiences in this game. It's a market force and I doubt whether booster sales will justify the arguments we could ever make.
This will though completely screw over the European WotC offices who were banking on sales of P:Exp to bump up their profits, particularly in the run-up to Christmas. They may go bust over this and people may lose more of their jobs.
Nintendo/TPC will gain anyway from the sales in the US so they may not really care. Another slice will be taken off from the player base that has shrunk ever since the cartoon series were taken off the terrestrial airwaves.
Perhaps the only thing we can do is what we are doing, working away and maintaining league week in and week out. I've just been asked to do Pokémon articles for a UK magazine, I think if we make more fans of Pokémon aware of the existence of the game interest will be sustained until April 2003.
What we would definitely be able to fight for is a set of prerelease tournaments and help to promote such events via the internet and such for when P:Exp does come around.
I dunno. It's all a big mess, really.
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