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DMTM
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posted July 02, 2002 10:55 AM
Hardly. I have a few things to say. I will make them as direct as I can. I hope people will come at them with an open mind.
1. 15+ = Proffesor Program. There are trips and prizes. It is in it's first year so please give it a chance. If it was not for this there would be nothing. Some people worked very hard to get this group this far. I understand that there ar worldwide issues with it. We who care are working on it.
2. The huge prizes some of you are asking for would spell disaster for the game. Big money and prizes brings in an element of play and player that was never meant for Pokémon. Most of you wopuld be swept away by this element of competition. You can disagree if you like but we have experience with this. Better prizes? Sure I can see it, but big ones would change the face of the game to something ugly.
3. Please. I beg you please stop the fighting. It will only hurt the 15+ game at this point. Pokémon as a game will go on. The damage will be done to the older division. If you are just trying to do damage to the game at this point and have no interest in it then go on with your life. To just attack people for the fun of it on either side of the issue at this point is senseless and pathetic.
4. If you are truly intested in the health and welfare of the game then the only way any change will happen is to go about it in a calm rational respetful matter. Why would we listen to anybody who verbally assaults people or puts them down. Do you realy think that is what we want to see as an image for Pokémon, and it's tournaments?
5. Ones worth to the community is not judged by just how good a player you are. How you act and react to people is much more important. Sportsmanship is more important then winning anyday. How you help people, how you contribute to ideas and growth of the game is more important.
People have respect for Tiger Woods because he is a class player. He is polite, he is mature, he contributes to Golfing Schools and Academy's. He does charity work, and he is probably the best golfer the world has ever seen as well.
If he was a jerk like some golfers many more people would not have as much respect for him.
I'm not saying don't have fun. I'm not saying stop trash talking with your friends. I'm not even saying that the only way to get respect is to be squeaky clean all the time. You don't have to agree with anyone. You can still say "I think Wizards made a bad decision on this thing", but back it up with facts not with insults. Your ideas lose credibility when you do this. Who is going to listen to you if you are insulting them?
6. The game is not going away. It will continue on. There are new players and sales are good. LC is gone, we sold all of it. It is up to you the players to see if it will continue to develop and grow. If new programs and tournaments will continue. As long as you are fighting yourselves it will just be hurt by that. We need you enthusiasm and ideas to help it continue. ALL OF YOU!
7. Change does not occur through threats of doing this or that. It's best chance is always rational discussion. We listen to people who argue the facts rationaly. We ignore/delete "You guy's are &$@^*! idiots!" Why should we listen to that? Why should anybody?
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posted July 02, 2002 11:11 AM
DMTM, thank you so much. This was getting to the point where I was just sick.
Out of LC?!? No! Ah well, they were reprints anyway. I'll just have to wait for LC2: The Wrath of Kangaskahn.
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posted July 02, 2002 11:15 AM
When DMTM talks, people listen .... I hope!
Well said. As Worlds quickly approaches, I hope we can all take a moment to reflect on the message presented here.
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posted July 02, 2002 11:32 AM
15+ has managed to tie itself up in knots it seems. Sometimes eloquent, sometimes passionate, sometimes self-destructive, and sometimes awe-inspiring. (Ah yes those were the days.)
1) 15+ = Professor programme.
I tried that comment and got politely shot down. The crux of the argument against this was that not every 15+ had the will or aptitude to embark upon professorship. The conclusion was that the Professor programme, for all its merits, was actually increasing the exclusion that some players felt with the demise of 15+ STSQ.
Personally I believe that the Professor programme should not be compromised in order to make it all inclusive.
But that does leave some feeling excluded. It is surely easier to hold on to an existing customer/player than to entice a new one?
2) Huge prizes. Money? No Thankyou. But the prizes should have a WOW factor and lots of Kudos associated with them.
I'm new to pokemon but I've got to say that there was far more WOW at the big Thorpe Park extravaganva than at either of this years Gym Challenges that I attended in the UK. I'm still trying to work out what that WOW factor was attributable to. It may have been the venue, or all the pokemon banners, or even that it was my first event and hence memorable in its own right.
In many ways this years events were superior to the big Thorpe Park UKSTSQ, just that missing WOW..
3) Nothing to add.
4) Likewise
5) Ditto
6)Yipee!, new programmes, new formats = more fun.
7) Time to move on
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posted July 02, 2002 11:37 AM
I've always respected what DMTM and MTM say. They seem like they know whats going on and how to fix it. It's some of the other people on this board who make me mad when they overly support what the MTs say. Once again, great post DMTM. Hopefully, the game will be back on track soon.
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posted July 02, 2002 12:01 PM
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Where healing winds will someday yield
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The desert floor looked so bare
Only a Professor and not a Gym anywhere
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Raindance please-for quite awhileadile
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Giving me courage to pretend
That all alone is not quite true
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The desert fields that had turned to dust
Could be transformed into something kids could trust
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Where people had played with such a frown
Crystal tears pelting the earth
Causing now a grand rebirth
Healing Field can rise up into play
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posted July 02, 2002 12:08 PM
Thank you, DMTM.
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posted July 02, 2002 02:37 PM
There's a rumor of a certain prerelease card that would be a great WOW prize ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif) ...
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Freddy K
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posted July 02, 2002 03:08 PM
I couldn't help but reply.
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Originally posted by DMTM:
1. 15+ = Professor Program. There are trips and prizes. It is in its first year so please give it a chance. If it was not for this there would be nothing. Some people worked very hard to get this group this far. I understand that there are worldwide issues with it. We who care are working on it.
No problem. I like the Professor program and am doing all I can, both on a local, national, and continental scale to promote its interests and importance to the game. Over here as well as Gym leadership nearly all the UK Professors in one way or another have committed ourselves towards helping out at GenConUK and welcome further suggestions as to how we can help with anything else in the UK. Thanks for setting it all up for us. I hope that you have more success than others who have 'worked' on it, they seem to move on and out of the company... keep Gengar beside you at all times, DMTM ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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2. The huge prizes some of you are asking for would spell disaster for the game. Big money and prizes brings in an element of play and player that was never meant for Pokémon. Most of you would be swept away by this element of competition. You can disagree if you like but we have experience with this. Better prizes? Sure I can see it, but big ones would change the face of the game to something ugly.
Kinda agreed, I wouldn't want to see money on the line but I'd love to see more opportunities to come and judge at 'Worlds' than the one-person-per-continent ratio that we're currently experiencing here in Europe. How about one person per Challenge country, for future Series? Also, some tournaments at least for the younger ones for France, Spain, Sweden and Portugal back on the circuit?
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3. Please. I beg you please stop the fighting. It will only hurt the 15+ game at this point. Pokémon as a game will go on. The damage will be done to the older division. If you are just trying to do damage to the game at this point and have no interest in it then go on with your life. To just attack people for the fun of it on either side of the issue at this point is senseless and pathetic.
I won't do it anymore, I hope that others won't too.
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4. If you are truly interested in the health and welfare of the game then the only way any change will happen is to go about it in a calm rational respetful matter. Why would we listen to anybody who verbally assaults people or puts them down. Do you realy think that is what we want to see as an image for Pokémon, and it's tournaments?
Point taken, fair enough and if I'm guilty then I do apologise.
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5. Ones worth to the community is not judged by just how good a player you are. How you act and react to people is much more important. Sportsmanship is more important then winning anyday... You don't have to agree with anyone. You can still say "I think Wizards made a bad decision on this thing", but back it up with facts not with insults. Your ideas lose credibility when you do this. Who is going to listen to you if you are insulting them?
I do disagree with how Europe is running its part of the show at the moment. It's getting better but there's much room for improvement. I think the European posts go into details, NoPoke summed it up nicely when he stated:
1) The Professor programme is not a replacement for 15+ play.
2) No one likes to feel like they are second class citizens
3) People have many motives for engaging in any activity. ranging from selfish to altruistic. Usually a mix.
4) Europe appears to be worse off than USA with regards to organised play for 15+.
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1) General consensus on this: The professor programme is obviously not for everyone.
2) Appearances and Names are important. 'Side events' seems like a second best activity. There was a great deal of noise about calling last years 15+ competition at San Diego the 'Seniors'.
3) There is nothing wrong with playing for a trip even when your expectation of winning is small. It is the event that counts and taking part in an event with a WOW prize is more exciting than a smaller tournament without a big prize.
4) League difficulties!
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What to do....
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1) 15+ needs to be recognised as a competitive group and have competitions organised on that basis.
2) Parity of status (if not prizes) with 10- and 11to14. 15+ tournaments should not be seen as an after thought.
3) With money as an issue perhaps publicity and Kudos would be sufficient. Say posting pictures of competitors on Wizards web site? ( Part of the 15+ problem is that as a group 15+ feels ignored.)
4) My only suggestion is that WotC will have to let go of control and empower European GLs/TOs. In the UK, Wizards operation has been downsized considerably. They need our help even if they don't realize it.
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The European 15+ group, to a greater or lesser extent feels excluded from the game.
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6. The game is not going away. It will continue on. There are new players and sales are good. LC is gone, we sold all of it. It is up to you the players to see if it will continue to develop and grow. If new programs and tournaments will continue. As long as you are fighting yourselves it will just be hurt by that. We need your enthusiasm and ideas to help it continue. ALL OF YOU!
7. Change does not occur through threats of doing this or that. It's best chance is always rational discussion. We listen to people who argue the facts rationaly. We ignore/delete "You guy's are &$@^*! idiots!" Why should we listen to that? Why should anybody?
DMTM
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posted July 02, 2002 03:52 PM
Everybody should eat a lot of donuts and maple bars ... if it helps to write great posts like that one, DMTM
I do completely agree with what Member 10 says, but I would like to make two comments :
1. we don't know what are the plans for the future of the Prof program. I love it and it has brought me a lot of positive things like I hope it has helped me to bring positive things to the game and the community.
But we must admit, at least in Europe, that the program is not for everyone. For different reasons, there are players who are not interested and who just want to play. It's amongst these players who feel excluded that we find those who quit the game because they don't have, except in local tournaments, the opportunity to play like they had before. I think solutions should be found to keep them in our community.
2. 'WOW' prizes ? just an idea : 'celebration cards' which would be collectibles given to the top x of the tournaments.
I remember a player who had received a special 'DMTM donuts' card in Secaucus. He was as proud and happy as if he had received a very expensive prize, ... and do you know what ? I would have exactly the same reaction ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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posted July 02, 2002 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by Joshman:
There's a rumor of a certain prerelease card that would be a great WOW prize ...
That would be nice if we could get a prerelease tournament like what they do with magic. I have been to one in my area that is wll promoted and they have a ton of magic players there. Of course we would not get the same kind of turn out for Pokemon, but it could help hype up players for new sets and such. That and also help them play in big tournaments which most only get the chance to do once a year with the challenge tournaments.
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posted July 02, 2002 09:06 PM
I was going to respond to this on the Ruins, since its where I post more (much more, this is my first post on Wizpog). I respect what you say DMTM, and hopefully it will turn into something that will productively influence this game and its players attitudes towards it.
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posted July 02, 2002 09:42 PM
*Claps Hands*
Very Nicely said DMTM, i agree 100%.
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posted July 03, 2002 06:53 AM
I whole heartedly agree DMTM but for the life of me I can not pass the prof test I'm 26 years old play Pokemon in Montclair Ca at the WOTC at least once a week own just about every english printed card except the rumored prerelease card e3 pika and 1st ed ivy pika so needless to say I have a lot of money and time invested in this game I'm teaching my 6 and 7 years olds to play and I help out a my local league I'm doing all the actions of a prof. but I still don't have the title. I've read the rulles and the card rulings and for some reason everytime I take the test I freeze.I'm not trying to say I shouldn't have to take the test but how about a little help to a decent player a great coach and mentor who happen's to take test very poorly:)
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posted July 03, 2002 07:28 AM
Thanx, DMTM!!!
Because of my college work and several other side projects, I'm not always available to my local Pokémon community, but I do what I can when I have the chance. The rest of the time, I try to help out on the boards (not just these, but any other Pokémon-related board I find). I do have plans and dreams for the future, hopefully those more able than me will help keep Pokémon going up to when I do get all my Psyducks in a row.
I also believe that Pokémon is neither dying nor going down or away. It has reached a level where it's not as loud and raucous, and that those who wish to participate will only have to look for us and not have it all shoved in their face firsthand. Hopefully it will reach the same level as the classic pastime that will never die, but live on in the hearts and lives of whose who have come to terms with it and have adapted peacefully.
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posted July 03, 2002 07:31 AM
I agree 95%, DMTM.
Here's why:
You stated that it would bring out a playstyle and player that you don't want to see if you put huge cash prizes into the game (a la Magic.) I was a bit unclear here. Younger players would be going ballistic, at each other's throats over this game if that kind of money was involved.
But what of the players you have no reason to expect anything but maturity from--the Professors? You want a new level of play from them (which is why they are expected to not only do well in Constructed formats but Draft play as well.) Are they not mature enough to handle something like that?
Or even better--have a Master Professor only tournament with a cash prize of such. I'd say that would be a great incentive to get people to TO/Head Judge at their League tourmanet instead of playing themselves and being worried about promos. (Heck, there may be so many people that want to TO/Head Judge that there would be a pre-tourney tourney to see which person gets the honor!)
I mean, just think. A person who wins a major prize like that from a tourney would be a local celebrity, just as if they had hit their state's small lottery or something. And everyone would knw they got that money by playing Pokemon.
Finally, it would give everyone something major to work for. The 15-22 year old players could really work hard for that money for college (or to pay off college loans) and those players who have already found jobs and a place in life could get a new house, or a new car, or just take a year off from work.
Once the players are mature enough, the mature prizes should follow.
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All card games run on archetypes. Magic is 90% archetypes. YGO is 90% archetypes. Pokemon was, for the most part, all archetypes before and during MF2. Pokemon will be archetype-based during MF3. Pokemon will be archetype based when it is under Nintendo.
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posted July 03, 2002 09:25 AM
CPU my point is that it would bring in a new element of player. Not one that exists now.
One who's attitude, greed, and style is not what any of us would want to see.
The game is maturing it needs to go a ways yet before any huge prizes can be thought about. This is my opinion.
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posted July 03, 2002 09:40 AM
DMTM, Personally, I think most of the problems listed in your post occur mostly online (boards, email, chats). I've attended a number of leagues/local tourneys/GCs/QTs/STSs, but I've never witnessed the extent of misconduct and malcontent at those events as you've described here. I certainly don't doubt that it occurs. However, I think lots of things get 'blown out of proportion' here online.
As a customer service person, you must know that you get 10 times as many calls from dissatisfied customers as you do from satisfied customers. Let me tell you that I represent about 30 satisfied Pokemon players in my area. They don't email you or go online to convey their satisfaction. So, multiply each satisfied customer call you get by 30 and you'll get a truer meter reading of customer satisfaction.
Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts and hope they reach those in need of hearing them.
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posted July 03, 2002 10:15 AM
One word. solˇiˇdarˇiˇty Pronunciation Key (sl-dr-t)
n.
A union of interests, purposes, or sympathies among members of a group; fellowship of responsibilities and interests: &8220;A downtrodden class... will never be able to make an effective protest until it achieves solidarity&8221; (H.G. Wells).
H.G. Wells, pretty much summed up what, I have been looking for for a long time.
DMTM, I apprecriate your input on this mater. However, there is a far GREATER problem plaguing this game, it isn't something that WotC can fix, not something TPC can fix, not something that any one person can fix.
It is a social problem that stems from changes in consumer attitudes, that translates to greed and selfishness that trancends way beyond the boundries of Pokemon. The Internet has also been partly to blame for this, as the "Generation X" crowd have a vehicle to vent their thoughts and ideas, most times, I would say that this is a GOOD thing. However, in this instance it isn't. In fact, it is a very, very bad thing. I, along with several others have been the products of liebel and much heated debate, because these individauals, who seem to be GROWING in numbers, are bent on pushing the Constitution's 1st Amendment to its limits. Freedom of speech is one thing, publicy making slanderous comments is QUITE another. These people also say, the "hypicrosy" must stop, they say that WE are RUINING this game. Yes, I agree the hypicrosy must stop. These individuals are also bent on starting a [verbal] war between US and them. My question is why? Do we NOT all like the same thing? Do we not all have the same passion to see this game thrive? Do we not all find some sort of "magic" in Pokemon that brings us enjoyment and happiness? If these points are true, then why in God's name are we fighting amoungst ourselves? Pokemon's image has been tarnished since day one, however, it has survived, and has grown into a multi-BILLION dollar industry worldwide. Yet, now light of its "tarnished" image, we as players, and supporters of this game/franchise are now deciding to fight amoungst ourselves. I ask again, WHY?
I pose this question to all of you, and I really want you all to think honestly to yourself about this, before giving an answer. "Are we a community of players, or a disfunctional disaster?"
Quite honestly, I don't know how to answer that question. Additionally, I don't know if this game even has six months of life left in it? The fact remains though, until their is solidarity, there WILL NOT be survival.
Don't get me wrong, I love Pokemon as much, if not more so, than many people who post on this forum. It is a wonderful franchise, however, this "disention in the ranks" amougst high ranking players, who have their own agenda for how this game SHOULD proceed, MUST END.
This game was at one point very enjoyable for me, and many others. However, in the last few weeks, many of these game's biggest supporters, are now asking themselves, "Is it really worth it anymore?" I am here to tell you, many of them are leaning towards "NO".
So, again I ask all of you who have read this topic, are you really a supporter of this game, are you willing to work with your fellow players as one "COMMUNITY" to help this game flourish? If your answer is anything but "YES", this games future is quite clouded indeed.
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posted July 03, 2002 10:59 AM
Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about. We have a great group of players in our are here, and I'm not worried about a single one of them. With very very minor exceptions, they all act in a civilized sportsmanlike manner. If they don't, we carefully let them know, and it's no longer a problem.
Is our little group really just a little island? I really don't think so. We've been to many events and aside from the occasional problem, there was never anything that one wouldn't expect when you get that many people together.
Larger prizes? NO WAY. Again, speaking from our community, we like it the way it is. In fact, sometimes the level of compettitiveness (sp?) drives away enough new players as it is.
My only fear for the game is lack of new players to keep it going as others drop out. But already I see the "newness" of LC fading fast and boredom and staleness starting to set in again. That's why so many in our area are turning to....Yu-
Gi....Arrggg, can't say it!
We may be spoiled, but the sense of community and friendship is what we have in Pokemon here, and anything or anyone that goes against that, we don't want.
I tend to agree with Steve P (did I really say that?) that this may be just an issue blown out of proportion online. A few heads may have rolled, and we may have cleansed ourselves of a few attitudes, but all in all, I belive the community as a whole has survived quite well.
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posted July 03, 2002 11:22 AM
H. G. Wells... H. G. Wells... he wrote my favorite book.
I may not be as involved with the real-life Pokémon community as I would like to be, or as anyone else on this board would like me to be either... but I do try my best to keep the dream alive, teaching new players the basics and encouraging them to learn more about the game, so the legacy will be carried on... someday in the future, we may no longer need to buy new cards... we'll all inherit them from our parents. Remember that attepmting to educate the youth in the ways of Pokémon without striking their youthful curiosity and enthusiasm is like hammering on cold iron; your attempts will most likely be fruitless, the longer you drag it on.
I do not wish to be a fighter amongst the others in my community; instead I wish to be a peacemaker, one who can seal the rift between the two sides without taking either side. I try my best when I am on the message boards to get everyone in a conflict to come to an understanding with each other. I hope there will be more people like me now and in the future, so that the future of this game will be as golden as what I dream of it to be.
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mysterioustrainer
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posted July 03, 2002 11:50 AM
DMTM,
Wow, inspiring. You've brought out even more critical thought about being a Professor, and reinforced the idea of what it means to be a Pokemon Trainer as well.
"We always battle hard, but we always stay friends. Cause we love Pokemon." ~Ash Ketchum (Pokemon 3 The Movie)
See ya at worlds!
Myst.
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Michel
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posted July 03, 2002 01:49 PM
During a chat, DMTM told us how many people play Pokemon in the World. I don't remember the exact figure, ... but our community is really a big one
How many people are 'fighting or doing personal attacks' on the boards ? How many players have a bad comportment at leagues or tournaments ? 10 ? 20 ?
Even if they take a lot of space and if they can give a bad image of the game (and of themselves), we must know that it's a minority.
I've always thought that talking with people could help a lot. It could be a solution for our community too. (I mean talking, not counter-attacking )
4th of July is the US Inependance day (I'll have to wait until the 21st in Belgium ), and I'm happy to see that the day before things seem to be really more quiet and positive on the boards.
I'm not a MtG player, and I don't know that community. I just wonder if the same things happen (or happened) with the Magic players who are, most of them, 15+, and which solutions have been found.
The Pokemon community is not local, but international. Players from the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia, ... have their own culture, sensibility, way of living, sometimes a different language, ...
The questions and 'problems' are not the same in the different countries. In Europe we have different situations in UK, Italy, France, and even in the countries of the Wizards Europe office.
That situation is not always an easy one, and if sometimes some of us speak a little bit louder, I think it's because they're afraid for the future of PTCG in their region/country. But we all share the same passion, from the saturday league player who doesn't know that the Pokegym exists or that DMTM eats Gengar's donuts everyday ![[Dubious]](../tcg/graemlins/dubious.gif) to the most active players on the boards and in the community.
I know that passion is shared by the people of the Wizards offices too.
We have to fight all together for that game, but to fight in a right and positive way.
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Lacy
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posted July 04, 2002 05:01 PM
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DMTM, Personally, I think most of the problems listed in your post occur mostly online (boards, email, chats). I've attended a number of leagues/local tourneys/GCs/QTs/STSs, but I've never witnessed the extent of misconduct and malcontent at those events as you've described here. I certainly don't doubt that it occurs. However, I think lots of things get 'blown out of proportion' here online.
I couldn't agree with that more. It's easy for issues to be blown out of proportion over the internet, and some of the the misconduct on these boards is an example. Those guilty of misconduct are definitely the minority; they simply feel that being online gives them anonymity, and the ability to say or do whatever they wish, without consequence.
Overall, the PTCG community is a great place to be, I certainly hope everyone takes DMTM's message to heart.
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Pokidad
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posted July 04, 2002 05:44 PM
Well, what is there to say? DMTM must need some Maple Bars. Must have been a tough day for him.
I too see only a small fraction of players that appear to voice their opinions loudly on the boards. That's ok. Difference of opinions are great so to inspirer future changes.
I continue to look at this as a growing period for all of us. We will get to a place where it will get better and better all the time. Small and large improvements will be made.
But, you know, it is getting better. Sure, there are things I didn't like and still don't like about certain changes to either game play, tournaments, etc. I have shared my concerns sometimes directly on the boards and occasionally sent my concerns directly to WotC for their further consideration. And from what I have seen over the years, DMTM, MTM, and other at WotC really do listen. I also have share my concerns with some other members on the board. However, I like to think we keep our lines of communications open so that our goal is to make it better for everyone.
Over the years, I have seen WotC incorporate many of our suggestions. I'm sure WotC will continue to make improvements. Perhaps some of the changes went too far one way or another and corrections will have to be made. That is fine since a plan should be change when necessary.
As I told WotC, it is not prizes that are important but a title. I have always been amazed that a game targeted original at 14 and under awards trip prizes so that these younger players of a great card game can come together from around the World to compete and have fun. I know if it wasn't for these wonderful trip prizes, there would be no way I could afford and even considered of taking our family to places like San Diego or Seattle. For this, I thank WotC from the bottom of my heart. It is the title that most players want to acheive. I always felt these in most of the players I have seen and talked with at the STS events, regardless of age.
So, DMTM, well said and I look forward to working with you and others to continue your efforts to take us to a higher and better place. See ya at Worlds.
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