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Topic: To Post or Not To Post--That is the question!
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Prof. Douglas Zuver
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posted November 20, 2002 07:08 PM
Tournament Organizers end up with piles of
decklists after a while.
Is it considered a breech of confidence
to post strategy tips and decklists gained
in this manner?!?!
Hmmm....I'll keep mine secret.
What do you think?
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MrGrass
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posted November 20, 2002 07:30 PM
Well it seems to me that lots of the winning decks at big tournaments get posted, so why not?
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DaytonGymLeader
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posted November 20, 2002 07:55 PM
From the UTR:
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6. Publishing Event Information
Wizards of the Coast reserves the right to publish event information such as the contents of a player’s deck as well as transcripts or video reproductions of any DCI-sanctioned tournament at any time (including during the tournament). Tournament organizers also are allowed to publish this information.
Wizards of the Coast reserves the right to publish penalty and suspension information.
Now, the hook becomes this - WotC reserves the right. Does this extend to the TO? I would think so. Several Premier TOs for Magic that cover State Championships, prereleases and such do routinely publish the T8 decklists and such.
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John Kulp
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posted November 20, 2002 08:32 PM
It seems like a good idea. But what about the copycats who copy winning decks? You know who you are. Taking decks that actually succeed and claim success without doing the actual work. I remember an experience:I bicker with this certain punk(to put it all mildly)on occasion. One time at League he was rude to me--he cuts in front of me in line for points,I insulted him,he tells me point-blank "I'm going to copy one of your decks and use it against you." I laughed at him,but that's the reason why I don't post decks. I wouldn't post a bad deck say nothing of one of my best. I'm not trying to be on a vendetta,I'm merely speaking fact. Not just him,but others resorting that way as well. I know what you're doing is meant to be pure but it WILL get distorted and perverted by people like that. Especially those who take pride in it. I'm just pointing out the side effects that will come but in the end it is still Wizards' right to post. I apologize for my paranoia but I've seen plenty of this behavior in the past and sadly I'll see it in the future as well.
[ November 20, 2002, 08:45 PM: Message edited by: John Kulp ]
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ukpokemonpro
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posted November 20, 2002 10:46 PM
As long as your players are happy with you posting their decks .. then sure do it.
I always tell mine that I am going to post the deck so that they can say no if they wish.
As for Xerox decks who cares they are gonna see your deck when they play you and could and will put a copy together from that.
Scouting at major tourneys is also a problem but it happens and you just have to work round it.
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Dumbledore
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posted November 20, 2002 11:16 PM
I have a confession to make. ![[Eek!]](../tcg/eek.gif)
I have copied winning decks too.....not often...and not really for tourneys since we hardly have any...but still.
What I have found is that mostly what you copy is the idea....and you can do that from just reading on the deckdiscussions. But then when I play the deck I usually don't like it the way it is anyway cause it doesn't suite my playingstyle. So sure I take the basic idea and then I modify the deck to suite me. So in the end it isn't a copy after all. It's mearly a result of reading up on decktopics and strategy and then complying it to my own playing style.
Surely there isn't anything wrong with that or we shouldn't have these deck and strategy boards at all. ![[Evil Smirk]](../tcg/graemlins/Up_to.gif)
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CPUSrchDiscarding2forOak
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posted November 21, 2002 08:08 AM
Dumbledore has hit the nail on the head here. Usually, a player won't copy a deck verbatim -- they'll usually make a few TeCH changes. A good example would be the Chansey deck that won the Worlds Professor championship.
People will definitely copy a deck that has won a major event (and Worlds being the biggest...), but do people normally play Chansey deck that not only use just 2 Gold Berry, but 1 Scoop Up and 1 Double Gust in addition to 2 GoW? Not normally. (The deck only had 2 Chansey as well.) So obviously, the copier would make some changes. (See my sig!) This has potential for being something like Mewtwo is out of the first movie -- someone's own creation coming back and biting them in the behind. (I would copy someone's specific quote here, but they already have it in their sig. I guess one signature quote promoting deck copying is enough?) ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif)
The other way to look at it is "it's already been done before". A deck's original idea is only usually made once -- anyone who even thinks about using a deck similar will be called a copycat by the people who think such is wrong.
In terms of Unlimited, if King/Sneasel, Wiggly, and Metal/Chansey are the most viable decks, and you can't use any of them without someone saying you copied, it's looks to either be a "copy-or-lose" situation.
There are a few people who sometimes create decks and then refuse to tell anyone else what they are or what is in them, so no one else can prepare to metagame. Once you've played the deck competitively in the open even once, someone's gonna see it, and someone's gonna get an idea of how the deck works. I've said it before and I'll say it again, "The element of suprise works -- ONCE." Afterwards, everyone knows what you have planned and will have their "anti-" decks ready for you.
In conclusion, DO post the winning decks. The people that want to copy are eventually going to find out anyway, so if you tell them you're going to post it, it keeps people from trying to be a nuisance to people that are in-game, writing down cards they see in a particular player's deck.
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RaindanceKing
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posted November 21, 2002 08:51 AM
Post em. Its helpful for those of us who have no league, and therefore can't playtest for GC's.
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DMTM
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posted November 21, 2002 10:29 AM
It is in fact encouraged. Publishing Deck lists by TO's that is.
I have a totally different view on this being someone who cannot compete in sanctioned events. I believe that copying is an excellent form of flattery. It also spreads archetypes and like wise the counter to those archetypes when they become prevelent.
Some very good players cannot build decks. In the long run the deck if it is any good it will get out there no matter what. The faster the better for the evolution of the game.
So next time the "Punk" says I'm going to copy your deck say "Thanks!" They have just admitted that you are the better deck builder.
DMTM
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TheGameHHH6662
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posted November 21, 2002 03:38 PM
Yep! Totally agree!Posting decks is never a bad thing(as long as there is permission or at the very least not listing names).Good decks will always out no matter what!Let's face it everyone metagames at league,tournaments etc so it's not much different looking at decks online.My son had a deck listed by ukpokemonpro on his Gamers Guild site and he was chuffed to bits!And as DMTM said the sooner a deck becomes known, the sooner a counter will appear! ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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