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Topic: Drafting: Not as much skill as you would think.
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Magby Guru
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posted July 06, 2002 09:44 AM
Here is the thing about Draft. The ONLY luck that si involved is with the packs. FACE IT, if your packs dont contain good draft cards, YOU LOSE. thast the way it is, and usually in pokemon the person in draft to get their MAIN evolution big hitter out forst wins the game sonce you cant sacrafice your pokemon to your oppoent for turns to build up your big hitter, because your opponent only has four prizes. And in draft the big hitter usually comes in the form of a rare so if your packs dont have good big hitters or som decent ones like arcanine then your not going to win the chances are.
Other than that draft requires the most skill to play and win. Thats all i have to say on this subject and this is purely from experience after drafting about a bajillion times, LOL.
There is also so much skill in what you decide to take in the draft. And no one can ever put any game in to percentages in what takes skill/luck. In draft you have to remember what every single pack has when you pass it away because if its done right you will see your pack again, and should have a card/cards that you atre hoping to come back around to you. It takes so much skill and really stretches all the thinking dimensions of your brain (xD)!
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posted July 06, 2002 10:45 AM
Look, I am not saying that drafting isn't fun, it seems very fun. But what I am saying is that frafting does not require more skill than the normal way of playing. The arguements I have given back up what I am saying perfectly. I response to me saying that the only skill is drafting is trying to nuetralize luck, Yohsi1001 replied by saying:
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Correction: You attempt to neutralize your bad luck while capitalizing on good luck, while at the same time interpeting the reactions and choices of other players.
By nuetralizing luck I mean trying to take as much luck out of the game as possible (for example, "Trying to interpret the reactions and chices of the other players", to overcome the luck of what is in a booster pack.
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posted July 06, 2002 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by Magby Guru:
Here is the thing about Draft. The ONLY luck that si involved is with the packs. FACE IT, if your packs dont contain good draft cards, YOU LOSE.
WRONG. The other people in your pod are working with the same "bad" cards. Besides, you'd be surprised what becomes "good" in draft.
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That's the way it is, and usually in pokemon the person in draft to get their MAIN evolution big hitter out forst wins the game
...Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "get big hitter out to cream opponent" qualify as a way to win in ALL formats? ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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And in draft the big hitter usually comes in the form of a rare so if your packs dont have good big hitters or som decent ones like arcanine then your not going to win the chances are.
Ouch. I hope that you're not opening packs and automatically looking for a "heavy hitter." Why not start small? Look at the available basics, run over what they evolve into in your mind, and go from there.
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posted July 07, 2002 12:42 AM
draft luck? Draft is so much skill, i played draft and got like 6 erikas bellsprout 2 erikas weepinbell... that is luck... i lost in finals to 6 heads in a row... that is luck... opening your first pack and tossing a Mity's dos for a Sabrina's Gaze, that is skill... u have 60 cards and u better pray that ur a good drafter... i had enough grass cards to create a 60 card all grass energy deck in that draft tourney... only cause i took the "crap cards" leaving the exciting cards for people that take those heavy hitters... those crap cards are easy to play with since most are basic or evo. that people dun like... but those evo. that people dun like are fun to play with and beat them with
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posted July 07, 2002 02:02 PM
Yes, there is luck. However, in addition to play skills, there are also deck building skills and draft/counter skills.
When I've done poorly in draft I can always point to 1) a game error or 2) a poor choice in my drafting. I've yet to run across a time (in like 6 drafts) when I say, 'ooh I did poorly because of bad luck'. I know this is not your point, but it is related.
Getting the big hitter is one strategy; getting good basics and outspeeding those waiting for the big hitter is another. The latter usually wins in my experience and in the reports of many players.
Its interesting to watch constructed players trying draft for the first time. We had a couple GC/GH drafts last summer and many many cards were misplayed during the tourney by very good players (champs). Why? They were lousy cards in unlimited and were unknown to these players.
Unknown cards also figure in the draft selections in addition to the play. The winner in one went for drafting Sabrina's (70hp) Haunter and won most of his matches with the Nightmare attack on that card. All the other players seemed to let that pokemon go. In fairness, that player also had Rocket's mewtwo, but that card (a solo) rarely made an appearance and the Psyburn attack didn't figure in much in his play. (Take the test: Know the costs/damage effects on Nightmare, btw? What's the name of the similar attack on R. Mewtwo?).
Luck yes, but for me what stands out is not the luck but the different skills and knowledge required by draft.
It also takes longer and costs more than any other format!
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posted July 07, 2002 02:28 PM
(relives nearly fainting at CSC professor draft)
As if losing my staff shirt wasn't bad enough (any body see it? XL shirt with a white undershirt stuffed inside-just thought I'd ask). Anyway, don't forget that other all-important skill: Remembering to eat before standing up for 2 hours. ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
A big thing is understanding how those attacks work in context. You're going to hit some unusual combinations, so play them off each other.
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posted July 08, 2002 03:30 AM
Okay, let's look at this from another viewpoint (empirically), since some of you are not convinced that skill outweighs luck in drafting.
If it were mostly luck, you would expect that the Limited ratings would mostly be about the same for everone, as luck would even things out, making everyone win (and lose) at about the same rate. So explain the vast differences in the ratings for limited to us, using luck as an overriding factor.
Obviously there is some skill involved that overcomes the luck. If the 'luck' factor is really so stong, than the difference would have to be attributed solely to playing ability as opposed to drafting skill. But even so, you would have to admit to skill being a bigger factor than luck, or there wouldn't be significantly better players in that format. So, just the very existence of 'better' players in limited proves that luck is not really a significant part of the format.
If the same group of players drafted x number of times together, luck would even out and no one would win the majority of the tournaments. But in real life we see the same people consistently winning, even given the same basic core players in the tournaments, and that the best limited players are not necessarily the best constructed players. This indicates, if not outright proves, that drafting skill is the main factor in drafting, alongside of playing ability, and luck, while present (as it is in any tournament -- getting good draws, being paired against the right opponents/decks, etc.), is NOT the main ingredient in the limited play stew.
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posted July 09, 2002 01:58 PM
Well for my money not only is draft the most skill based format, but (and here is the good part) it also stays crunchy in milk.
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posted July 09, 2002 02:43 PM
I have never played in a draft touney, but it seems to me that it's true that all the players have to work with the stuff that comes from bad packs, but only a couple people get to choose the 1or2 good cards that come from a good pack.
I don't consider it an accual format, when it's 100% luck what cards you have the chance to draft,: unless of course your saying it's all skill that you open a pack with a Rocket's Zappy and you get get the first pick. quote:
Originally posted by DMTM:
Well for my money not only is draft the most skill based format, but (and here is the good part) it also stays crunchy in milk.
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Nothing against you DMTM, but don't you kinda have to say that draft is good, since it's the "format" that gets WotC the most money?
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posted July 09, 2002 03:47 PM
It's true that skill plays a huge part in drafting your decks. Some kid drafted two base electabuzzes in a recent tournament. He made the top 8 but didn't get past the first round of elimination. Knowing how to build a deck makes a huge difference in the outcome in the tournament. I myself had a hitmonchan in my first pack, I only made the semi's. The winner had a really strange grass deck that won. The top player in league made the finals and most of the top 8 were elites. There has to be something in draft that involves skill.
This was just one tournament. A few weeks later, we had a fossil draft. The elite players were still near the top and won the tournament. Draft is much different than the FTKO's in unlimited, or the blatant luck in modified.
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posted July 09, 2002 04:00 PM
The format that makes the most money is unlimited. That is the use of all our cards. So we sell all of our product no matter what set it is from. There are only certain combinations that work for draft limiting what cards you buy. It is a very limited format.
You are charged to enter a tourney no matter what whether it is draft or not, You pay a little more for draft but there are much fewer draft tournies.
I think everyone knows how I feel about unlimited.
So no my support of draft as a format has nothing to do with economics.
It has everything to do with the fact that it "stays crunchy in milk" though.
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posted July 09, 2002 11:12 PM
So whose gonna provide the DRAFT for these DRAFT-virgins (please pardon the expression)??
ONCE I began... I COULD not get enough.
IMO:
Unlimited =/
I'll play SOME form of trainer DENIAL DECK.
Modified =/
Fgator...
MF2:
NOW Fire vs Water
(I'll be hunting for that ROGUE deck) I've been trying Ttar, it actually works BUT it will go down to the new ARCHETYPE)
BUT draft?
I never know what I will get... that is part of the fun:
AND when I get less experienced players in the TOP8? Sure some of my 7331 are not HAPPY but I am happy because NEW PLAYERs are happy and THEY will return for more tourneys (because us GOOD players DID NOT crush them into the ground with our r0xx0r deck =/
--It was nice to read in some Origins report about EXPERIENCE with weak cards, oh yeah, IT HELPED him know what to pull--
LUCK
y2ace MAD drafting skills? Sure ain't luck (ask him to FLIP coins in POKEMON)
Professor Warbuzz TOP8 finish with very solid decks?
THIS is not luck.
GRAB the BEST card from what YOU get in your initial pack & pray or do a tiny sacrifice to some deity and GRAB the BESTest cards from the rest.
My words of wisdom:
'Drafts brings out the BEST of the WORST cards in pokemon.'
Against the winner of the 11-14 at th wcgc, I succesfully used an ARCADE game to pull 3 energy cards & I succesfully used a BLAINE's Last RESORT. It cracked both of us up.
ISN'T that what pokemon is all about?
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posted July 10, 2002 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by IPGeek21:
So whose gonna provide the DRAFT for these DRAFT-virgins (please pardon the expression)??
You're going to have to catch me and tie me up first! ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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ONCE I began... I COULD not get enough.
Yikes, that sounds dangerous.
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BUT draft?
I never know what I will get... that is part of the fun:
And therein lies the difference between us. For me, the fun is scouring the available card pool and devising something in which the whole adds up to more than the sum of its parts, then watching my creation work.
I enjoy creating something that is uniquely mine and is exactly what I want it to be.
Skill vs. luck debate notwithstanding, I most definitly would NOT like the uncertainty that comes with drafting. I do NOT like the uncertainty that comes with all the danged coin flips.
Some may find that thrilling. I find it incredibly frustrating. When I get in my car and turn the key, I expect the engine to fire every time. When I use an attack or play a Trainer, I want it to work every time.
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GRAB the BEST card from what YOU get in your initial pack & pray or do a tiny sacrifice to some deity and GRAB the BESTest cards from the rest.
Sounds like what I've been saying all along, you're at the mercy of the luck of the draw in draft. If someone else gets better cards to pick from than you do, you're toast and there's nothing you can do about it.
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My words of wisdom:
'Drafts brings out the BEST of the WORST cards in pokemon.'
Against the winner of the 11-14 at th wcgc, I succesfully used an ARCADE game to pull 3 energy cards & I succesfully used a BLAINE's Last RESORT. It cracked both of us up.
ISN'T that what pokemon is all about?
My words of wisdom:
Constructed eliminates the WORST part from the equation and gives everyone the most level playing field because everyone has equal access to the same cards and can build exactly what they want. It's under those circumstances that the best players with the best decks win.
See ya at Worlds.
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posted July 10, 2002 06:29 AM
Stays crunchie in milk?
I can't get anything to stay crunchie in milk: Meowth drank it and Snorlax fell asleep in it. What a mess.
As to drafting I find that a nice sharp pencil and a good eraser works best. Theres no luck whatsoever in drafting. Getting the work in the first place takes a bit of luck....
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posted July 10, 2002 07:40 AM
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Stays crunchie in milk?
As to drafting I find that a nice sharp pencil and a good eraser works best. Theres no luck whatsoever in drafting. Getting the work in the first place takes a bit of luck....
Oh now wait a minute. Not even the most ardent proponent of draft has claimed there is "no luck whatsoever in drafting".
Most have conceded that there IS an additional element of luck in draft vs. Constructed--that being the luck of the draw.
The pro-draft contention is that there are additional skills required in drafting as well, and that there's more "additional skill" than "additional luck" thereby making draft more skill-based than Constructed. I'm not sure I buy that, but that's how the argument goes.
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posted July 10, 2002 10:06 AM
IPGeek21, Could you please explain how it means someone is more skilled than anyone else at the tourney because they open a pack with a R. Scyther, or R. Zappy, and they get first pick? ![[Dubious]](../tcg/graemlins/dubious.gif)
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posted July 10, 2002 10:16 AM
LOL
Zappy will knock itself out sooner or later. (but what will they do against electric resistance decks?)
R scyther will go down to s FIRE deck (which can be strong in DRAFT.
SO? IF the player DOES not know how to BALANCE the deck WHO CARES what rares they pull.
I'd be glad to give someone a RARE for a DRAWING card (mind you I prob would not pass up on the cards you suggested)
BUT there are MORE boosters packs to go through THUS make NOT a winning deck.
Ye of little faith, don't knock it until you try it (c'mon I GET BORED BORED easily with formats) I CANNOT get bored with draft.
NO
I take that back, I am BORED of heroes/challenge draft
Rinse Lather repeat...
GIVE ME KNEW sets to try out.
Voltorb43, YOU BRINGING your own rope? ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif)
C'mon FIND me I am sure we'll be able to DRAFT for free (that helped CONVERT me)
Well I don't always have time to scour the card pool for combos, lucky you. Do you play players who will experiment? I have to deal with RUTHLESS teenagers that HATE to lose.
SO if I cannot LOCK them or DENY them trainers or GO 1st:
Sneasal, dark, CPU, oak, LASS, Heads on my baby and 2 flips for fury swipes.
GONE Turn 2 because of Beat up.
I LIKE DRAFT.
IN MMF substitute Sneasal for Fgator
-but I can make neat rogue decks that metagame archetypes *boring*-
No luck in draft? THERE IS MUCH of it; THAT's part of the fun.
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posted July 10, 2002 10:21 AM
Satashi, I have drafted so many times iI lost count after about the 50th, (=/). Unlike most other formats draft has NO DRAW POER AT ALL. Sure a cleffa an elm here and there, usually the person who gets them are very lucky. The thing is the once the main hitter touches the board, your opponent has no draw power or anythign to help them speed up so they can keep up, unlike MF or MMF where the once the big hitter touches the board you can always recover, i am very confident in this oppinion.
Then you say that im wrong about the pack luck, your wrong. If i pull a cleffa and then you pull an energy charge out fo your pack, chances are i win the draft just because of that one card. If you dont beleive me draft until you see it happen, it shouldnt take any mroe than 7 drafts. Besides that If i pull a crunch feraligatr out of my pack and oyu pull a scarmory or somehting like a sneasle I mean of cours eim going to have the huge advantage just because i pulled that out of my pack. ALso if my uncommons are nice and your are only decent I have a HUGE advantage over my first pick compared to yours. Usually around 3-4th pick you start to see the crap in the packs. Its a simple fact, it happens in magic, it happens in pokemon, it happens in every game, its just a fact.
Pack luck is HUGE, saying it isnt is a mistake IMO.
But hey maybe you knwo more about draft than me, i really dont know until we draft. I am just saying i think im pretty sure on what ive said about the drafting scene this far. But then again you have some good points too, so if i missed anyhting or if youcould go into more detail in why i am wrong i will be happy to read it, thanks.
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posted July 10, 2002 11:14 AM
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Voltorb43, YOU BRINGING your own rope?
I'm bringing about half a dozen Unlimited and half a dozen MMF decks. I've got a really radical concoction to use in the Prof tourney, but I'm not sure what I'll play in MMF.
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C'mon FIND me I am sure we'll be able to DRAFT for free (that helped CONVERT me)
Well, if that's the case, I might take you up on it just so I can say I've tried it, although I still don't expect to like it very much. Just look for an old man with a mustache, grey sideburns and a Richard Petty cap.
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Well I don't always have time to scour the card pool for combos, lucky you.
I have a 55 mile one-way commute to work. I spend a LOT of that time thinking about cards, combos and deck ideas.
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Do you play players who will experiment? I have to deal with RUTHLESS teenagers that HATE to lose.
SO if I cannot LOCK them or DENY them trainers or GO 1st:
Sneasal, dark, CPU, oak, LASS, Heads on my baby and 2 flips for fury swipes.
GONE Turn 2 because of Beat up.
I LIKE DRAFT.
I regularly play with a father-son duo who are two of the most ruthless players on the planet. I'm talking about guys who genuinely expect to win every game they play and who have been known to throw things in anger even during "test games" when we're trying out new ideas on each other.
The son won STS Gold on his first try. Trust me, there's no way on God's green earth that you're playing anyone any more ruthless or who hates to lose any more than John and Steven do.
They experiment a LOT and have kicked my tail in every way, shape and form possible.
If you're suggesting I should draft against them, that sounds like you're admitting that the luck of the draft might even things out a bit.
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No luck in draft? THERE IS MUCH of it; THAT's part of the fun.
I'm glad to see a draft proponent finally admitting that there is great deal of luck involved. Now whether it's fun or not is still a matter of personal preference. Guess I'll find out in a few weeks.
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posted July 10, 2002 11:35 AM
Plain and simple if you haven't done it you really need to try it before you say it is more luck based.
There is no coincidence that some of the best players out there do well in draft.
It simply is not as luck based as some of you believe. It is a much more skillful environment then either unlimited or modified.
You just have so much more that you must do to make a good deck, and you don't have all the time in the world to figure out what that is.
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posted July 10, 2002 08:22 PM
Hey Bob ( voltorb 43) be nice. I've had to duck out of the way of my share of your dice as well ( damn coin !! ) . Nobody flips tails like you. Steve and I can be a bit ruthless but both of us are working on good sportsmanship as worlds approach .
As for the topic, I have tried drafting and I didn't much enjoy it . I do see the skill involved in drafting a deck ( especially rochester) . Definately takes a certain skill to properly draft. I just ENJOY playing constructed more . To me , not much fun in playing a deck with 16 pokemon , 20 energies and 4 trainers( the end result of the last draft I did ).I do believe
"luck" comes into play when opening the packs but if a player doesn't have the skill to to use the cards properly then what good is the rockets zappy or scyther. Again , with me it comes down to what I enjoy playing and what I don't. I do hope more professor events in the future are constructed and I hope I'm not the minority in this case. Can't wait to play standard ( unlimited) in Seattle !!
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posted July 10, 2002 09:09 PM
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I regularly play with a father-son duo who are two of the most ruthless players on the planet. I'm talking about guys who genuinely expect to win every game they play and who have been known to throw things in anger even during "test games" when we're trying out new ideas on each other.
The son won STS Gold on his first try. Trust me, there's no way on God's green earth that you're playing anyone any more ruthless or who hates to lose any more than John and Steven do
Hey Bob (Voltorb43) I take offense to that.You haven't seen me throw a coin/dice ever.I love the COIN! ![[Angel]](../tcg/graemlins/angel.gif) .Sure I hate loosing, But unlike you I don't blame every loss on the coin.Ruthless??Maybe,but i don't think i would have had the success i have had if i did not play that way.And my dad hasn't tossed a coin in months.Lately you have been the only person getting MAD at league about flipping tails.People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Hey bob Heads or Tails ?? ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif)
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posted July 10, 2002 09:57 PM
I think draft is a format with a lot of skill. I'm not just saying this because I've done very well in big drafts, I'm saying this because it's true. I don't think Rochester has as much because people CAN get the good cards before you and leave you the crappy ones, but in normal draft, all of those "Bad Cards" you get are passed to the next person. Everyone in the draft has to pick from your bad pack, while you get to pick from a few of their good packs. I think that we should start drafting 7 or so packs though just to make sure everyone gets a few good evolution lines.
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posted July 11, 2002 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by Gatrdude:
[QUOTE] Hey Bob (Voltorb43) I take offense to that.You haven't seen me throw a coin/dice ever.I love the COIN! .Sure I hate loosing, But unlike you I don't blame every loss on the coin.Ruthless??Maybe,but i don't think i would have had the success i have had if i did not play that way.And my dad hasn't tossed a coin in months.Lately you have been the only person getting MAD at league about flipping tails.People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Hey bob Heads or Tails ??
Hey, chill out guys. No offense intended.
Shoot yeah, I get as mad at the coin as anyone and have been known to launch a couple myself. Players who don't show some emotion at times aren't serious competitors.
I was trying to compliment you both as being the toughest, most intense opponents anyone could face. Sorry if you took that as a whack at you for poor sportsmanship. That was definitely NOT the intention.
...and if you're flipping...heads, I go first.
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posted July 11, 2002 06:01 AM
So is it that the pro-draft lobby believes that DECK dominates in constructed, and the anti-draft lobby (Psigh &Voltorb) believe that PLAY-SKILL dominates in constructed?
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