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Topic: SuperBattlezone's Format changes!!
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Pokenaut
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posted January 27, 2003 12:31 PM
I've just had a look at the Superbattlezone Page and noticed that the format has been changed to Modified. (thank you) You can go and have a look-see for yourself.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=pokemon/league/superbattlezone
I now return you to your regularly scheduled 'Gym programing.
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Martin Moreno
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posted January 27, 2003 12:47 PM
Yeah, Next week the format will be changed to Hybrid, then draft, and them back to Unlimited. Yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaw!
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ilc
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posted January 27, 2003 12:51 PM
WHAT NO!!! ![[Mad]](../tcg/mad.gif) , yagh even though I'm sorta happy its modified now I have problems getting the cards -_-, oh well I guess no worrying about nrg removals and stuff....
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posted January 27, 2003 01:06 PM
GREAT NEWS!!! From a Judging stanpoint, that just made my day!
Thank-you WotC!
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SteveP
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posted January 27, 2003 01:24 PM
This is ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif) good news, but will be moot to our local players if a SuperBZ doesn't get any closer than 600 miles ![[Frown]](../tcg/frown.gif) to our location.
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted January 27, 2003 02:26 PM
I think that it sucks that they have changed the format after posting it for a couple of reasons and this is why. I have already started to tell people about SBZ and that is will be a Unlimited format. I am also trying to get some of the past players to play again, and they mostly only have cards from the Unlimited sets, and not a lot of the new ones that are needed to play with a Modified deck. My hopes are if they start to play again, then they will get excited about the game, and want to buy some of the new cards. Now I have to tell them they cant play with there old decks, so they most likely wont show up now. Thanks for the change in format NOT
Sorry if I sound mad, but this change my plans to try to get some past players with none of the new cards, but into the game.
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LizardOTC
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posted January 27, 2003 02:30 PM
Well, I am happy that it is Modified...
Of course, this means there will be more whining about format from those who WANTED Unlimited.
All I want for Christmas is timely, reliable information. Would firm information about format and locations 3 weeks before the event be too much to ask?
M:tG never has this problem...
And don't go telling me that this information problem is somehow the result of licensing issues! That excuse just doesn't hold up. 
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SD_PokeMom
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posted January 27, 2003 02:36 PM
I think a lot of people are forgetting that if a card was reprinted in LC, the Base/Fossil/Jungle/whatever version is ALSO legal; it's not like EVERY card pre-Neo Genesis is unplayable...
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IndigoMaster
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posted January 27, 2003 02:55 PM
Words do not explain how happy i am.
But i do not like how we get pushed in one direction, then another. Like lizard said, this DOES NOT EVER happen in magic...
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SGHErika72
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posted January 27, 2003 03:45 PM
No matter what format SBZ is in, the three of us would be there...but this is good news! But from the SBZ web page..."The structure for the Super BattleZone tournaments will be modified-Swiss, with the Alternate Pokemon scoring system in effect."
So, can someone tell me what the Alternate Pokemon scoring system is? I could not find this in any of the DCI rules.
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted January 27, 2003 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by SD_PokeMom:
I think a lot of people are forgetting that if a card was reprinted in LC, the Base/Fossil/Jungle/whatever version is ALSO legal; it's not like EVERY card pre-Neo Genesis is unplayable...
I know that reprinted cards can be replayed, but some of the players play with card that have not been reprinted. I just think it is wrong of them to annouce one format, then change it later. They should of never announce it in the first place if they were not sure. Or maybe they were just waiting to see how many would throw a fit about it. Well here is my fit about the change. Now I have to spend more time, which I dont have, between work and school to get a hold of everyone that I already told it was Unlimited, and just hope I do before someone shows up with a deck they can play with.
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posted January 27, 2003 05:10 PM
I announced this to those attending the TOURNEY Sat... THIS WILL MAKE THEIR DAY.
eh, no problem, DEFINITELY in line with where WotC wants to take the game.
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posted January 27, 2003 05:18 PM
Unlimited no more? Now mmf? Doesn't matter to me, all that should matter to most players here is that the 15+ has their own tournament set up, that's all that I need to know. Bring on the competition!
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posted January 27, 2003 06:08 PM
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I think that it sucks that they have changed the format after posting it for a couple of reasons and this is why. I have already started to tell people about SBZ and that is will be a Unlimited format. I am also trying to get some of the past players to play again, and they mostly only have cards from the Unlimited sets, and not a lot of the new ones that are needed to play with a Modified deck. My hopes are if they start to play again, then they will get excited about the game, and want to buy some of the new cards. Now I have to tell them they cant play with there old decks, so they most likely wont show up now. Thanks for the change in format NOT
Sorry if I sound mad, but this change my plans to try to get some past players with none of the new cards, but into the game.
I agree with Gym Leader Blaine. This is totally unacceptable. I mean to change the format once it has been posted on the website and I notify my leaguers that it will be unlimited. There is like only 2 weeks left until SBZ. We started playing unlimited again and my 8 year old son was getting excited to incorporate some of the new Aquapolis cards into his Unlimited deck. Many of the old school players that I know left the game but were going to attend the SBZ and play for old times sake to use their "Classic" decks. Doesnt this correlate to the new "Classic" promo cards? I mean Im going to look like a fool and tell them that Wizards has changed the format to Modified. Because of a bunch of whiners and complainers that cant, dont, or want to play unlimited.
Now I dont even now if I am going to attend SBZ. This totally takes the enjoyment out of it for me. I mean make up your mind. If you have SBZ as unlimited then the Gym Challenges Modified that seems like a balance for all the players out there. But to favor Modified over Unlimited I want to know an explanation for this. Especially since it was already posted on the website to begin with. I can already predict what happens. Me shows up to SBZ (wherever) and some players will be confused.
Player1 fills out a decklist for Unlimited and turns it in.
Judge: the format is Modified.
Player1: What my friend from league told me it was unlimited.
Judge : It was posted up on the Wizards website.
Player1: We dont have a computer at home.
I mean it happens all the time. At every tournament that I attend there is always someone there with wrong cards in their deck. Unlimited lets everyone play with any of the cards produced minus Ancient Mew and Happy B-day Pikachu.
To me this is just bad business to post up the format in the beginning and then change it with about 2 weeks left to go. As is the information about SBZ wasnt posted in a timely manner. As a loyal player and product purchaser I demand justification for this. This may just be the straw that broke my back.
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posted January 27, 2003 06:32 PM
Ok...while I completely agree with Johnny,GLB,and Lizard,I`m not going to rant right now.SBZ is coming and if we want to help this game we love,it`s upon us to help those "old players with their old cards" so they can be prepared for SBZ.If they were going to be interested in coming back to Pokemon,the format won`t make a difference to most.I know,some will say I don`t have the cards,so I won`t play.Well,that puts it square upon us to help out.
What can we do?We can offer to help them out in several ways:
•Help them trade for the cards they need.
•Help them build a modified deck.
•Loan them one of your Modified decks.
•Practice with them using the Modifed Format rules.
As I pertained to before,I agree with the others that WotC messed up by playing the format merry-go-round.I am pleased that they did go with Modified,but they should have announced that in the first place.With that said,however,keep in mind that the announcement that the format was unlimited may have been a mistake and it may have been meant to be Modified all along.
Let`s all put aside the negativity and think positive.We have a great tourney coming up for all and it`s time to go have some fun,whether we are helping out,judging,or playing.It`s gonna be a blast!
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posted January 27, 2003 06:44 PM
I hope that this was just a shuffling of formats, and that it means that Unlimited will be the format of the next major tournament event...
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posted January 27, 2003 07:38 PM
Look folks...my gut feeling is that the whole "Unlimited" thing was a typo or just an error in the original posting. WotC had already said repeatedly that there would be NO premier-WotC-sponsored Unlimited events again, EVER. Some of you may think that these SBZ events are just stop-gap measures taken by WotC as an inexpensive way to placate the masses as the licensing/SC/GC scheduling is either finalized or continually debated. Some of you aren't totally happy with the seeming disregard for demographics that WotC used to decide WHERE to run some of these SBZ events. Some of you are upset that there's no 10- division for your kid to play in (hey-my son's 8, but he's used to playing against older kids at York every time he top 8's, and doesn't seem to care too much)
All I know is that it's time to stop being upset about all these issues and time to play. Whatever format.Sensei had great ideas on how we can help our fellow players cope with the change. If and when the rest of the WotC-world issues are settled we will all breath a bit easier and get down to the business of having a blast, and I for one intend on starting this on Feb 15th. I hope to see a lot of my friends I have made over these last 4 Pokeyears in Ohio then.
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posted January 27, 2003 08:12 PM
I agree with sensei and others that this must have just been a typo or miscommunication by Wizards.
Modified is the way to go, and will be the way to go for all major tournaments, including the Challenge Series and Worlds. It is more competetive, IMO, and has seen the better deckbuilding strategies recently. Unlimited is old, the same, and it doesn't seem that it would help the game progress much now. Modified keeps the game up to date and encourages the deckbuilding that I love ![[Bounce]](../tcg/graemlins/jump.gif)
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PS: Do you guys think you could announce this stuff a LITTLE earlier next time? I mean cmon, I barely got off work for it! 3 weeks IS too close...
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posted January 27, 2003 08:40 PM
It is very difficult for the BZ I attended to run Modified Tournament. It is Dolly in Toronto, Canada and be selected to be the only one in Canada to run SBZ.
In my BZ, half of the players (about 10) are 14+ and willing to pay a lot to buy new cards. This group of players already prepare to play in Modified format.
Another half of the players (about 15) are younger kids and don't have the money to buy new cards. Their card base only allow them to play in Unlimited format. I don't want to force them to get a lot money from thier parent to buy new card.
Original, SBZ is in Unlimited format. All our players are happy because everyone can attend. But now, only half of them really can play and half of them are disappointed.
I have the following questions:
1. Is the "Unlimited Format" is compulsory? or it is just a "Suggested" format? Could indivial SBZ choose to use Modified or unlimited format?
2. We never sanction any tournament yet (we actually planning to try to sanction a tournament in Feb). Do the SBZ automatically sanction even we do not submit any sanction application yet? or it will be non-sanction if we do not submit sanction application?
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posted January 27, 2003 11:12 PM
In Defense of Modified over Unlimited:
1. WOTC is providing prize support, so naturally they should reward those who've continued to buy the latest sets. Modified format rewards those who've continued to support Pokemon by buying the latest product.
2. Although it would be nice to have an Unlimited format and attempt to lure back older players, I ask WHY? After SuperBZ, do we really expect those players will come back? I highly doubt it.
3. Pokenaut "hit the nail on the head." Sure, we were originally told that SuperBZ would be Unlimited, but how many of us really believed it wasn't an error!? If anything, a dual format SuperBZ would've been optimal, but it wouldn't have been feasible.
4. SuperBZ is a excellent testing ground in preparation for the upcoming Challenges and Worlds that UNDOUBTABLY will be Modified. Neo4, Expedition, and Aquapolis NEED to be playtested in serious competition in order to give the top players a chance to metagame before the Challenges and Worlds.
That's all.
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posted January 28, 2003 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by SGHErika72:
No matter what format SBZ is in, the three of us would be there...but this is good news! But from the SBZ web page..."The structure for the Super BattleZone tournaments will be modified-Swiss, with the Alternate Pokemon scoring system in effect."
So, can someone tell me what the Alternate Pokemon scoring system is? I could not find this in any of the DCI rules.
Note: This is off the top of my head so please correct me if necessary:
The Age-Modified pairing system will divide the young (14 and under) and the old (15 and up) and each player will be paired accordinly in their age group when possible. Swiss is a tournament style that allows participants to play in all main rounds. Winning matches will earn points and the player with the most points wins the tournament.
The alternate Pokemon scoring system is a little different than the normal one, here is how it works: If a player wins by the game's three methods (knock out last Pokemon remaining, take last prize, or opponent draws last card) then the Winning player gets 3 points. If the player wins by time running out, then the player gets 2 points, if the game ends in a draw, then you and your opponent gets one point.
At the end of the last Age-Modified swiss round, the last standings are figured. A winner (the one with the most points) is determined. In case of a tie, it is broken by your Opponent's Match Rating meaning, depending how-well your opponent's battled determines if your battles were tougher (statically) than the player you are tied with. So the player with the higher OMR gets the higher place.
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posted January 28, 2003 12:47 AM
I am personally thumbs up for it and I think it will be great. I have been needing to get a good grasp of Modified Strategy some more.
Another tip to getting a Modified deck, is to buy a Modified deck. All theme decks Neo Genesis and up contain the necessary cards, I like Echo the best.
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posted January 28, 2003 01:29 AM
Sigh...
This is BAD! By that I don't mean that the format will be modified, but the fact that the information initially was wrong.
Maybe we should have a collection so that everyone involved with Pokémon at WotC can attend the same course on how to keep others informed as those who work with MtG seem to have taken? ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif)
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posted January 28, 2003 01:30 AM
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Another half of the players (about 15) are younger kids and don't have the money to buy new cards. Their card base only allow them to play in Unlimited format. I don't want to force them to get a lot money from thier parent to buy new card.
Okay let's address this right now... with the right cards from Base/Base2/Jungle and Fossil plus a smattering from other sets and some of the draw from Neo there is no need for a player with cards from older sets not to play modified.
Try an old fashioned Arcanine Cleaner deck.. it may not beat everything but it is still strong.
Use LC and the reprints as a basis for decks and yes take trades/give aways and modified decks to give/lend to players.
Professors get there and help, deck check, trade and support
We have done it here in the UK and it works.. you just need to prepare that's all.
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posted January 28, 2003 03:30 AM
Damn... I wish I knew this before or else I wouldn't have spend most of my $$$ on video games! I really wish my parent(s) got into Pokemon so I wouldn't have to buy all these cards just to keep up with the game! Now I guess i'll have to return some games to get 2 boxes...
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