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cubone
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posted November 11, 2002 08:39 PM
Lately, there have been a lot of posts blaming YGO for the demise of Pokemon. While it is true that we have lost a lot of players lately, it has also brought quite a few people into Pokemon. At our league(4th Street Boutique, Moore,OK), a lot of the better YGO players were intrigued by the level of strategy involved and have started playing. They in turn are bringing others into the game. I think that the quality of the game will bring people back. ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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posted November 12, 2002 12:50 AM
That's a nice thing to hear, and I hope that happens all over. Currently Yu-Gi-Oh players here outnumber Pokemon players at a ratio of about 12:1, but I aint complaining. I myself am a fan of the show, but dispise the card game. Its only a matter of time till the Yu-Gi-Oh players join Pokemon or just quit altogether. Its good to hear some positive news about the Yu-Gi-Oh thing though.
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posted November 16, 2002 02:16 PM
Actually...
I wouldn't say yu-gi-oh players are going to go into Pokemon. I certainly wouldn't at this point.
It's going to become a race between Yugi and Pokemon to see which one dies first. Let's hope it's Yugi :/
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posted November 16, 2002 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by RaNd0m:
Actually...
I wouldn't say yu-gi-oh players are going to go into Pokemon. I certainly wouldn't at this point.
It's going to become a race between Yugi and Pokemon to see which one dies first. Let's hope it's Yugi :/
~ RaNd0m
...Now that's interesting. We already know that Pokemon has the power to last quite a while, but we've yet to see how Yu-Gi-Oh will do once it's beyond the fad stage.
And why would you want Yu-Gi-Oh to die? I'm no fan, but if people have fun playing this, why would you want it to stop? It's a harmless card game. If you'd like it to die due to the fact that it's taken players from Pokemon, do remember that it's still in the fad stage. It's inevitable that some will get tired of it and come back. Then of course, there are those will enjoy it and quit Pokemon altogether. Either way, it's fine. It's been proven that Pokemon has the ability to keep going.
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posted November 16, 2002 06:33 PM
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It's going to become a race between Yugi and Pokemon to see which one dies first. Let's hope it's Yugi :/
Not to start a flame war, RanD0m, but, if Magic and Poké can exist side by side, why can't Poké and Yu-Gi?
They're both excellent games, with rather interesting styles unique to the environment, and to see one get snuffed out of existence by the other would be just sad.
Personal thought: Think that YGO will do quite well, and survive the fad stage, but, as with all games, it will fall, eventually, and be replaced by some new game.
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posted November 16, 2002 07:51 PM
The Yugioh card game must be allowed to die (but not before i get rid of all of my cards lol). It's viewed as a thing to do when you get old enough to be out of pokemon. With some people not liking magic being the only reason they stayed with pokemon, now there's a new card game that they can play with people who don't have too much of a head start on collecting the good cards. Also, the last thing pokemon needs is another compeditor. It wasn't doing too good even before yugioh unfortunetly.
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posted November 16, 2002 07:56 PM
The problem is most Yu-Gi-Oh players are people who got into card games by playing Pokemon and have now moved onto Yu-Gi-Oh. That's the main problem I see in most areas, instead of it being the other way around...
I have nothing against YGO personally, and wouldn't bash it just because it's a popular card game. I don't like people quitting Pokemon altogether for YGO however, I'd prefer they at least continue playing Pokemon as well should they choose to start collecting/playing other card games. That's their decision, but many of them may have a change of heart later after selling or trading off all of their Pokemon cards; they wouldn't be able to get back into the Pokemon TCG even if they wanted to at that point-- that's my primary concern.
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posted November 16, 2002 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by Maverick Hunter Zero:
[QBAnd why would you want Yu-Gi-Oh to die?[/QB]
Well I'll give my personal reason. The short-sighted general manager of the BAM I GL at has decided that since he makes more money (at the moment) from YGO then Pokemon must be has-beens and has generally made it so that I'm moving the League to a gaming store so we can play in peace.
So the short answer would be because it seems that store managers and other folks that the League is dependent on don't see YGO and Pokemon co-existing - or that Pokemon is more a pain than it's worth. ![[Mad]](../tcg/mad.gif)
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posted November 16, 2002 10:20 PM
The difference for me is that YGO is nowhere near the stages that Pokémon was at the time, in Europe. Pokémon has international appeal, YGO just seems to run by us in Europe and we don't really get it. Funnily enough, DBZ did the same a few months back, no-one really minded that disappearing.
Pokémon though is still around.
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posted November 16, 2002 11:55 PM
Yu-gi-oh..loved by some...hated by some.
Well, whatever side you're on, eventually it won't matter... it will be gone soon enough.
After all, it's not run by WoTC...right? ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif) (hoping they'll send free cards for that little bit of sucking up ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif) , lol)
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posted November 17, 2002 02:30 AM
A TCG survives while there is commitment to it. Commitment from both players and the games owner.
YGO has had very little push in the UK and is all but dead. It does appear to be well supported in the USA
SWTCG has had very little push in the UK and is all but dead. (Alive and kicking in the USA)
MtG still going strong in the UK. And everywhere else too!
Pokemon...has a longer history than YGO. This alone will probably ensure its survival in the UK.
MtG players look down upon us pokeplayers...we should not be so narrow minded as to do the same with those who enjoy playing YGO.
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posted November 17, 2002 08:32 AM
Yu-gi-oh is starting to become crowded out by offical leagues at our place. We have limited table room and offical leagues which at least three are held simulataniously work together to split table room nicely. Yu-gi-oh has to get around us no questions asked, they usually have to leave these days.
Yu-gi-oh has no league put together yet (that I know of), which is hurting it, Yu-gi-oh got a big boom, but now not because of it not having a tournament system or a league to support it, its starting to suffer. Also there has been what? 4 expansions released in the last half-year? Isn't that signs of flooding? More kids are coming back to Pokemon again while they still have Pokemon cards.
This is what I have seen, and could be different else where, but I see fewer topics in these forums with titles like "Yu-gi-oh crushed my league." Funny its like history repeating itself when it came to Harry Potter. Overall, don't worry Pokemon players, its Yu-gi-oh I'd start worring about.
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ScythKing
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posted November 17, 2002 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by mysterioustrainer:
Yu-gi-oh has no league put together yet (that I know of)
Well... Books-A-Million actually has posters and standups advertising the Yu-Gi_Oh "League". what really gripes me is that they would never allow me to put up the Pokemon posters and standups citing "company policy". Hah! Anyway - I know they (the YGO players) have been pounding on the doors of several old Pokemon League haunts asking about a "League". To me this shows: (A) the success that WotC had with the whole League concept and (B) Makes me wonder if the kids actually realize that the YGO TCG is by someone else.
But in any case there is a growing support of OP for YGO.
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posted November 17, 2002 10:57 AM
Two words here ladies and gentlemen--Organized Play. Remember those two words as you read through this post.
Many state that YGO is "killing" Pokemon. No it isn't. I want you all to think back to 1998 when Pokemon was where YGO is now. Many people back then thought that Pokemon was "killing" Magic:The Gathering. What Pokemon and Magic have got going for them is probably the BEST "Organized Play" struture of ANY competeting NON-WotC product. Why? Because WotC "INVENTED" the "Trading Card Game" as we have come to know it today.
UpperDeck and Koonami are the forces behind the YGO trading card game. My league stores also run YGO tournaments, six of them weekly due to OVERWHELMING demand. However, the rule structure for YGO is very, very strict with Koonami INSISTING that "international rules" be followed or sanctioning priviledges get revoked. One of the biggest arguments from anyone who has been with the Pokemon TCG for any length of time, is that The Japanese style of TCG game play and the "Western world's" style of game play are TOTALLY different. Guess what, UD doesn't have say as to what rules get done, it is "International Rules" (Based on a Japanese style of game play) or NOTHING.
Which leads me to my second point. UD doesn't have any "organized play" with regards to YGO, it all comes from the direction of Koonami. So, what THEY say, goes. Period. I have heard that YGO is on the way out in Japan, and if that is the case, then OP for YGO will be very short lived if it is soley coming from Koonami.
So, no OP = No YGO TCG.
Case and point. Pokemon in France USED to be, 18 months ago, very alive and vibrant. Now, it is DEAD! Why? Hasbro France has no interest in supporting Organized Play in that country any longer. So, if anything COULD lead to the "demise" of YGO, it would be the lack of support the game gets after the initial "fad" stage wears off.
My personal opinion, UD is flooding the market with new sets, just to "milk" the "Proverbial cash cow" while they still can.
I have not seen any indication that UD or Koonami is even interested in "wide spread" OP with this game outside of Japan.
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ShadowCard
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posted November 17, 2002 04:28 PM
about pokemon's popularity when it rivaled magic, what did magic players say about pokemon when pokemon first came out and took some of their players? Was it like what we're saying right now?
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posted November 17, 2002 07:10 PM
There is a tournement structure out for YGO. UD does support(somewhat)the players by giving top 100 players in each region a booster box of the new cards. What is hurting them(and why WotC is much better at TCG)is they cannot seem to make consistent rulings. Also there is a long delay in allowing new cards to be used in sanctioned tourneys. Currently 5 weeks and going. This is one thing that is bringing players back. WotC does a good job on rulings and with these boards gets changes out fast not to mention that we get to play with those $100 worth of cards we just bought.
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posted November 18, 2002 07:23 PM
No one answered my question. I guessed it got overlooked so i'll just refresh the topic. Did Magic players say the same things we're saying about yugioh, when pokemon came out and took some of their players?
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posted November 18, 2002 07:33 PM
Well actually SkyWolf, Yu-gi-oh! Does get good OP from Upperdeck. Starting may they are having a Mall tour, and next year, they are taking the top 5 duelists to Aisa for World Championships, and the age of the duelists won't matter.
It's true though that Wotc DID innovate the TCG concept, but currently, the best game to play is Magic. Although, Yu-gi-oh! is ALOT of fun. IMO Pokemon is the funnest game to play, but their are too many surrounding politics for me to get into to explain why it isn't my game of choice anymore.
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posted November 19, 2002 04:41 AM
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Starting may they are having a Mall tour, and next year, they are taking the top 5 duelists to Aisa for World Championships, and the age of the duelists won't matter.
[sarcasm] May? May? By May YGO will be DEAD! Why are they waiting until May??? They're killing the game by waiting until May!!!! They should be doing the Mall tour NOW!!!!! There is NO OP!! We need OP!!! May will be too late - everyone will have gone onto something else!!!![/sarcasm]
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posted November 19, 2002 04:27 PM
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[sarcasm] May? May? By May YGO will be DEAD! Why are they waiting until May??? They're killing the game by waiting until May!!!! They should be doing the Mall tour NOW!!!!! There is NO OP!! We need OP!!! May will be too late - everyone will have gone onto something else!!!![/sarcasm]
You're talking about the recent happenings concerning Pokémon's OP I assume.
I wish I could laugh, but think about this.
Yu-Gi-Oh, if it starts a Mall Tour, will be one step ahead of Pokémon. No politics there, man. No reasons for things to be delayed, and maybe sold to other companies. No players waiting for a reason to start playtesting again, even though they're plenty willing to pay to go to a big event.
Don't get me wrong, I know (hope) there's a reason that things are being delayed...but it doesn't seem too funny to me. =\
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posted November 19, 2002 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by BJJ763:
[sarcasm] May? May? By May YGO will be DEAD! Why are they waiting until May??? They're killing the game by waiting until May!!!! They should be doing the Mall tour NOW!!!!! There is NO OP!! We need OP!!! May will be too late - everyone will have gone onto something else!!!![/sarcasm]
You're talking about the recent happenings concerning Pokémon's OP I assume.
I wish I could laugh, but think about this.
Yu-Gi-Oh, if it starts a Mall Tour, will be one step ahead of Pokémon. No politics there, man. No reasons for things to be delayed, and maybe sold to other companies. No players waiting for a reason to start playtesting again, even though they're plenty willing to pay to go to a big event.
Don't get me wrong, I know (hope) there's a reason that things are being delayed...but it doesn't seem too funny to me. =\
Note that I'm using my "member" name here:
Let me be a little bit brutal here about why information is delayed.
Ready? Here it is>>
We (very) recently had a major brouhaha here on the boards. Part of this brouhaha involved the disclosure of a private conversation between a WotC employee and a member of the boards. While the presentation of that conversation was probably fractured (we never heard the WotC employee's side of it and we have seen on other threads how hearing the other side can change the look of things dramatically!), disclosed it was.
Don't you think for a minute that there weren't repurcussions from that. That whole thing that was "supposed to save Pokemon or destroy it" is directly to blame for the lack of information that is flowing out. You can bet that until every single contract is signed and every single TO is lined up and every single location is set in stone we aren't going to hear one gol'darn word about the details of the upcoming series.
Thank you, Lugia.
Thank you, Martin.
You guys want to vent at someone about not hearing details on OP, there you go. It is laid directly at their feet.
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posted November 19, 2002 06:17 PM
Hey, Yu-Gi-Oh isnt that bad as it seems. Ex. My little bro bought 16 bucks worth of boosters and sold the cards that were in them for $40(hmm maybe just some lucky packs ![[Dropjaw]](../tcg/graemlins/dropjaw.gif) ) , used 16 to buy some more packs, 16 more to get pokemon, and saved the rest. My point is that yu-gi-oh does have its "really expensive cards" advanatge, like pokemon did, and for the mean time can be quite useful ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif) (unless the boosters go sky high like they did back in canada for a short time) .
Then again on the other hand, the urllings for the game are at times so horrible that my head starts aching when I see two people play, me I really doubt it will live long less they straighten out everything.
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posted November 19, 2002 06:35 PM
Lol...
Poke and Yugi can't exist side by side because they are competing over the same age groups. Simple enough?
Pokepop, Martin and Lugia causing Pokemon's death... rofl... that's as bad as my article causing MANY people to quit. =)
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posted November 19, 2002 06:47 PM
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I'm sorry you are mad Poke'pop
I think you just need to stop,
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because the reality is we didn't do a thing,
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is ripping on us that much fun?
OH! Look this rhymes,
Will this be the last time,
you hear from me or Lugia?
could be, but for now i'm out of heya!
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posted November 19, 2002 07:07 PM
Dear god....because of 2 people we're not getting the OP we want? You gotta be kidding me. That's like a teacher beating a class because one kid sneezed, c'mon 'pop, it doesn't make sense.
And as to the whole "Yugi should die because it's taking players away from pokey" arguement, last time I checked people had free will. I don't think America/the UK have switched to a dictatorship, but hey, I could be wrong.
Anyway, this whole debate is pretty stupid, why can't we all just wait and see what happens, mmmkay?
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