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Martin Moreno
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posted November 02, 2002 12:19 PM
We all have seen a recent uprise in the popularity of Yu-Gi-Oh!. It currently is the most popular game out right now. But the game has serious flaws.
First of all, It is nearly impossible to prove card rulings at tournaments since Upper Deck dosen't have any sort of ruling compendium document. Going to tournaments is BOGUS.
Like, in Yugioh theres an Item finder type card called Magician Of Faith, and when my opponent used it in a tournament, they said they didn't have to show me the card they get from the discard, even though it specificlly says you can only get a certain card..ofcourse the awful judge didn't even know how to play just went with it. Costing me the game.
If it was a Pokemon tournament, you can easily prove your case using a Pokemon Compendium and the latest DCI Floor Rules.
But that is besides the point. Currently leagues (or battlezone, whatever it's called now) are just in a stoop. Attendances are low, interest is down, and well it isn't fun anymore.
There is sometihng I have noticed however, alot of the top yuGioh players are Ex or current Pokemon Players. And alot of Pokemon leagues have been replaced, or are ran concurrently with Yu-gi-oh tournaments.
What I propose you do to fight back, is to try stealing players back to this game. It is actually a possibility once players get sick of the game they can break out the old Pokemon Binders.
And with the new Modified rules, they can buy cards from the newest sets (for a cheaper price) and get immediatly competitive. But yes, this would take help from Professor's to accomplish.
If you start running more Pokemon tournaments...possibly with Exstravegant prizes, it will spark up even more interest and win back players...and then some.
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posted November 02, 2002 12:52 PM
Mr. Moreno:
I agree with your position on this issue. I believe that UD has far too many limitations on their "leagues" for a game that is just starting out.
According to a reliable source:
UD is only sanctioning YGO touraments at 147 stores, NATIONWIDE. (I have heard that this league program has been delayed again until January '03.)
Japanese cards are NOT allowed in tournament play.
Tournaments are to be run as SINGLE ELIM. ONLY!
UD is requiring all participating stores to charge each player $5 for attending a sanctioned event.
All of these limitations spell a very uncertain future for this game, and UD's reputation isn't exactly the best in the industry either.
I want you to know that I am doing my part as a MP to ensure this game's future success, and I hope that many other players will see the benefits in doing the same for the overall long-term success of the game.
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posted November 02, 2002 01:16 PM
I give YGO until February at the latest before it starts into visible decline.
That game just doesn't hold a candle to Pokémon. 
Just be patient and keep fighting for Pokémon. It WILL come back. 
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posted November 02, 2002 01:29 PM
Good post, Martin.
I will note that back when we were first getting the word out about the Compendium, Pokemon was in a similar situation.
WotC did not create the Compendium. A few nutso volunteers did. We were from a small message board that had a fraction of the membership of the big Pokemon board (Pojo) and just got the thing out there in front of people by referring to it whenever we helped out with a ruling.
Unless someone does something similar (and UD encourages them, as WotC wound up doing with us), YGO tourneys will continue to be "he said/she said".
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posted November 02, 2002 01:38 PM
The main reason I think YGO won't last long is because it lacks the repetitiveness of Pokemon. Think: how many cards are there for each Pokemon? At least three. Look @ Pikachu! I wouldnt be suprised if there were well over 30 different kinds of Pikachu.
What I mean is once a card is made in YGO, thats it, they only make the card in THAT way. There are some different cards of the same monsters, but they are the same as their counterparts, same ATK, DEF, everything. One of the biggest thrills of Pokemon is the differences between cards and seeing which ones have cool attacks that can be comboed w/ others. YGO barely scratches onto that. I agree, the decline is coming soon, and the cool episodes of the show are over, just increasing its losses. It was fun while it lasted, but don't go spending that allowance on the game that won't last much longer.
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posted November 02, 2002 02:46 PM
I hate discussions like this.
Why?
Because you guys all go dismissing this game that some of you have never played before. Sure, Upperdeck isn't exactly running this system smoothly and it could be improved. But these mistakes that are being made are no worse than the ones that WoTC hs pulled on all of you in the past.
You all say that this game and the idea of Yu-Gi-Oh! are going to just die and go away. *Snort*
Wait a Minute! ![[Confused]](../tcg/confused.gif)
Isn't that exactly what all those Magic players were saying when this fad called Pokemon swept the nation? I think so!!
Weren't you all trying to defend this fad, and weren't you all pleading that Pokemon could last and hold onto its popularity? i think so!
In fact, weren't M:tG players surprised at Origins when they saw a Pokemon draft event? Surprised that this "kiddie game" lasted long enough to have a Draft format?
Yes lithium , they were! ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif)
So why doesn't everyone just shut their traps' about Yu-Gi-Oh. You dont have to defend WotC and its games. YOU CAN LIKE POKEMON AND YGO at the same time!!!!!! This isn't a choice between clean air or clean water.
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posted November 02, 2002 02:58 PM
Not all of us are dissing Yugioh. I happen to Like the game.
I don't see Yugioh dying out anytime soon. But the deal is, people will start getting sick of it. The first year of Pokemon people left..not in huge numbers, but still left. They went to Magic. And slowly MANY MANY followed.
This is what people want accomplished here.
I call it the "Rebound Effect". When Pokemon was hot, it took alot of players from Magic The Gathering. Alot of Pokemons best were Magic players.
As the fad died down, alot of them went back to Magic. And Many followed.
I see History repeating itself. Not now, but further down the road. When people want an alternative, they can bust out the Poke cards.
Most likely they will just go to Magic, but if we work hard now, this can happen.
Call me naive..but I think we can make a difference.
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posted November 02, 2002 03:14 PM
Why do you have to make a difference at all?
Why can't you just get over the fact that some players are into something else?
Why must you go influence their desires and "Pursuit of Happiness"?
Why cant you accept that they are playing a game that istn't Pokemon?
Why dont you decide to let people think and choose for themselves, or would you rather have us all go burn some books at the local library because they don't include you message of "Only Play Pokemon"?
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posted November 02, 2002 03:34 PM
I don't have a problem with Yu-Gi-Oh the game, but I really hate to see good Pokemon players leaving Pokemon TCG and trading off all their cards just to play Yu-Gi-Oh. In my opinion, they're making a big mistake.
Where I live, they hold Yu-Gi-Oh tournaments on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. A lot of the Yu-Gi-Oh players have expressed interest in attending my sanctioned Pokemon tournaments which I recently started here. That is welcome news for me, I would love to "steal" some of the Yu-Gi-Oh players back, and show them how much fun they can have playing Pokemon again. ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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posted November 02, 2002 03:47 PM
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I really hate to see good Pokemon players leaving Pokemon TCG and trading off all their cards just to play Yu-Gi-Oh. In my opinion, they're making a big mistake.
Why don't you explain why you think its such a bad idea to trade all their PKMN cards away to play YGO?
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I would love to "steal" some of the Yu-Gi-Oh players back, and show them how much fun they can have playing Pokemon again.
Why do you feel compelled to "steal" YGO players back in the first place? Can you not be content with the fact that they are happy where they are and dont need you meddling? Dont save them if they dont want to be saved.
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posted November 02, 2002 03:57 PM
hmmm im thinking that this lithum d00d is like ygo's number 1 fan..but anyways =/
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Why do you have to make a difference at all?
hmmmm good question...maybe because we don't want this game to die and we want as many players as we can get? =/
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Why can't you just get over the fact that some players are into something else?
umm maybe im just stubborn =////...and personally i can get over the fact that some players can go play another game...most of the people at a league i attend left to ygo and i couldnt really even care for they did very little playing and if they played that didnt do good and didnt even try to be good =/
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Why must you go influence their desires and "Pursuit of Happiness"?
Why not? Trying to help them see things from a different pov will give them a better decision making process. Maybe they'll realize ygo isn't all that good like they thought and that they'll go back to pokemon because it 0wnz ygo. =/
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Why cant you accept that they are playing a game that istn't Pokemon?
[EDIT? Who said I can't accept they arent playing pokemon? All of my friends at school either don't play a card game PERIOD or some just have some old poke/magic cards lying in a box somewhere(they don't know i play btw which = good thing =/)
I can accept that and i like to be friends with each of them anyway. Also i can accept that they are playing a different game...for example with some kids at my league, some of them were good in pokemon and went into ygo...but i dont mind, ill let them pwn another game and all the little kiddies that get beat in that will shift back to pokemon. =/
anyways...i just have to say that ygo will probably end up losing some of its players back to pokemon, and will not make it too far...maybe just a little far into next year =/
My hat is off to Yu-Gi-Oh, the game for kids that couldnt win at pokemon so they tried to be good at something else and still sux0r. =/
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posted November 02, 2002 04:06 PM
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Why don't you explain why you think its such a bad idea to trade all their PKMN cards away to play YGO?
i cant speak for lacy, but i think trading away all your cards to go into another game is a mistake because they may find that ygo is lamez0r and will want to go back to pokemon and then poof it's like "crap! dont got anymore cards" and go cry =/
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Why do you feel compelled to "steal" YGO players back in the first place? Can you not be content with the fact that they are happy where they are and dont need you meddling? Dont save them if they dont want to be saved.
Now let me ask you...how do you know they don't want to be saved? Why are you putting words in their mouths? "Stealing" back YGO players will give us more players for our game and I definitely know Pkmn has more to offer than YGO atm atleast. =/ Who said they are happy playing their game? I am happy with the YGO players playing until they start losing and crying about their losses. And then they complain that it's not fair they can't get good cards. In pokemon you can win with a pretty crappy deck...in ygo...its very hard not to win without some good cards that cost a nice load. And personally, anyone can meddle where they want to until they say for themselves that they're fine playing YGO and would like to be left alone.
So...why are you trying to defend all these YGO gone pkmn players?
Why are you so against us trying to recruit as many people as we can?
Why are you so against us trying to broaden the ideas and povs on both games?
Are we not allowed to meddle around and "steal" players like YGO "stole" from us? =/
Why do you even care?
And finally...why are you trying to give the people of this post a hard time? =\
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posted November 02, 2002 04:23 PM
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Who said I can't accept they arent playing pokemon?
I am. Why? Because if you could accept it, you would just let them go and stop trying to convince them to stop playing YGO.
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we don't want this game to die and we want as many players as we can get? =/
If you want so many players, why dont you try to go convert all of your friends that you spoke of and other people you know? Why must it be YGO players? You can accept that your friends dont want to play PKMN, but you are hung up over YGO players, why?
Well I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you all why.
The answer is that WotC has you all thinking that PKMN is the only game that you can play. WotC has made every one of you into little walking commercials for PKMN that devotely believe in their cause. You have to go around spreading the "Good News" to other people and solicitating PKMN sales. That's why you're not intereseted in attracting your friends, they just want you to literally STEAL UpperDeck's business.
You are all trying to Force your Will upon others. That is the bottom line and you cannot avoid it.
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posted November 02, 2002 04:37 PM
The answer is that WotC has you all thinking that PKMN is the only game that you can play. WotC has made every one of you into little walking commercials for PKMN that devotely believe in their cause. You have to go around spreading the "Good News" to other people and solicitating PKMN sales. That's why you're not intereseted in attracting your friends, they just want you to literally STEAL UpperDeck's business.
I`m sorry,but thats got to be one of the lamest things I`ve heard in awhile.Yeah,WotC has turned me into an automaton that spouts "Pokemon is the only thing in the Universe".
Please.You can have your own opinions,but if you are going to support them,at least have something credible to back them up.Not lame accusations that make you look foolish.
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posted November 02, 2002 04:47 PM
In response to Raikou's post at November 02, 2002 04:06 PM.
You all keep assuming that YGO is a lame game and players wont stick with it. That is Exactly what Magic players said to you and you're still playing the game they thought was lame.
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how do you know they don't want to be saved
Because I obviously am one of them!!!!
We dont need you telling us what to play and I'm tired of it. Tired of all you ragging on my game that i like.
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"Stealing" back YGO players will give us more players for our game and I definitely know Pkmn has more to offer than YGO atm atleast
This statement is riddled with selfishness! WE want players for OUR game so WE can have fun!!
Why wont you admit that you are trying to convince YGO players to convert? If we weren't happy where we are, why would we be playing this game? I am a YGO player and the the fate of that game is what i make it. Dont tell me that it has no future.
Sensei: If my statement is so foolish, how come no one wants to refute it? How come people are still trying to convert YGO players? Can you come up with a more logical reason?
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posted November 02, 2002 05:06 PM
i totally agree wit lithium i mean if peeps wanna play yugioh let them play yugioh its their choice what they wanna do not ures so just like back off and thats ure opinion if that yugiohs not gonna last and if it sux to u thats ure opinion and well people dont give a [EDIT]what u think i mean like i said before they can choose what they wanna do and what do u mean the yugioh stuff is dieing out its crazy u wanna know how fast yugioh cards are selling out and the leagues there jam packed so i dont know what youve been smokin lately but ure completly wrong ![[beholder]](http://archivedboards.wizards.com/tcg/graemlins/beholder_yellow.gif)
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posted November 02, 2002 05:15 PM
Sensei: If my statement is so foolish, how come no one wants to refute it? How come people are still trying to convert YGO players? Can you come up with a more logical reason?
That statement I quoted from you is foolish.
As for trying to convert from YGO,you think you are speaking for all of them when you are only talking for yourself.You are putting words in their mouths too.
So,instead of arguing with people back and forth when neither side is budging,just post your opinions and if it isn`t going anywhere,then stop arguing.It`s pointless to go on and on and say the same things over and over.
You have said your point.If anyone brings up anything else,then you can respond but don`t do it in a argumentive way and don`t post things like "wotc has people brainwashed" etc.That`s just lame.
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posted November 02, 2002 05:20 PM
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The answer is that WotC has you all thinking that PKMN is the only game that you can play. WotC has made every one of you into little walking commercials for PKMN that devotely believe in their cause. You have to go around spreading the "Good News" to other people and solicitating PKMN sales. That's why you're not intereseted in attracting your friends, they just want you to literally STEAL UpperDeck's business.
ROFL =/ not really buddy, I don't go around school or any place for that matter saying play the pokemon game and buy cards! Heck, I hardly even talk to anyone about pokemon accept for a few people that talk to me on irc about pokemon. Mostly i talk about other things in my life and now that wrestling is one of them, i have lost a lot of time that i could play pokemon on weekends and such to wrestling. I missed league today because of practice and I will again next weekend and so on.
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If you want so many players, why dont you try to go convert all of your friends that you spoke of and other people you know? Why must it be YGO players? You can accept that your friends dont want to play PKMN, but you are hung up over YGO players, why?
Uhhhh...because card games in school PERIOD are looked down upon as kiddie and I'm not losing my rep over some card game, no matter what it is. It is only YGO players because most of them came from Pokemon and they know where we're coming from. Many magic players tried to convert me from Pokemon and the only reason I didn't was because of the money needed to be good. I can accept my friends not playing because they never were into card games and they have no idea I play a game...while the YGO players do play a card game and if they laugh at me for playing pkmn, i can laugh back at them for playing ygo, which again i must say atm is very disorganized in OP and other things such as no league or something to keep the interest in the game.
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Because I obviously am one of them!!!!
We dont need you telling us what to play and I'm tired of it. Tired of all you ragging on my game that i like.
Actually you were more obviously making an ass out of yourself then looking like one of the players that dun wanna be "saved" =/ Stop speaking for the rest of the people playing YGO...you are just a very small percentage..probably .0001% or so and don't speak for the majority. I don't need you telling me what I can't or can't do either. If a kid tells me to stop raggin ygo at league, then they can tell me themselves..they might be little but the little rascals know what they want/dont want. =/ On your game? It ain't really your game to say I cannot rag on it. I am not stopping you from liking it either, if you don't like what we say, then don't listen to it and just plain go away. It is as simple as that.
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This statement is riddled with selfishness! WE want players for OUR game so WE can have fun!! Why wont you admit that you are trying to convince YGO players to convert? If we weren't happy where we are, wye would we be playing this game? I am a YGO player and the the fate of that game is what i make it. Dont tell me that it has no future.
I am a bit selfish and I don't mind admitting it. I also admit that I am trying to convince YGO players to convert back to pkmn, but only for their sake...and if they don't want to I won't force them, nor could I if I wanted, unless i went postal...but we won't go there. =/ I used to not be very happy playing pokemon, yet I still played it for some reason. I found it hard and I didn't know how to be good at the game. Finally I won a few times, and learned strategy and I started to figure out how to play something fun, and still win. Also, you are a player of the game, but what you do doesn't make it or break it buddy. Sorry, but only the corp execs can really make a difference on the game, except for the fact of sales on cards, which relies on players. I don't really think you're gonna go out and buy all the cards you can get your hands on, so the fate of the game really doesn't rely on what you make it. =/ And I can tell you what I please. I could call you names and tell you my opinions on chips, and religion, and on tv shows. If you don't like, ignore it. No one makes you come to wizpog to post here and since you don't seem to like pokemon(thats the inference im making..could be wrong), you could just stop coming here and let us pokemon players talk about what we wish. =/
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posted November 02, 2002 06:05 PM
Overall, the Pokemon TCG has way better support than yugioh.
15+ in Pokemon at least get side events.
But players of ANY age in YuGioh currently dont get an event of any sort. Unless you count Origins (which isn't really that much anyway).
But this thread isn't about what game is better. It is about how to get Pokemon back on track.
You say your "Sick of seeing people getting YuGioh players to play Pokemon here", this is a POKEMON board. Ofcourse people will favor Pokemon here.
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posted November 02, 2002 06:12 PM
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You are all trying to Force your Will upon others. That is the bottom line and you cannot avoid it.
I'm sorry, but it appears you are the one trying to convince us we shouldn't promote Pokemon - a game we all love to play. This is a Pokemon board, not YGO. Naturally everyone here is going to try to promote Pokemon.
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Because I obviously am one of them!!!!
We dont need you telling us what to play and I'm tired of it. Tired of all you ragging on my game that i like.
Just because you don't want to play Pokemon doesn't mean others do not. I don't think you can speak for the entire YGO card-playing populace. I know MANY YGO players that also play Pokemon. I personally don't see why it's so foolish to think other YGO players might like to play Pokemon as well. Most if not ALL YGO players have played Pokemon at some point in time, and many I know express an interest in playing Pokemon again!
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This statement is riddled with selfishness! WE want players for OUR game so WE can have fun!!
Why wont you admit that you are trying to convince YGO players to convert? If we weren't happy where we are, why would we be playing this game? I am a YGO player and the the fate of that game is what i make it. Dont tell me that it has no future.
I am trying to get YGO players to take up Pokemon again. This doesn't mean they have to drop YGO in order to play Pokemon. That's their personal choice. If you wish to strictly play YGO that's your decision, but like I said, many YGO players play both YGO as well as Pokemon.
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Why don't you explain why you think its such a bad idea to trade all their PKMN cards away to play YGO?
When most people sell off or trade off all of their cards just to get rid of them; they are generally doing themselves a huge disservice. After they have spent so much money to amass their first collection, dropping it so quickly can lead to regret. I hate for anyone to cheat themselves, especially when there is the likely possibility they may actually want to play a Pokemon game or two in the future.
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Why do you feel compelled to "steal" YGO players back in the first place? Can you not be content with the fact that they are happy where they are and dont need you meddling? Dont save them if they dont want to be saved.
As I said in my first post, many have expressed interest in taking up Pokemon again. Naturally, I am going to encourage them to play Pokemon as well. Wouldn't you encourage a Pokemon player to take up Yu-Gi-Oh, the game you love? I don't call it meddling, it's more like positive encouragement. There's no way I can push Pokemon off on anyone if there is not some genuine interest in the game already there.
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posted November 02, 2002 06:28 PM
I believe that Professor Lacy and myself have finally come to a friendly conclusion.
I am a person who plays both games intently (take note of professorship).And I agree that this is not a polar issue. As now we have both said in different words: "This isn't a choice between clean air or clean water."
I also will quickly agree with you that selling off a whole collection is foolish. No one should put all their eggs in one basket.
Martin: my original post was made because so many people think that the way to help invigorate PKMN is to hurt and pull down YGO.
This is what i am trying to stress to my fellow 'Pogers.
Accept that possibly YGO is here to stay for a while, and there is no need to insult either side, especially when so many players are on both.
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posted November 02, 2002 07:15 PM
Here is my two (or maybe three) cents:
Yu-Gi-Oh! is in its fad stage as most everyone knows. This is the time when its cool to do it... you do it because your friends are doing it (this is the majority). But with upperdeck in charge (who have never had a successful card game) its a sure bet that its organized play won't be that great. Most people around my area are fad followers. When Pokemon was in its fad stage we had lots of people, and after too. Now that Yu-gi-oh is in its fad stage our Pokemon leaue has dropped to about 4 people with 30-40 Yu-Gi-Oh people many of which were pokemon players. Also, most of them weren't very good at Pokemon and have no idea what they're doing in Yu-Gi-Oh.
Less than 10% of the people actually know how to play and know the rules (I don't play but know the rules and occasionally point out them). They play "destroy all monsters with no life points" where you have to go through the entire deck destroying all the opponents monsters and since there is no deck limit they have over 100 cards. Most play "No Tribute" in which you'll see someone play a Blue Eyes first turn, 3 Monster Reborn/Raigeki/Change of Heart/etc., and Fusion Monsters w/o Polymerization. Now, with the lack of OP and rulings upperdeck has a real mess on their hands and both of the afore mentioned ways of "deuling" require no strategy and to me would get boring after a little bit.
My pokemon league runs at about the same time as yu-gi-oh league and we are in a little back room. And personally I am sick of Yu-Gi-oh. They are loud, steal each others cards, and take up too much room. Also, most of them are the little kids from Pokemon that stunk and still do in Yu-Gi-Oh. I'm not saying all Yu-Gi-Oh players are like this just the majoity that are at my league and that I've seen. I'm just waiting for the fad stage to be over to see if this game really lasts. I believe there will be some faithful Yu-Gi-oh players but most of them will leave after the fad goes away.
Thats just my two cents... or maybe it was a dime ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
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posted November 03, 2002 06:36 AM
"Unless someone does something similar (and UD encourages them, as WotC wound up doing with us), YGO tourneys will continue to be "he said/she said"."
There is a "Compendium" for YGO. Check out Edo's YGO site for it. And if you don't agree with the rulings, email Konami/Upperdeck and you'll see.
"I'm just waiting for the fad stage to be over to see if this game really lasts"
If YGO lasts half as long as it has been in Japan, we'll have it for some good years.
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posted November 03, 2002 07:05 AM
What's funny here is that both Lithium and BrookerT are from my League, and have been given both the space and time to play YGO as they wish. Some Pokemon League locations refuse to allow other card games to be played during Pokemon hours. We don't. We want the players to be happy, whatever game they are playing. Things COULD be different, and both Lithium and BrookerT COULD be faced with practically no where to play, or at least looking for a location where they are welcome to play YGO. It isn't that way now, and prob. won't be in the near future, as I see this as a passing fad as well. It happened with Potter. BrookerT was a Potter player. I'm not sure if Lithium was, but our Potter League is GONE. Died an early death due to lack of any type of growth. Our Pokemon attendance remains strong, and should stay so with any type of continued supoort from WotC during the upcoming BZone and Challenge season (assuming there will be Challenges) So I guess I KIND of agree with Lithium to a point. Let them have their fun, because everything in life is limited(btw, we have no intentions of running OP for YGO at York...the owner of York might, but we as the people that run League cannot commit any additional time)
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posted November 03, 2002 09:46 AM
ok i will give you the situation, we lose people to yu-gi-oh EVERY day, but if there gonna play the game let me tell u this is not the time to start it, i mean the cards that u NEED for a deck (power 5) are pretty easy except the other cards you need are 40$ so this is the time to collect yu-gi-oh (we remember charizard) but if you want to play just wait, there will be a decline in players (obviously) but it wont die, and the flaws are the decks, for us it oak, comp search, item finder, gust, plus power and any other cards and u have a great deck, for yu-gi-oh its PoG, MR, Rageki, Axe, CoH, Del Duo, Confis, La Jinn, 7 Color and u have a good deck so until they make a MF i think the decks are too easy
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