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Topic: The End: The Future of Pokemon with WoTC
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Golduck
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posted March 14, 2003 03:35 AM
I just realized that this isn't a game. It's a lifestyle.
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Dark and Vile
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posted March 14, 2003 04:55 AM
You are 100% correct Golduck, it IS a lifestyle.
We base so much of our family activities around this game. For us, this would be similar to an announcement that soccer will no longer be played.
I'm still hopeful that TPC/Nintendo will continue organized play. I find it hard to believe that they will not. I have to believe that OP is a revenue driver for this product.
I doubt that TPC/Nintendo will start setting up a DCI-like body. They aren't in that business and I can't imagine why they would want to start.
But that's ok with me. I couldn't care less about ratings and such though. If TPC dropped the ratings and put the focus (even more focus than WoTC) on events and tournaments, I would be very happy.
I'm feeling pretty optimistic about what the future holds.
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PhoenixSong
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posted March 14, 2003 05:11 AM
If nintendo DOESN'T create something like The DCI, there's no reason that we can't. I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult to find some software or at least some software we could tweak ... or to devlop at least some tpye of reliable rating system that is accepted as the norm.
~ Jim
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Lord Gothmog
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posted March 14, 2003 05:57 AM
"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?"
Ouch. Full on loss of the game. After 5 years.
Well, I have to say that I had a pretty good run. Not as tournament-filled as others. One STS Qualifier, with the hotel stay spent with the DSL staff running the event(definitely the high point of my experience with Pokemon), one STS with Prop 15, one Professor Championship, and lots of local play. Plus lots of money made on it. And it was a stepping stone to other TCGs, like the Lord of The Rings card game.
Here's one thing I don't understand. You all act as though with no Pokemon from WOTC to unite us, the friends you will have made in the process will no longer be friends. It was a facilitator. The future of friendships are not bound to it.
That said, I have met a lot of cool people because of Pokemon. It has shaped my life considerably, for good and ill. One result leads to another, leads to another, leads to another. Friends and enemies made, heartbreak(not an embellishment, seriously), knowledge gained, persona shaped, and who knows what consequences in the future.
I will be at Origins for the Professor Challenge if I'm not so poor as to not even be able to afford food at the time. Barring that, I'll be there. I'm also going to make a considerable effort to get to GenCon, at least for the one last tourney. I hope I can make that.
Mikes, Pat, Steve... I think you did a pretty good job with the hand you were dealt.
To MTM: Thanks for all the free stuff at Origins. Hang on to that foil Weedle. And don't forgot to wear your Weedle crown from the STS2000.
It wouldn't be a controversy post if I didn't give my opinion, so I guess I better do that.
I think that if Nintendo of America gets control, it will wallow and die. Big unfriendly corperations directly printing a TCG seldom get things right. Case in point, Upper Deck. The writing is on the wall for Pokemon as a franchise altogether. Soon it will be just an underground cult following. Nothing wrong with being in that following, you just have to move on to other places as well. I'll be playing the LOTR TCG and actually having a social and working life. It's worked for me so far. But I won't forget my Pokemon roots.
In a way, I think that the game will be more popular with it's players now. Nothing to argue about. It's a closed book. Now you can just reread it. But if by some miracle TPC reversed it's decision and an agreement was made to extend the license a while longer, hey, rock on, we get more cards and tourneys. But even if that happens, the game won't be the same. Now it's impressed upon us that the game has a clear, definitive end. We'll always be able to see that now. Suddenly the DCI and tournaments and rankings and STSs and stuff doesn't seem as relevent.
I think that the game as we know it is now an island. There's one or two more ships coming with supplies, then we're stuck here with what we got. Some people trapped on an island try to get off. It's like 5 feet to mainland in shallow tropical waters, knock yourself out. But I don't think that island is so bad. Finally there's no more whining about equality in organized play -- everybody has none! All that's left to do is play the game. Build decks. Reminisce.
I'll be on the island. Where will you be?
I will see you at Origins.
DO YOU KNOW LORD GOTHMOG?
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posted March 14, 2003 06:03 AM
a couple of quotes from my favorite movie(one of them changed allittle):
"So do all who live to see such times,
but that is not for them to decide.
All you have to decide is what to do
with the time that is given to you."
Not if we hold true to each other. We will not abandon Pokemon to torment and death. Not while we have strength left.
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Tahna
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posted March 14, 2003 10:31 AM
Heck yeah,
"Iammar prestaer han"
'The World has changed'
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The true lord of the pits
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posted March 14, 2003 10:36 AM
Lugia, great quote choices ^_^
Hey, what happened to TR Cassidy and that great "WizPOG: The Batthe For Power" fic? I'd MUCH rather listen to the latest chapter (if it's ever gonna come -_-) than argue like some old man! Some of us will head to the Grey Havens (YGO, MtG and quitting), but I have a nice feeling that the remainder of us (the MAJORITY) will get out alive, the Pokebranch members/MT's will find new employment easily, may it be from Wizards or from abroad, and lastly,
THE GAME WILL MAKE IT SAFELY, SO GET OUT OF YOUR CHAIR WIMPING OUT AND ACT LIKE IT! ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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Orange Soda
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posted March 14, 2003 07:07 PM
Why I believe that Nintendo will continue OP:
I do believe that Nintendo thought it could make more money off the Pokemon TCG by doing it themselves, rather than just continuing to liscense it out to WotC. Many people have stated this. However, I don't believe that this move was made solely for short term profits.
A while ago, I read an article about how Nintendo does its business. You can read it here. Essentially, it talks about how Nintendo is the video game console company that makes the most money (Yes, Nintendo makes more money off gaming than Sony, despite Sony's much larger marketshare.)
On the surface, comparison makes our situation look a bit grim: "Oh, no! Nintendo worries only about maximum profit! They won't support the game at all!"
But then, you dig a little deeper. You see that Nintendo doesn't put much focus on, for instance, TV commercials, because they can get more bang for their buck elsewhere, such as movie theater ads and the media (this is why Nintendo has sponsored such events as "World's Largest bowl of pasta", and having someone in a Mario suit, and some other people, jump into it afterward). Now I believe that this is essentially why organized play works: You put some investment in Tournaments and Leagues, but you get even more money in return because it encourages people to buy more cards.
Also, I believe that Nintendo may have its own version of the Professor/Delagate Program. Nintendo has been learning from Wizards, has it not? Well, the Professor/Delegate program promotes the game with a relatively small financial input from Wizards, does it not? In my opinion, it fits well with Nintendo's marketing scheme.
Nintendo has been in the industry of video gaming longer than its current competitors, and has outlasted older competitors. Therefore, I believe that, when it comes to money, Nintendo knows what it's doing.
LONG LIVE POKEMON!
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Articjedi
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posted March 14, 2003 07:29 PM
It's also kind of ironic that Nintendo started as a card making company in the late 1800's. Before they made video games, they made a Japanese card game called handafuda.
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Ice'Cold
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posted March 14, 2003 07:47 PM
Game isnt ending, but everything we have depends on a few key decisions from all involved companies. I agree with everyone else, LONG LIVE POKEMON, nomatter in what shape or form. The games have taught me alot over the years, and even if the TCG isnt around any more im still radical about card games. LOTR isnt looking so bad anymore, and besides Magic is still a cool game, Neopets might even work out.
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LionheartHero16
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posted March 15, 2003 01:00 AM
I cant believe that it is over. Or is it??????????????????
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Houdin
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posted March 15, 2003 04:43 AM
Oh My God! It's orribilous!
Well... i'm Italian and i writgh this post by all my heart. I'm sorry 4 my english but i love the pokémon tcg and if wotc don't have any sets after Skyridge and Jumboree... oh... ![[Frown]](../tcg/frown.gif)
THANKS WIZARD OF THE COAST! THANKS FOR ALL!!! ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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posted March 15, 2003 05:05 AM
When I first read this Thursday morning, I thought it was some cruel joke. But when I realized it was truth...I just really didn't know what to think. And then I thought about it and realized what could happen(being a worrywart and always thinking whats the worst that could happen): no more op, no dci, no more wotc/mt's, many people quitting, and finally the horrible death of the game. So I had a nice big cryfest (i was able to go on for awhile with the female's considerably large tear ducts )
But even if all of these things happen, I LOVE THIS GAME TOO MUCH. I could never just 'drop it'. I'll stick with Pokemon wherever it goes. And to me, the people who play this game...our community...are just as valuable to me as the game. I am saddened to hear that some people will be quitting without even giving Nintendo a chance. If we only try, we CAN make this game even better than it was with Wizards! But we need to stick together. So please, give Nintendo a chance. I for one think they deserve it.
Can I get a AMEN?! ![[Bounce]](../tcg/graemlins/jump.gif)
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posted March 15, 2003 07:05 AM
misty, i dont think we have any other choice but to give nintendo a chance. but there is no way nintendo will give pokemon the kind of tournaments that WOTC did, which is very frustrating for me. i am going to miss you guys at wotc so so much [MTM, DMTM, Kieren, and the rest of the krew]. what a bummer. ![[Dropjaw]](../tcg/graemlins/dropjaw.gif)
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WizO_Paradox
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posted March 15, 2003 08:01 AM
Heh. I just had a thought. Now don't hate me for this one, it just struck me as sort of funny.
WotC had to get the license for use of Pokemon from Nintendo, right? Well...
If Nintendo intends to make any sort of TCG, they might have to pay royalties to WotC, as WotC owns Patents to TCG mechanics. A straight card game they could do if it includes all the cards. A collectable card game, however, is another matter.
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posted March 15, 2003 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by WizO_Paradox:
If Nintendo intends to make any sort of TCG, they might have to pay royalties to WotC, as WotC owns Patents to TCG mechanics. A straight card game they could do if it includes all the cards. A collectable card game, however, is another matter.
Nope, it will be a trading card game. There is alot they have yet to have released here in North America and Europe. They are already releasing a new ADV set in April. So yes they will be paying royalties to Wizards. But that isnt such a big deal, its not even the issue at hand.
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posted March 15, 2003 08:42 AM
You're right, it's not the issue. I really wasn't trying to derail things here. (I saw the post on how it's ironic Nintendo started with making cards... That's what got me thinking. )
What I had intended (But was planning on editing in later) to say was that if you guys want Nintendo to do tournaments and such, I suggest writing letters. Email is no good, as there are programs that can spawn and spam email boxes, and they'd think they were under a spam attack. Actual letter writing gets better results.
Keep any letters you write polite and to the point. Judging from all the posts I've seen in this thread, that's not going to be a problem.
I'll be quiet now.
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posted March 15, 2003 12:16 PM
"It's important that the game is still alive. Just be glad it's not like when Decipher lost Star Wars, and that ultimately killed it right there."
Uhm...Nick...if Nintendo starts producing the game, that might very well happen. X_x
In my mind, there are two possibilities for Nintendo and the Pokémon TCG.
Possibility One - Best Case Scenario:
So, okay. Nintendo now has both the video games AND the trading card game. What a better reason to start having intregrated tournaments? I mean, think about it - by having TCG/GB tournies, you turn GB players onto the TCG and vice versa, making more cash for Nintendo. Plus, a little entrance fee like the one for the Prof. drafts would be, imo, widely accepted if the tournaments were up to par. Can you just see it? Pokémon video games and the TCG...enough Pokémaniacs in one place to wage a small-scale war...*drool*... ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
Or... ![[Bored]](../tcg/graemlins/dozey.gif)
Possibility Two - Worst Case Scenario:
Nintendo simply prints the cards without regard to broken-ness or any other rules problems. Yay? ![[Dubious]](../tcg/graemlins/dubious.gif)
Which do I think will happen? Realistically, number two...but that means that maybe they'll remember why they had WotC doing it in the first place, and give it back to them next License Renewal...or sooner, depending on how much they suck. ;x
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posted March 15, 2003 12:26 PM
I have been with this game since the very beginning, as many of you have and indeed it is sad to see wizards go. Nintendo will never be able to do what wizards has done for the game, but we can all hope they do some sort of OP. For me this game has been virtually dead where i live for 2 and a half years now, but i never quit because i love the game, and that is what keeps me going. Right now we need to stick together we have been through a lot before and survived so we need to convince nintendo that this game has supporters, people who want to play, and people who are willing to help. And thank WOTC for some of the best 5 years of your life, and remember this game won't die if there are still people playing and people who love the game. I'd love to make it to Origins to say farewell to WOTC, but it doesn't seem feasible for me, so if i dont see ya guys thanx for all the STS's, Worlds, Qts, challenges, SBZs and everything else you have done for the game of Pokemon. There is one thing Nintendo/TPC whoever cant take away from us, and that is the GREAT memories we have had.
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posted March 15, 2003 02:25 PM
Anyone seen this on the Pokemon.com site before?
http://www.pokemon.com/tradingcard/basics.asp
It's TCG basics info...didn't they use to make you link over to Wizards.com for that?
It looks like they're on the ball with this; I'm feeling a bit better, after seeing this onsite so quickly...
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posted March 15, 2003 03:32 PM
Whoa. Big, big news. I just decided to have a brief glance at the Random Topic Centre before logging off for the night, but that led me here. Big news, alright.
I got out of the game over two years ago but I've tried to keep up with events and defend it whenever it was being trounced by other players. That it's end is nigh is a real shame. It was my first TCG, and the reason for my current hopeless Magic obsession. I will be really sorry to see this one go.
The Wizards Pokemon game will be looked back upon as fondly as the first Magic sets are today. Pokemon was The Original mass-market game. It was responsible for the emergence of TCGs into mainstream culture. Magic never managed that. People playing Yu-Gi-Oh! five years down the line will look back and say, "I played Pokemon while it was going." Aside from affecting the current players, the cancellation of this game is a monumental event.
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posted March 15, 2003 03:49 PM
Just so everyone understands, The Pokemon TCG is in a TRANSITIONAL state right now, MORE sets will be released with WotC and then with the new company whom ever that may be.
So, this is just a "NEW BEGINNING" for the TCG, not the END.
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posted March 15, 2003 03:54 PM
I don't think TPC even gave WoTC a chance to bid for the rights. Everybody is comparing pokemon sales to the early days, the fad days. First of all, pokemon is not the fad these days, but it is still selling! In fact, it is one of the best selling card games today. only magic and yu gi oh is out selling it, and yu gi oh won't for long. Yu gi oh is nothing like pokemon was in the early days. At the mall tour, you know what you get for winning? Nothing, not even 1 lousy pack. And their prize support for the tournys is a joke! Pokemon is still not even close to being dead, and TPC knows it. But will they do something positive with it, who knows. I will keep playing and a wary eye to see what they will do, but I don't think they will invest too much into it. As far as loyalty to WoTC, I have met, played against, joked with, and talked about gaming and pokemon with DMTM, and MTM, I know for a fact these guys loved the game and the fans. I watched as they gave away tons of product, had late nite booster drafts ( for free) after a looong day, watched DMTM play everyone he could at worlds, and then play a pretty mean game at the prof. challenge at nite. If nintendo is smart, they would throw boatloads of money to get these guys on board. I bet if you added the hours they put in and the money they make, they would be making below mim. wage. If nintendo doesn't get someone really good to head the pokemon game, it will die, it's as simple as that. Will you go to a tourny 200 miles away with no prize suppout? Even putting up our own prize money will only go so far, and it won't attract new players. I just don't think nintendo will put the commitment we have seen from the MT's. So thanks Mike, and you too Mike. And thanks to Chao for making me a world champ!
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posted March 15, 2003 04:00 PM
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I don't think TPC even gave WoTC a chance to bid for the rights.
No, WotC certainly had its chance. It said so in the news article. WotC may be under legal obligation to be vague about its business deals, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't blatantly lie.
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