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PsycoDad
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posted January 23, 2003 03:02 PM
That's correct, I am not going. Maybe I am not informed but here is why I am not planning on attending. First is format. It's unlimited! Why unlimited??? Wizards just released a new set and rotated slowking out. Sure boost nrg will change unlimited some but the old cards are hard for young/new players to get. Isn't that why LC was released?? The new modified format is cool. What better place to see what the new hot decks are, but no, we get another day of:
1) sneasal slowking
2) chancy/ditto/c double colorless, etc..
3) rocket zappy
4) SER, er, oak, gust,plus power ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif)
The second reason is only two age groups. What about ten and under?? My six year old will get crushed by most savvy 14 yr old unlimited players due to his lack of experience in the format. Unlimited format does not see any play at the tournies in my area.
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posted January 23, 2003 03:06 PM
I agree so much! I hate it, but DMTM just said he was informed it was MF, so.....If it is unlimited, I'm not playing in it
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posted January 23, 2003 03:41 PM
No offense, but why is everybody constantly dissing unlimited? Like I said in another post, mainly bad players will complain about the decision.
Most of you haven't even played unlimited in about a year, you don't know what the top decks really are.
Rockets Zapdos? Ditto? Plus Power? Those aren't even cards anymore. Rockets Zapdos is terrible.
The best decks in Standard are Evolutions. Steelix and Typhlosion to name a couple. Sure Sneasel is a good card, but has the word metagame taught you people anything?
Another reason why it's Unlimited is because some TO's might not even know how to play Pokemon. This was VERY common in the GC series. By allowing the unlimited format, all they have to do for deck checks is check to make sure you dont use more than 4 of any card.
Stop complaining, kthx. Wizards made a good call here.
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posted January 23, 2003 03:48 PM
Okay really the decision suprised me and kinda made me upset but really, i dont care. If you attended the multi format tournament i held a couple of months ago im sure some of you noticed its not hard to be comfortable in every format. I had not played Unlimited in over a year before that tournament and i ended up having the best record in that section of the tournament.
Now everyone complains about S.E.R. but the main reason i always played slowking in Unlimited was to stop that problem. You could easily do the same.
I really dont like the unlimited format but maybe this is because i never play it, but i dont mind attending a fairly large scale tournament that is unlimited to find out how skilled i actually am at this game.
As for the age groups, yeah i really dont like that either. My 9 year old brother will probably also do terrible for the fact that 14- players in Michigan are some of the best in the world and that he has probably played unlimited a total of 10 times in a tournament position.
Really i see no problem with unlimited coming back everyonce in a while. I just wish i hadnt been playtesting all types of Modified decks the last few weeks to prepare=/
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posted January 23, 2003 04:31 PM
WotC PLEASE me
NO WotC PLEASE ME over here..
EVEN I am guilty because I WANT a BX close to home.
IF NOT, My bro WILL BE DRIVEN to Las Vegas to join SKywolf (3 hrs away YET I have driven 6 hrs to an event before so 3 is nothing)
I am with MARTINM on this one (miracle)
I LUV Unlimited.
Is it frustrating to lose 1st turn? Heck yeah, well RUN at least 12 pokemon and 4 CLEFFA (to deter some LASSES 1st turn)
Modifies is fine BUT unlimited also has its uses.
AND IF WE SPREAD the word about SBZ, then NO ONE CAN BE TURNED away for NOT having a MODIFIED DECK.
JUST ask anyone who was at the 2nd ECSTS and ASK WHY it took SO LONG to begin the tourney in the 10 and under and 11-14 age group...
AGAIN I ask, "WHAT IS MODIFIED????"
*TO each his/her own... TO me: THANKS WotC... purretty puhleeeese in LA/OC area??? ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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posted January 23, 2003 04:48 PM
You know,as much as I respect everyone on these boards,sometimes it amazes me how selfish we can get sometimes(myself included).Sometimes,we just get so spoiled,that we act in a wrong way without even knowing it.
Everyone,you are being given a chance to go and have fun!Who cares if it is Modified or Unlimited?Maybe a chosen format is not your choice to play,but be happy we are being given this chance to play it at all!Go and have fun.Maybe you`ll do good,maybe you won`t.But the bottom line is to have fun with this game.After all,we all wouldn`t be posting here if we didn`t share a love for it!
And now the opportunity is now being given to us finally.
Yes,maybe we`ll have to drive a few hours.Damn straight I will if I have to.I won`t be missing out on this!Finally getting some kind of Tournament sponsored by Wotc is something we should all be happy about.I mean,we live for this!C`mon everyone!Let`s go have some fun!!!!
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posted January 23, 2003 05:00 PM
Not going because you don't like the format? Big fricken deal. I swear, I would go if I could. My only reason for not going is that I don't have transportation.
But then again, I guess it could be easy to get spoiled on Modified when you have people to play against...
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posted January 23, 2003 05:02 PM
Good Point Sensei.
Im serious ok I'm not to pleased with it being Unlimited but seriously I'll go along with it since heck its a bigger tourney thing. People keep on dissing that SBZ is unlimited( and yeah all those broken cards scare me), but meh a tourney is a tourney, plus (I hope atleast) the Wizards knows what they are doing, give it a chance (^_^)
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posted January 23, 2003 05:34 PM
Martin Moreno
Were you at worlds? Did unlimited change that much since then? The decks I listed were some of the ones that did well there. And was your "mainly bad players" comment called for?
Pokesensi, If you want your youngest family player to enjoy the game your selfish? I can play unlimited, but the reason I go to these is more for my kids. They don't play unlimited. Simple as that. If that makes me selfish, then I am!
IPGeek, your deck comment makes alot of sense. Everytime I have deck checked more then a few of the decks were standard.
Yes, I am glad WoTC is running tournies. It is good news. I just wish I could share it with my boys.
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posted January 23, 2003 05:41 PM
Definitley well put IPGeek.
Really, the format should not keep you from attending even if you decide not to play in the main event. But the format should not even keep you from playing in the main tournament. If it were Modified how many kids would come in and be unable to play because they dont know what modified is A LOT. Moss put this really well to me earlier, A LOT of people could not play at the ECSTS cause they didnt know about the format, NOW ANyone can come in and play as long as they know the rules.
I definitley plan on driving and hour in a half to play in a tournament, with a format i have not played consistantly in over a year.
Everyone says oh WELL unlimited isnt fun, MOdified is yeah okay Modified is fun but really you dislike being superenergy removaled have you ever came up against a Steelix w/ 4 metal and 2 kingdras on the bench=/
Im definitley with Marty on this one unlimited was the best choice even if it does not satisfy a lot of the player base.
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posted January 23, 2003 05:50 PM
regular league and battlezone is unlimited. I've only found one person who ever played a sneasel slowking deck in tourney. From what i've observed, most of the people i know look for new ways of winning, getting away from those overpowered cards and looking for the "spirit of consciencious winning" by escaping the unfair trainermon/haymaker/broken decks.
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posted January 23, 2003 05:54 PM
P`Dad:No,you are not being selfish for wanting your kids to have fun but at least take them to the tourney anyway,Unlimited or Modified.Most 6 year olds will get crushed,no matter what format they play.Also,even though they aren`t used to it,by giving them the opportunity to see more cards,the better they will become.There will always be an Unlimited format.Let them experience it all.
One other thing,your post did sound as if you were complaining for yourself about the format.My apologies if I took it the wrong way.
Martin:You have been warned many a time about this.While it`s ok to have your own opinion,it`s not ok to post in bad taste.
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posted January 23, 2003 06:03 PM
PsychoDad, why don't you teach your kids how to play Unlimited? Just sit them down with a couple of Unlimited decks so they get a feel for the format, then discuss the kinds of decks they may face in a tournament and how to handle them. There's still three weeks to SBZ, that should be plenty of time, don't you think?
Folks I'm not too hot on the idea of Unlimited either, especially since I haven't played it in about a year. But instead of complaining about it, I'd rather go figure out what my deck is gonna be and start playtesting. ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif) Like I said before, we DO have three weeks to prepare for this thing.
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posted January 23, 2003 06:08 PM
P'sensi
After re-reading my first post, I can see how you came to that conclusion. I do like modified more than unlimited mainly because that's what we play here in Michigan. My youngest has not played much since worlds. He is just getting back into the swing of modified. If I take him to this and he get's crushed, he'll quit Pokemon forever. He'll just play that other game where he can beat adults. With both kids declining to go to the tourney, I will have a hard time selling this one to the significant other.
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posted January 23, 2003 06:33 PM
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the format, the location, all i can say is thank you wizards.
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posted January 23, 2003 06:45 PM
The typed word,it`s so easily misconstrued. ![[Black Mana]](../tcg/graemlins/black_mana.gif)
Don`t forget,as Raikou pointed out,DMTM said at the chat that the SBZ format may be changed to Modified.We`ll have to wait for MTM to get back from SD to find out for sure(unless Linda from DCI would know).So,we may be playing Modified after all.Hopefully,your kids will want to play either way. ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
And those dratted significant others...can`t live with `em and you can`t live without `em..
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posted January 23, 2003 07:18 PM
ughhh...I hate it when people say they wont go to a super bz for some petty reason like, "Awww, we have to play unlimited" or, "Why won't they let the 10- have a division of their own?"
There's only a handful of us at my league, so we'd NEVER see something as cool as SBZ, and it just sickens me that people actually WILL NOT go because of "format"! ![[Mad]](../tcg/mad.gif)
Try to just go and have fun! To see people go, have fun, and NOT COMPLAIN about the meager problems in SBZ is alone enough happiness for me.
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posted January 23, 2003 07:25 PM
Whoa. People. There are MORE cards in unlimited. More VARIATIONS. More different decks. USE YOUR IMAGINATION. I don't care about ditto. I'll beat it. I gurentee you that my decks will be like nothing you have ever seen. That's talent. That's being a great player. I hope everyone plays those four types of decks that were listed in the first post. I hope they do, becasue I'll know what's coming.
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posted January 23, 2003 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Martin Moreno:
No offense, but why is everybody constantly dissing unlimited? Like I said in another post, mainly bad players will complain about the decision.
So where were these decks at Worlds Martin? It ain't been that long ago and I refuse to believe that the metagame has transformed in the few short months since. Why? Because if the metagame was influenced by new cards coming out then they would be the ones you reference and they are not - these are cards up to Neo genesis at best. What did we see at Worlds? Sniggly Weasel, Steel Chancey, classic hays - all with liberal doses of SlowKing. Look at CotC on Pojo - if it's an evolution it's described as SER bait and dissed immediately for unlimited.
Anyway - prefixing your comment with "no offense" does not change the fact that it is in fact offensive to people who might just like modified rather than unlimited - it's called preference and everyone is entitled to have it without being slammed as a "bad player".
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posted January 23, 2003 08:00 PM
I have been reading these replies and comments about the SBZ's being unlimited and can see a lot of reasons both sides of the issue would be upset with the format.
On one side, Modified is what takes us to the big events and is what is used in Worlds, so you figure WotC would have a tournament using that format. Most, but not all places play modified and the main people that will go to the tournament are use to modified.
However, I saw posts that complain about the Super Energy Removals and Energy removals. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't ecogym help that problem? Sneasel isn't that tough if you have a couple of those Super Energy Removals in your hand. Kinda hard to play Sneasel if all your rainbow and Darkness energies are in the discard pile.
I think too many people were ready to slam the format without trying it. Sure it may not be what we prefer, but yet, at least we don't have to wait until late March to get together again
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posted January 23, 2003 09:44 PM
Pokemon is most interesting and most challenging when there is variety. The Gym Challenges are likely to be Neo Modified. I think it's cool that the SBZ will be unlimited.
Anyone who played in the Professor tourney at Worlds had an opportunity to see how interesting unlimited can be. IMHO, the better players do well regardless of the format.
At our local club in Binghamton, unlimited is the usual format. Only a few players have Neo Modified decks. I am planning to encourage players to travel 75 miles to Syracuse. I anticipated that I would first have to help each of them build a Neo Modified deck--and many would not have the resources or the inclination to do so. It sure makes things easier that Wizard chose the format that remains popular among club players.
Also, IMHO, the SBZ is set up to be for club players. So, why shouldn't it be unlimited?
Great decision Wizards!
Bring on the Slowkings, the Sneasels, the Rocket Zapdoses, the Dittos and all the other cards that cannot be played at Modified tournaments.
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posted January 23, 2003 09:57 PM
I don't want to sound offensive but...
Before SBZ, all I heard were people whining about "Whaddabout 15+?? Whatddabout 15+??" Now that SBZ is around and we have out 15+ focus, too many people are talking about "Whaddabout 10-?? Whaddabout 10-??" AAARGH!! Make up your minds, John Q. Public!!
And IP? I feel you buddy. Hey Wizards, how about a SBZ in the San Francisco Bay Area rather than [rolls eyes] Sacremento. Ppppfffttt...
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posted January 24, 2003 12:39 AM
NIck15,
I KNOW NUTHIN'
BUT I am almost sure that the BAY area will get theirs... You know the place: ONE QT and another Gym Challenge... ALMOST positive BECAUSE they hold MANY DCI events AND CAN easily accomodate 50players... THEY'LL be one in mountain view...
BUT then again I KNOW NUTHIN'
I wonder who said that before
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posted January 24, 2003 02:02 AM
Woah,
Way more posts than I ever imagined. I figured 1 or 2 at most. Thats why I like this game, people care. Well lets see, lots of good discussion. I'll address some:
Nick
your comment
"Before SBZ, all I heard were people whining about "Whaddabout 15+?? Whatddabout 15+??" Now that SBZ is around and we have out 15+ focus, too many people are talking about "Whaddabout 10-?? Whaddabout 10-??" AAARGH!! Make up your minds, John Q. Public!!" shows that the game HAS gotten new players and many of the original players still play, thats why there is a split here.
Farbsman
As far as eco gym and slowking, I played 4 of each along with a metagamed light golduck at worlds. It worked OK except against muk and r zappy. The eco gym was taken away in every game by a chaos gym or some other "metagamed" stadium which allows SER. And even with the gym, SER takes 2 nrg's and cost you a turn or 2.
Hey AJ
Frankly, king is no gaurentee that you will not see SER. I saw igglie and muk in EVERY non slowking deck I played at worlds. The fact that you and your brother are going might be enough to get Dave to go.
Dugtrio
I will ask my local TO's if we can run standard for the next couple of weeks. Between school, sports, and other games the weeks are filled. My 10 yr old can play unlimited but iis rusty. Noo way in 3 weeks will my youngest learn enough to be competitivve iin unlimited. And like I mentioned before, he is on the fence on wether he will play again.
Pokesensi
Well stated.
Part of my issue, aside from my first posts, is I do not know if there are going to be any modified tournies or is SBZ replacing all the GC's, and SC's from last year or is this the 15+ circuit. Like I said, maybe I'm not informed. I don't work for wizards and I am sure they have data to make a decision like this. A roll out of the future vision for Pokemon would really help keep this type of discussion to a minimum. If unlimited is going to part of it, that's fine. If were gonna draft, thhats cool too. I know this is a tough to do but let us know so we can prepare.
In closing, I apologize if this post upsets you. That was not my intent. But many of you are friends of mine and if I can't vent to you, then who can I vent to? Co workers, my parents, my brothers? NOT! They won't get it.
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posted January 24, 2003 04:54 AM
After reading all of the above, and sleeping on this situation, I think I know why many, including me, have overreacted.
As Psycodad says, it's about information and communication.
Had WotC announced that the format would be Unlimited, and given their reasoning for that (which I am sure is good reasoning!), then we would have felt we mattered more.
As professors, we have been under the impression that we would be (somewhat) 'in the loop.' We were told that we would be somewhat involved with the game's development and direction. We were told that our mailing list would give us timely information.
Now, I do realize how incredibly overworked MTM is. This is not his fault. Also, company policies on dispensing information were tightened by unauthorized releases. When players come upon information relevant to this game, we share it. This is because we share a love for the game. Some of the information 'leaked' may have been totally wrong, or it may have been dead-on. Only time will tell.
I plan to drive to somewhere that has a Super BattleZone, and I plan to have a great time there playing, or judging if needed. In the greater scheme of things, the format for the day is a very small issue, of no importance really.
All the way to SBZ, I'll be banging my head on the steering wheel, not because I have to drive far or play Unlimited, but out of frustration that this game means so much to me , yet I have NO idea where it's going.
It is hard to sustain enthusiasm in a vaccuum. I manage to do it, but many of my BZ players (64 counting both locations) are wavering. Most play other games, are in sports, 4H club, scouts, etc. They have conflicts on weekends, and inevitably must choose one activity over another.
At this point, all I can tell my players is "wait and see..."
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