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G0nz0
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posted May 04, 2002 02:54 PM
Glad to hear ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif)
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posted May 04, 2002 03:05 PM
Well, neither Potion or Full Heal Energies really helped... And not EVERYTHING depends on DCE. Chansey does though... Wizards would make a HUGE mistake by re-releasing Chansey... But if they did, I'd be really happy ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif) But, Modified Modified Metal Chansey would be almost hilarious, as it probably would be unbeatable...
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posted May 04, 2002 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by yoshi1001:
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Originally posted by Pikachu89:
Originally posted by DMTM
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Oops! I just realized I made a mistake. When I said there was no Energy in the set.
I should have said that there was no Basic Energy in the set.
So, now all of my hopes and dreams have not been dashed! There still is a chance that we might see the return of DCE! ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif)
Yes, and according to the Wisconsin Lottery, I have a chance to win Powerball.
Top 10 reasons DCE is not being rereleased:
10. It's broken.
9. The MTs said so.
8. Gligar.
7. Hays are boring.
6. As a child, MTM was nearly eaten by a DCE.
5. Erika's Jigglypuff.
4. In theory, the card was fair-but then that's what they said about figure skating.
3. Just to annoy you. ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
2. Did I mention it's broken?
1. I said so. ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
Gotta love Letterman ;\
And Baboon, FHE really pulled us through the Dark Gengar scare. If it's reprinted, Dark Gengar : MMF :: Dark Gengar : Modified (not very good)
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posted May 04, 2002 03:23 PM
Im sorry, DCE is FAR from broken. Its good. No where even freakin close to broken. it was good due to all of the great pokemon in unlimited that can use it. Now it is no where near as good. So heres how to look at it.
Bring back DCE and make anything colorless at least slightly playable ( i mean, they have extra energy costs since it is generic and all , plus unown N and sprout tower. ) they need something. nothing will become broken in the process ( gligar will still not see any if very little play. sorry. )
dont bring back DCE, lose MANY extra cards that now become playable, and watch as a whole type becomes worse than useless. anyone feel like naming a colorless pokemon that is worth playing without DCE? even smeargle sucks with rk9 gone.
Now to the SER arguement. I dont expect it to be back. I mean, we couldnt have a balanced format after all =/ You people have to look at it this way...
ONLY EVOS WINNING IS THE SAME FREAKING THING AS ONLY BASICS WINNING!!!!!!
its still one third of the types of cards that can be used. Forcing players to run a big evolution is just as bad as making it so only basics could be played ( which is utterly untrue if anyone actually tried to make a good unlimited evo deck. it works )
I understand everyone has hard feelings towards the basics that have beaten you time an dtime again, but basics are pokemon too, as are pokemon that dont deal over 80 damage. Sure, we get evolutions that rule the game. But we see less viable pokemon than we did in standard. We have in MF,,, ( ill use rocket on for example here )
gatr
kingdra
crobat
typhlosion
slowking
steelix
rk9
dark gengar
erikas victreebel
dark muk
( now we get to those who are at least decent )
gio machamp
sab. kazam
dk crobat
and i believe i am missing a few. now we look at unlimited.
hitmonchan
electabuzz
scyther
gligar
fable
wiggly
muk
tyrogue
sneasel
slowking
dk vileplume ( less so than before, but still )
ditto
chansey
steelix
tr zappy
erikas puff
rk9 ( steel k9 )
brocks ninetales
murkrow
fossil magmar
typhlosion
blaines rk9 ( with t phlo )
moltres ( moltres stall is back )
and i can go further a bit i bet too. than both sides have the babies and stuff too. im sorry, but standard has many more playable cards.
Back to what i was saying as well. How can you claim evos dominating is any better than basics dominating? You simply cant. Unless we get a format where stage 1s, basics and stage 2s can work, we are so far off from an even decent format its sick. The whole high damage with stage 2s HAS TO STOP. How can you stop it? one of two ways
1.) you can cycle out all the guys who have attacks like that ( unfortunate, but this appears to be wotc's solution =/ )
2.) allow something that can punish pokemon that have such high energy costs. allowing cards to be built freely is what allows cards like this to dominate.
SER is the only way to do that. Lets look at what would happen if we added SER to play...
big evo decks would appear to die off you claim, and hays replace them. i beg to differ. You get 4 SERs max with no finders and no trash exchange. can you really think that a haymaker can keep a deck on the defensive like that forever? eventually they do run out and the big evo hits anyways, and rips the hay apart. And what if they win before that happens? its a new format people. Simply change your mind from going for one evo only and play GASP support pokemon!!!! examples...
electric could run buzz or zappy if allowed, supporting a big evo to come out while allowing u to fight while SER keeps stuff in check.
Fighting can use hitmonchan and gligar while u try to build a dark t tar or machamp etc
psychic can use MP mewtwo and stuff while building up a big hitter or using alakazam
fire can use typhlosions and magmars
grass can use scyther and status pokes while building up an evo
this is assuming we would get a few new pokemon back of course. see, we get evos and basics working together. That is what we must work for. SER may seem like it kills evos.... but with only 4 total, and some may be prized and all, and less draw to get them, its highly viable to see an evo core with multiple support with low costs to fight. Is that not how the game should be played? You are only half right when you claim evos are a big part of the game. But so are basics. There is so much depth to this game its not even funny. but neither standad nor either MF is helping either it seems. Unless we have something that can slow down a 3-4 energy OHKOing monster, nothing will ever change. NEVER. we must add cards that can disrupt decks. Eventually you will understand.
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posted May 04, 2002 06:03 PM
People like to see diversity in decks. If SER comes back, there will be 4 in every deck...no questions asked. Unlimited was bad, because there was already a block of trainers you HAD to play to be competetive:
4 Comp
4 IF
4 Oak
4 SER
3 Lass
4 GoW
4 GB
2 NGR
And at least 3 gyms.
It's like a huge chunk of your deck was already built.
Modified was getting to that point:
4 Elm
4 Wrath
4 DGoW
4 Focus Band
2 NGR
At least 3 Gyms
SER would be another one of those trainers which every deck would "have to" include four of. The less of those types of cards we have, the more space we have for originality.
And it doesn't matter which format you're playing, originality is more fun...which is what keeps people playing the game in the first place.
DCE isn't that broken, but will make kingdra, tyranitar, charizard, smeargle,lugia,dark ampharos, and all the colorless pokes very strong.
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posted May 04, 2002 09:22 PM
From that analogy, I am presuming SER will not be in LC. Like someone else said (I forget whom), SER sets games back, and with 30 minute rounds, there might be too many timed wins, and we all hate those.
Also, I think adding Boss's Way was a great idea. It really does help the search cards. In a dark evo deck, this is a must.
The story unfolds...
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posted May 04, 2002 11:00 PM
well so maybe I quit days before gym was released, but I didn't have 4 of ANY of those trainers you mentioned...
and I didn't get whooped up either, I held my own..
and I guarantee I wouldn't use "hafta haves" anyway, i mean seriously, if you do that you're a robot... play what you want to play as long as you can stand a chance...
every deck CAN stand a chance, with the right player behind it... if not, this game is trash.
and, it's not trash, so my point has been made.
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posted May 05, 2002 01:47 AM
ivysaur doesn't have to be reprinted for venusaur to be playable since there is the one in southern islands but it probably will be reprinted. about cards that you have to have to win or cards that are broken, I saw this happening alot at the league where I am GL so I made a pact with myself, never play the dominent cards. I would look at what was in almost every deck then I would make a deck to beat it. people use to use sneasel alot so I made the deck that I am currently using for grass season venasaur/meganium. I have high HP and get my energy faster so I can do 60 for the KO and kiss sneasel goodbye, this takes care of gatr too. the deck isn't modified but with the introduction of LC it might become MMF. I have been considering making something with dark houndour in it so that I could plunder the reign of tools like gold berry and focus band but I am yet to do that since I am playing decks to match the seasons. I don't like seeing cards like gold berry being so popular, it's an uncommon that is harder to get than base charizard (maybe a bad example but you get the general idea). I'm kind of going of subject though. ok... machoke is likely to be in LC but not a definent since there isn't one in the current modified. [goes slightly off subject again but is refering to something in this message] does anyone else find it annoying when people have quotes within quotes within quotes?
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posted May 05, 2002 11:32 AM
Just a question.
Is the reverse holo Charizard going to be the Japanese Neo 2 Promo from that set or not?
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posted May 05, 2002 12:03 PM
J-Rock, the reverse holo charizard will be base set! It will look very sweet IMO!
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posted May 05, 2002 12:19 PM
Thats Why im Buying At least one Box
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posted May 05, 2002 05:30 PM
THANK YOU. Someone else agrees with me that Double Colorless won't hurt New Modified...
Honestly, it would only help Kingdra, Steelix, and the few people who use Chansey/Blissey. I don't see anything else that can use it as of now.
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posted May 05, 2002 06:06 PM
Rockets Sandshrew- yes, variety is good, but DROPPING 3, soon to be 6 sets, isnt gonna aid that at all. And their are a few reasons why their are less trainers required in MF
the trainers are inferior.
there are less trainers overall printed
the forcing to play at least one or more large evo string reduces decksize that can fit trainers. You require alot of slots for evos and energy, so playing as many " required trainers " simply isnt feasable. So claiming that it increases diversity in decks, it doesnt really do that, as less free spaces are available. If possible I would run ALL of these in MF decks...
4 focus band
4 gold berry
3 gyms
4 elm
4 wrath
3 NGR
4 Erika
4 IOR
4 RSA
4 Double Gust
3 Sabrinas Gaze
but obviously we cant fit all of those due to deck size constraint. So sure, we play less " set " trainers, but we would play just as many if not more if we werent given less free space.
Veristitlity in MF is just as bad as it is in Unlimited. There really is no arguing that. Look at the archtypes in each... aka the only decks that win and are used by most
Gatr
Crobat
Entei Cargo
Dark Muk
Big Fire
doubt im missing anything big there. Yeah there are a few others, but im naming the big ones
standard
sneasel slowking
steelix slowking
steel chansey ( with or without slowking )
sneaselmaker ( pichu, electric anything else )
big fire ( typhlosion )
wigglytuff ( really good now with recycle energy (
Fable Muk
ive already listed more archtypes that can win right there. and most of them are much more complicated match ups than we see in MF.
so how is MF having more variety at all?
* we have less cards legal
* less room to play multiple types at all. We are basically required to focus on ONE card in our decks, our main evo, and we have no supports being used. Variety? i dare you to explain how.
* NO room for any change in the archtypes. We have set lists for what to use in Gatr, Big Fire, entei cargo bat and everything. There is no variation at all.
* more energy required means less cards are allowed in decks besides them, and with the 20ish required trainers, plus 3 cleffa and 2-3 other babies ( magby, pichu tyrogue etc ) plus 8-12 cards for your evo, that allows very little space, and almost NO variation. MUCH less than unlimited.
i could probably name more reasons on that one. restricting available cards is not adding variety at all.
Plus, look at all the games. They all play out the same. And its VERY stale. its all focused on one thing.
GET OUT YOUR EVO FIRST AND DONT LET THEM GET ONE
wow. so fun =/ and dont say thats not all MF is. And this makes it so flippy. Whoever goes first basically wins that goal. Going first may not lead to FTKs like in umlimited, but leads to a hUGe advantage EVERY game, not only the games where you get only 1 basic. Than focus bands decidethe game as well.
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So not only do we get less cards, less archtypes, less open space, we also get more flips and stale gameplay that is the same EVERY game. and people WANT this?
I see no one will understand this so lets get this back to the original topic LC. If you people keep up the arguement, ill reply, but if someone realy wants to argue, start a new thread. Or IM me about it. My IM is Jvcbt.
And yes, DCE wouldnt hurt the format. And helping kingdra a tad bit is good to keep the very powerful fire in check too.
as for SER, you really have to think about it for a LONG time. I know that me and Occult Mastermind had some long conversations about SER being the solution to MF and its staleness and restrictiveness, and he was the one who changed me view in the first time and we both agree SER would salvage this pit we have dragged our deck selection and game play into. It is a radical change that I am 99.9% sure wont happen, but oh well. It would work. It would fix the game. I encourage the MTs to playtest with it for awhile in their freetime. I promise it will be VERY promising.
Next, back to LC- DMTM, isnt it about time to confirm what I have been awaiting you to say ever since we found out it was reprints? You know, the REPRINTING OF BASE SET POLIWRATH. MWAHAHAHAHAHAH
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posted May 05, 2002 06:29 PM
DCE isn't broken in Modified if any form of non-flip-required Removal is brought back.
Wigglytuff wouldn't be so bad without all the support Trainers, either. Recycles aren't even as broken anymore--the only reason people don't run Pokemon Tower in Standard is because their Item Finders wouldn't work.
Drop Pokemon Tower and SER the two Recycles off of the Wigglytuff.
Not that I advocate mass removal...like a certain someone at a certain League...
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What, like the pro-archetype attitude is supposed to be restricted to THIS company, and THIS TCG?
All card games run on archetypes. Magic is 90% archetypes. YGO is 90% archetypes. Pokemon was, for the most part, all archetypes before and during MF2. Pokemon will be archetype-based during MF3. Pokemon will be archetype based when it is under Nintendo.
Viva la unoriginality!
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posted May 05, 2002 06:39 PM
T-tar...when will you learn...less is more. Oh, but you will never be convinced-I can tell that. But let's play a little game. How many Pokémon are neither evolutions nor do they evolve (for the purposes of calculation, we'll say basics evolved from babies are part of this group if they don't evolve themselves)? 49 (if I was off, by one or two, I'm sorry). Under 20%. Now, if one or the other is to dominate, which shall it be? That which represents a tiny fraction of Pokémon specie or that which represents the vast majority of Pokémon?
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posted May 05, 2002 07:10 PM
ahhhh young yoshi. u take my words too literally. that is not what i meant at all. i claimed that evos only winning is just as bad as basics only winning. you seem to forget i dont claim ALL evos are winning. we have just as many evos winning as we had different basics. u claim that 80% of pokes involve evo...lets look at how many are even close to viable under MF. Better yet, lets look at those that simply will NEVER see play under this sort of format. better yet yoshi, IM me and ill counter your arguement so I dont have to post 95% of all evos. u claim that ALL styles of evos can win. THEY CANT. only those with monstrous HP and damage win, and they also need type advantage, so 95+% of evos are not even viable. The style of decks and EXTREME restrictions that it brings under MF MUST be stopped. You argue which has more " variety " I dont give a crap which has more variety. That is not the issue. Neither format is working. We have less viable decks in MF than we did in standard, and this is when we make a massive effort to fix things! with effort and changes, id expect an improvement, NOT going backwards! You cannot argue the overall opinion that MF is vastly stale. MMF will change everything and make everything unstale...for such a small time its sick. We are getting less actual real progress by this than if we stuck with Unlimited. I am sure that the MTs have some form of ultimate fix beyond just rotating sets out. I honestly pray that this is true. Now i think i have covered the whole which has more variety issue well enough. Do not look at the overall amount of pokemon that exist. yes, evos are more plentiful. This doesnt matter when only about 10 are the type that fit the style of play needed to compete in MF! and now with no disrution in MMF so far, we see even more of a slugfest with little strategy what so ever. I also would like to point out I have had ALOT of success with MF and formats, so this is not coming out of hatred for the fact that i cannot suceed under MF. I do so very well actually. I do not see this whole Type 2 thing working. Not when the people behind the sets are not caring AT ALL about our little formats. Yes, WOtc has the ability to make new sets. I DOUBT greatly that all of our sets will be from them. Thus a format that works in MTG ( I do not like this game, i will say so now. I played it for 4-5 years HEAVILY before quitting for better games ) will not work in Pokemon because unlike in MTG, wotc cant control the sets to make it work. As big of a consumer trap as it is, in this case , unless wotc has 100% control over what they print, it wont matter. It will not help the game. It will keep the game alive longer via profit, but the game itself will suffer. I can already see this comment " but the profit will help the game itself " or something like that. When I say the game, i mean what we are playing, not the sales, and future of the game. It doesnt matter the future of a game if the game is no longer fun.
We cannot survive on rotation. WotC must find a final solution. Otherwise, decks like Gatr, and Crobat and Entei Magcargo will pop up each time. We dont want new staleness. Thats all formats give us. We want something that wont need to be changed every 6 months because it keeps getting us right back where we started.
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posted May 05, 2002 07:41 PM
T-Tar, I really can't go on with this much further, as this is supposed to be a topic on legendary collection, not how WotC handles formats. Second, I did not make an arguement on many of the points you stated in your post. All I said is there are more Pokémon in evo lines than there are solos out there. I did not say anything about which ones were viable and which ones were not (however, it bears telling that not all basics without evolutions are playable, either). Quite frankly, playable is too vague a word to be debated. It can't be quantified, it can't be measured, and it's completely subjective. I'm curious, though-how much do you expect your list of what's viable in unlimited to change? I doubt it will change much. Sounds pretty stale to me.
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posted May 05, 2002 07:55 PM
i dont remember telling someone to switch this to another thread a few posts back do i? oh yeah...i do. next, if you claim why did i bring up evos and basics based on viability? thats what i addressed the whole time! not which their are more of in existance. now lets drop this on this thread NOW. IM me already if u wanna debate this, but i dont see much debate in it left on your side.
and as for the last arguement- i see unlimited moving much more than MF will so far, seein NOTHING can dethrown gatr. and it seems to me that MMF will find a new king in a few months too that will dictate what can be played. ANd lastly, Unlimited wont change that much since no one is testing it anymore.
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posted May 05, 2002 08:01 PM
Somewhere on page 3 I saw a post that said Machoke/Machop and Dark Golbat will be released. This does make perfect sense. Another thing also is that a while ago I was thinking that, if Bill/Elm/Mary/Cleffa are the only cards, then they will rerealease some new drawing cards. I am guessing that some of the bad draw cards are going to be slammed in to LC. The first card that actually came to mind was Maitenence. I for one HATE this cards it is like a Computer Search, but taken off its original steroids. What I am thinking WotC will end up doing is releasing the cards that were really underplayed in Unlimited beause of the access to drawing like Oak etc. Now that the environment has changed and their is a signficant amount of drawing dropped, people will most likely play these new, pathetic orms of drawing.
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posted May 05, 2002 09:03 PM
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posted May 05, 2002 09:23 PM
When posting conjecture about possible reprints, consider this; things that have counterparts in Neon are very unlikey. Oak became Elm. Gust became Double Gust. And so on. Also consider Card-E. It has a Pokemon Tool PlusPower, and a coinflip ER. Those won't be back.
Also remember...DMTM said mostly reprints.
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posted May 06, 2002 03:33 AM
Why limit all the reprints to just the Base-Rocket cards? What about Master Ball and Secret Mission? Those ae semi-decent in the current Modified, so I ask why not? ![[Embarrassed]](../tcg/redface.gif)
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posted May 06, 2002 08:13 AM
While I find all this speculation and debate on certain cards being in this new LC set interesting and occasionally entertaining ... what is the purpose of bringing back certain cards and not others? I'm assuming that it is bring back a more balanced game in which no one or two types of decks will dominate the current playing environment. Will LC accomplish this? Or will it just change the dominate deck played to something else i.e. haymaker to gatr to ??? Is this a temporary fix or is this going to be a continual process when new sets are added and older ones removed? Lots of questions ... while I'm sure many of you will have opinions as to what LC will do ... it will be purely speculation as the set hasn't been released and play tested by us.
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posted May 06, 2002 09:41 AM
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When posting conjecture about possible reprints, consider this; things that have counterparts in Neon are very unlikey. Oak became Elm. Gust became Double Gust. And so on. Also consider Card-E. It has a Pokemon Tool PlusPower, and a coinflip ER. Those won't be back.
Good logic.
The 2 cards I'm still really interesting in seeing whether the put in an appearance are ER and Switch. ER is interesting because it can be combined with something like D. Vaporeon's Whirlpool that for an energy embargo.
Switch was partially replaced by Balloon Berry, but not completely as Balloon Berry isn't nearly as good against the status effects. It would be great to rescue your active from D. Gengar's double sleep with a trainer.
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Kentucky Dad
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posted May 06, 2002 10:28 AM
I'm sorry but I never intened for this post to turn into an argument of what is or is not broken in your opinions. It was for updating LC. So if you would like to take your arguments and feelings about what you think should be in the set to another post I would appreciate it.
I don't mind comments about what is in the set and how that will help or not but all this conjecture about things that you think should/should not be please take to your own post.
You can argue until your heart is content about it there! All else I'm deleting.
All of it is way off topic. Including my SER comment.
If you have any questions I can answer about the set I would be happy to.
DMTM
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Frodo_Baggins - "Like the guy said "Get out of the box""
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