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MasterMazakala

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posted January 24, 2003 03:11 PM      Profile for MasterMazakala   Email MasterMazakala    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
sorry if i sounded a bit off, but wouldn't you be if your nearest SBZ was across the atlantic?>
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posted January 24, 2003 03:14 PM      Profile for TheCrossFormatKid   Email TheCrossFormatKid    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I myself think this is a great idea to be having it in the unlimited format. Infact, if it was to be modified, i would probably judge instead of play because modified just isnt as fun IMHO. I also wonder why there isnt one in the capitol, the closest one is in maryland...

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posted January 24, 2003 03:18 PM      Profile for PsycoDad      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Martin,
You are correct about steelix being a good unlimited deck. I played against and un named world class player who has a great steelix deck (immune to SER) the night before the worlds with my light golduck deck and beat it. We were both shocked. He decided not to play steelix the next night at worlds. I wish he had played it and I am pretty sure he wished he had as well. The reason worlds is brought up is because it was the last real big unlimited event. As for Alex, he is one of the best metagame players around. And yes ditto is easy to get around. However, I would not write off R zappy yet though.

Hey MasterMazakala,
Bummer for you. I feel bad Europe doesn't have SBZ. You made me realize I was lucky to have a place to play.

[ January 24, 2003, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: PsycoDad ]

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Yes,I`ll give you that Martin.Steelix is a top deck and Alex is a great player.But in all fairness to everyone,a good amount of people went to the Professor event to just have fun while Alex and others went to win.I myself grabbed an old,old deck,modified it with a few cards quickly,and went to just enjoy the experience.Even though I didn`t win(I wasn`t expecting to with that deck),I was shocked that it had only 1 loss after the first night.Now,seeing how alot of online people play to win,maybe I`ll play to win the next time myself... [Evil Smirk]

As for the format,I e-mailed Linda at DCI and she replied that,from what I told her,she thinks that the format has not been decided yet but she wasn`t sure.

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posted January 24, 2003 03:45 PM      Profile for sentimental_blastoise   Email sentimental_blastoise    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
*hates to contradict MM*...
But there IS SBZ in the UK [Smile]
I appreciate that it will be difficult for you to attend, as the first one is in Crawley..but it exists [Smile]

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posted January 24, 2003 04:16 PM      Profile for Freddy K   Email Freddy K    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
quote:
Originally posted by MasterMazakala:
I Live In The UK,

We Dont Even HAVE SBZ...

So QUIT YOUR WHINNING

Mazzy -

I hope that you've been reading the Team UK website more closely... even today, I posted the details of our first Super BattleZone. It's in Crawley, England - March 15th 2003.

Mazzy we can understand that you're in Wales and that it's difficult for you to get to events in England. Especially on a teenager's budget. And I personally can empathise on the fact that you've not been able to take part in a major event for a long time now, since Thorpe Park.

But.

Bear in mind that there are lots of things that are happening, you're on the mailing list of UK Profs and so you know exactly what's going to happen with GenCon-Europe in London this April. Have you thought about maybe asking if you could judge this tournament, this time around? Perhaps you can get Lee Singleton at WotC-UK to forward your contact details to the organisers, who will need to have Pokémon judges. You may then get some sort of break on accommodation and expenses, like most Magic tournament judges get and what we received when we helped out at GenConUK... [Cool]

S_B is correct in saying we do have SBZ. I hope that it's just a simple oversight on your part, and I hope you weren't directing your criticisms at anyone in particular - especially on the boards, through which we've gained a tremendous amount of help and support from players outside the UK. We do have a responsibility as UK Profs to champion the cause and carry the game forward here as much as we can, if we want the game to continue growing the way WE want it to. [Wink]

Perhaps try to come to Crawley's tournament, you're more than welcome and it'll be great to play you there. If not, make sure that you've done your best to organise a league in Wales. Because if there aren't players in Wales and near where you live, it simply wouldn't make sense to organise an event like a SBZ there. Get some OP sorted there and some sanctioning.

It's only as a result of sweat, blood, tears, 'productive' shouting/screaming/debating, 'pro-active' moaning/groaning that we can bring about change. Look, we had MTM Head Judge GenConUK here, as well as visit to oversee last year's Challenges in the UK. The last thing we want to do is whine BACK at them. It can be perceived as being ungrateful. [Frown]

Relationships with WotC-UK have been in the past frosty [Embarrassed] to say the least but at the moment things are going as planned, we're in control and we ourselves asked if we could call the SE Challenges 'Super Battlezones', which WotC-UK wholeheartedly agreed to, as well as provide prize support for the players who can take part in the tournament rounds without regard for age.

This time last year, they were telling us to move onto Magic.

Isn't it time that we realised there has been change now?

-fK

PS from what I read into the other posts, the posts were trying to suggest how to achieve the maximum amount of inclusiveness with SBZ, and how to strike this balance with the wants of the players themselves. Not something with which we should poke around with as we've got our own agenda at the best of times here in the UK. [Blush]

[ January 24, 2003, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: Freddy K ]

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posted January 24, 2003 04:44 PM      Profile for Martin Moreno   Email Martin Moreno    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
You really cannot say Steelix isn't Unlimited worthy. Im Sorry, but I have to disagree. You get a win on someone playing a steelix using a Light Golduck deck and decide it's durability against every deck in the game is bad just from one 1 match? "I dont get it"

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posted January 24, 2003 05:22 PM      Profile for Crobat1   Email Crobat1    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I think we have lost our focus! I don't mean just the focus of the thread.

Daniel and I began playing Pokemon in the summer of 1999. Since then, we have been to many big and small, local and far off tournaments.

For us, the most fun event (aside from Worlds) may well have been the original round of East Coast Super Trainer events. We went to the one Labor Day weekend, 2000, on Long Island. We each played in one single elimination event.

What was so much fun was the atmosphere. Everyone playing, trading, and talking Pokemon.

And, the abundance of freebies.

Everyone who showed up got a goody bag including packs and a promo Jigglypuff, which as that time was an incredible difficult to find promo.

I personally think that we need to think about how to make our events fun for everyone--not just good, sound, intense competition for the few.

If we don't make the game fun for the beginner--we will not grow.

What I like about the SBZ is that everyone is getting a free Lucky Stadium promo just for entering the tournament.

IMHO, our energy and resources should go more into giving lots of goody bags for everyone.

That's what we do at our tournaments. Everyone gets a prize.

I played in a tournament in Syracuse last week where everyone who entered got 8 promo cards (2 for each round). In the end, the winner got one extra reverse energy holo. Everyone was happy.

Unlimited--modified. Mostly, I think it is irrelevant. Soem players only have decks and experience in unlimited. Other players may only have decks and experience in modified. As Sensei reminds us, it is our job as Professors to help. Mostly help people to have fun--which includes helping them to build decks and learn the mechanics of each format.

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posted January 24, 2003 07:31 PM      Profile for ScythKing   Email ScythKing    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
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Originally posted by Golduck:
Slowking didn't work too bad at Worlds, even though Chansey won the whole thing. I went 5-2 with a Slowking/Sneasel/Murkrow deck. But the 2 matches I lost were against decks who fast got out Igglies, and where I didn't get enough Slowkings fast enough.

I never got my Igglys out on you. My Houndoom's did it all by themselves - well Sneasel helped a little - and you had 3 Slowkings out. Locking a Houndoom just isn't a good thing to do [Devilish]

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posted January 24, 2003 07:42 PM      Profile for ScythKing   Email ScythKing    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
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Originally posted by Martin Moreno:
FTKO decks are dead.

Funny - I watched Ness get FTKO'd by a Erica's Jiggly at Worlds - by Maria's daughter I think...
I got 2nd turn KO'd by Chansey (close enuff for discussion purposes). I watched the old boring Oak, Item Finder, Oak, CPU, DCE - Double Edge KO routine. Whaddaya gonna do? Same old tired trainermon dance. Makes we wish for the equivalent of M:tG Instants... (counterspell comes to mind)

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posted January 24, 2003 07:46 PM      Profile for ScythKing   Email ScythKing    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
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Originally posted by GymLeaderPhil:
Not everyone I know has four copies of cards like Computer Search , Sneasel, Cleffa, etc. (The people that do only emerge from Pokemon hibernation when the Primere Event Season kicks off anyways [Razz] ).-Phil

Nahhhh - I just can't bear to throw 'em away! I found a whole box of trainers at a yard sale one day - I got more breeders, traders, DCE's, Oaks, CPUS, Item Finders than I could shake a stick at for a nickle a pop.

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posted January 24, 2003 08:36 PM      Profile for PokePop   Email PokePop    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
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Originally posted by Martin Moreno:
You really cannot say Steelix isn't Unlimited worthy. Im Sorry, but I have to disagree. You get a win on someone playing a steelix using a Light Golduck deck and decide it's durability against every deck in the game is bad just from one 1 match? "I dont get it"

Martin: Reread his post. You are reading a lot more into it than he said. As a matter of fact, he said the Steelix player probably regretted dropping the deck and not using it.

Let's not get heated. And I'm not just directing that at Martin. Some people have reacted more strongly to Martin than they would to someone else. Cool heads both ways, please.

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posted January 24, 2003 09:18 PM      Profile for Magby Guru   Email Magby Guru    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
you kno what?...AT LEAST WOTC IS HOLDING HUGE SANCTIONED TOUNRAMENTS! My GOD! they FINALLY give 15+ players something to play in, and you all STILL complain, "i dont get it". You kno what, if you cant accept the fact that WoTC is NOT trying to screw you over and that they still are not giving 15+ enough, then you need to find a new hobby. Unlimited is FINE, its just a format...like any other, BOO HOO I CAN LSOE TURN ONE!....NO ONE CARES! Its called PART OF THE GAME, GET USED TO IT! I am SO sick of constantly hearing people bicker and complain PROFUSELY. Listen, sure these events will be extrmeely tough for the 12- cround, but you kno what? they HAVE JSS events to play in [i.e: Challenge Series] so DONT EVEN COMPLAIN FOR THEM! im not saying this as a 15+ player point of view, because i ahd this SAME oppinion for the last two years ive been playing. Its as simple as that. If the 10- corud cant handle these events..then wait and play in the JSS events, they will get their 'Goods' eaither way, Regardless. I am not flaming anyone and this post shoudl not be taken as a direct statement to anyone. thanks.

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posted January 25, 2003 03:42 AM      Profile for PsycoDad      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Martin
I guess I wasn't clear enough. Steelix rocks in unlimited and modified. I agree with you. I don't get it either. It was 1 game. The fella had a bad match up period. Every deck has a bad game or match-up now and then. Could have been I caught him after a long flight/day. Could be he crushed me with his "other" deck (4 turns) which he decided to play. Could be he checked around at the hotel and saw a few more anti steelix decks. Frankly, I would have played his steelix deck.

Hi Buby Guru

I know your not flaming. And the 15-25 crowd is not the one's complaining. It's a parent (yep, me) who started this. I will summarize my reason for this post here. The crux of the issue is comunication. If I knew for a fact that there was SC/GC I would have NEVER POSTED! If I knew for a fact that this was the 15+ tourney circuit and there would be something else for 10- (it doesn't even have to be GC/SC, I don't need trips, just a tourney)I would have NEVER POSTED. If I knew unlimited was going to be part of the tourney season, I would have NEVER POSTED! I just don't know.

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If your out there, you may recall our conversation at worlds about the power of the written word. At this point, I wish I had taken my own advice.

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posted January 25, 2003 04:03 AM      Profile for ukpokemonpro   Email ukpokemonpro    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Freddy well said my man, Mazzy [NoNoNo] read our posts as Freddy has said SBZ at Crawley and the hall is now confirmed as booked [Smile]

For you guys and gals in the US I am torn I like playing unlimited but my deck is in pieces and I have to say that if you wish to drive the game forward then Modified must be the way to go.

You don't sell cards and keep the game alive and fresh by promoting the use of out of print cards.

However this is only the first round of SBZs and maybe they will be modified next time round.

So as an introduction to the world of competative play then unlimited could be a good choice... I don't think so but that doesn't mean I am right... or for that matter wrong [Smile]

Here in the UK we are pursuing a different agenda and we are going Modified for our first SBZ that doesn't mean we won't change to unlimited for future events indeed I expect European GenCon to have a Classic (unlimited) tournament amongst the Modified and Team tourneys there.

I personally believe that modified is the right way to drive sales, op and the future of the game but to do that WotC need our help and from what SD'mom has been told maybe they weren't counting on getting it for the SBZs?

Unlimited is dead, Long Live Modified!

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posted January 26, 2003 04:51 PM      Profile for SGHErika72      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Yes, I do wish that SBZ was modified. Just when I start to get comfortable with modified... I do not look forward to SER, Computer Search, Oak, Item Finder, etc. turns. However, to each his own.

Yes, I agree, I really wish there was going to be a 10- division. My 8 and 10 year kids will get likely not do well. But then, my daughter restored my optimism. We played a tournament as a team and came in last. Our DCI rankings sinking ever faster. I was expecting her to feel sad and dejected. But at the end of the day, she said she had a great time with her Daddy and couldn't wait to play Pokeman again! [Big Grin] This is, to me, the best thing about Pokemon. When I told her about SBZ she jumped up and down get very excited.

So bring on your SER, your Wigglys', etc. We will likely not do well, but we will have fun [Smile] !
Just my two cents worth...

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posted January 26, 2003 07:49 PM      Profile for annisarich   Email annisarich    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
MF, Unlimited whatever..........
My 8 year gets his buTt whipped every time he plays in a tournent.

He comes home and kicks all his friends tails at home.

He is excited to play and enjoys the organized play. . Just because he gets his tail beaten doesnt make him want to quit. He wants to tweek his deck and get better.
Whatever the format he wants to be at SBZ

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posted January 26, 2003 08:29 PM      Profile for farbsman   Email farbsman    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I am begining to think everyone here is WAY too competitive. Sure the format is Unlimited, but who cares. I will be taking some kids to this tournament and they will be using there modified decks.

Why you ask? Well last time I checked the winner gets a box of cards and a box topper. Hardly worth complaining about. I am taking these kids there to get them ready for this years "bigger" tournaments. None of the kids I am taking have ever played swiss (we play single elim at our DCI tournaments because we are not allowed the time to do swiss.) This will give them the experience they need and they can make some new friends that play Pokemon, the game we all love.

I think everyone is looking at this all the wrong way. Instead of looking at it as a huge tournament that is a must win, look at it as a chance to prepare for Gym/Stadium challenges. Take your modified decks and play with them. I mean, it all these unlimited decks are so easy to win with, won't you feel good if you beat one with your modified deck?

Please I ask you, don't look at this tournament as a life or death situation, but a chance to see old friends again and a chance to possibly give new players and new tournament players a chance to get use to a big tournament, without the urgency to win to make it to Worlds.

Hope I didn't offend anyone writing this, just thought it had to be said.

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posted January 26, 2003 09:31 PM      Profile for SD_PokeMom   Email SD_PokeMom    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
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Originally posted by farbsman:
I think everyone is looking at this all the wrong way. Instead of looking at it as a huge tournament that is a must win, look at it as a chance to prepare for Gym/Stadium challenges. ...Please I ask you, don't look at this tournament as a life or death situation, but a chance to see old friends again and a chance to possibly give new players and new tournament players a chance to get use to a big tournament, without the urgency to win to make it to Worlds.

Hope I didn't offend anyone writing this, just thought it had to be said.

Good point [Smile] .

IMHO everyone is so on edge about this because of not knowing what the tourney season is going to consist of. This is the only event announced so far, and we don't know if/when there WILL be any others.

Therefore, the complaints/concerns...and again, NOT because of any ulterior motive, but because of the love we all have for this game.

Anyway, good point, and one we need to remember; thanks! [Smile]

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posted January 26, 2003 09:48 PM      Profile for Darkleaf Master   Email Darkleaf Master    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Well, I look forward to this tourny IMHO... I was somewhat dissapointed that it was unlimited.. but hey! I havent had the chance to play Unlimited in a while! As someone before me said, This is the time to see old friends, bring in new players, and form new relationships... So lets stop the fighting.. I look forward to meeting some of you in the tourny... I hope Ill be seeing you there SD_pokemom [Smile] Look forward to meeting you!

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Thank god it's Modified Now!

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posted January 27, 2003 05:12 PM      Profile for IPGeek21   Email IPGeek21    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
So I think this post has run its course.

EMAIL me psycodad if you think I should unlock it ok?

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