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Yo3ZekeYokiMiki13
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posted December 02, 2002 04:49 PM
I use Spainsh, German, and French cards in some of my decks. Thank goodness for the new language rule.
I collect Japanese Pokemon cards for fun, and I don't use them in decks. It's fun to collect.
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Otaku
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posted December 03, 2002 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by matthewssandslash:
Then make it legal for Europe (and perhaps for European players in non-European tourneys) and most of the rest of the world. I'm sure that the benefits there exceed the downsides. But in the USA and probably Canada, if you make the new language rule legal there (which it already is!), it'll just open the way for cheaters. (If you can't get English cards over here but you can get German cards, you need mental help or something. ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif) )
What about French-Canadians? Sorry if I am butchering the term, but last I new there were at least some areas of Canada where they they spoke both English and French.
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yoshi1001
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posted December 03, 2002 10:01 AM
As I recall there are laws in Canada that require some products to be in both languages.
Of course, the US is becoming less and less english-speaking as well (as my mom who works in a racially mixed school district will tell you).
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IPGeek21
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posted December 03, 2002 10:29 AM
I really wonder WHERE matthewsandslash battles THAT HE IS SO CONCERNED AND WORRIED about cheaters...
He is so POSITIVE on the human condition. Dude THIS is pokemon, a game...
Hope you haven't lost too many GAMES for not knowing what cards do... THAT is not THEIR fault.
*AND YES I am speaking from experience... it being MY FAULT!
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DOMCGI
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posted December 03, 2002 11:00 AM
First of all, if it is just a causal game, it is not a real problem because winning or losing is not a big issue. If you can't accept another player anything (e.g. dirty hand, bad language,...), you can quit the game anytime.
For tournament, win or lost is important. So a judge is required for final rule.
The quality of judge will become an issue. A judge should has all required material handy. Either in his brain or on hand (printed or in PDA). If the judge can't affort to print or to own a PDA, he should memorize all the stuff, otherwise, he is not a good judge.
If a judge fail to pull out the required material, it is the judge's false.
Not only the foriegn langauge card can cause trouble by bad judge, any argument about ruling also can get trouble by bad judge.
My conclusion is: we need quality judge!!!!!
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matthewssandslash
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posted December 03, 2002 05:14 PM
Hmm.
[Edit: ummm, no; please keep in mind that not everyone who posts to the 'Gym has English as their first language, okay? Please be kind to your fellow community members; thanks for your understanding and cooperation...]
[ December 03, 2002, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: WizPog_PokeMom ]
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Dark and Vile
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posted December 03, 2002 05:58 PM
Where have *I* played where I had to watch out for cheaters?
Worlds. How 'bout them apples?
I saw things happening there that I would have never imagined people trying to get away with.
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WizPog_PokeMom
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posted December 03, 2002 05:59 PM
In the side events, or main tourneys? What division?
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matthewssandslash
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posted December 03, 2002 08:49 PM
Indeed. And with the language rule, these things just get tougher to stop. So make it legal abroud, where it's likely to have an effect for the better. But repeal it for the US (and probably Canada).
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Dark and Vile
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posted December 03, 2002 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by WizPog_PokeMom:
In the side events, or main tourneys? What division?
Main event, 10 and under and 11-14.
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IPGeek21
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posted December 03, 2002 09:46 PM
My bro played someone WHO REALLY REALLY abused of having 'friends' at a certain place... it rattled him for 2 rounds... costing him a top spot... he was SO ANGRY that it took him out of the game =/
Back on topic: Human COndition, deal with it.
HOW?
Being prepared.
lol
Like ENGLISH is the only SPOKEN language in the USA
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Golduck
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posted December 04, 2002 04:08 AM
This can happen easily with US cards only too. My sister is 8 years old. At a STS Qualifier, where she was 7, she played against a guy who used Koga's Beedrill.
He told her that its attack was 3 colorless: 70 damage, flip a coin - if tails, this attack does nothing.
He didn't tell her at all that you couldn't use the attack every turn. He had a lucky coin and knocked out several of her BBPs, including Scyther and Magmar. She got out a Chansey and managed to Double Edge it for 80 and closely win the match.
She told me this first after the match, and said "Koga's Beedrill is really powerful, isn't it?" I had to explain to her that her opponent was playing it wrong.
In another game, my sister's opponent used Totodile's Leer to do 70 damage! ![[Eek!]](../tcg/eek.gif) Basically, anyone can cheat by saying the card does something it doesn't at all. The only way to avoid this is to know what the card does in reality, may it be Japanese, German, Dutch or US. Or by reading the actual card - and if you can't, ask the Oracle or the judge.
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Michel
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posted December 04, 2002 04:16 AM
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So make it legal abroud, where it's likely to have an effect for the better. But repeal it for the US (and probably Canada).
What about the foreign players coming to the USA for Worlds or other big events ?
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Where have *I* played where I had to watch out for cheaters?
Worlds. How 'bout them apples?
I saw things happening there that I would have never imagined people trying to get away with. ...
Main event, 10 and under and 11-14.
Dark and Vile, did you report what you've seen to one of the judges WHEN you have seen it ?
Judges would have taken the appropriated decision if they had been aware of players cheating, no ? ![[Confused]](../tcg/confused.gif)
Saying that there were cheaters at Worlds 4 month later is not really helpful
Sorry guys, but I don't really see the problem with the language rule.
If players want to cheat, they'll always find a way to do so, language rule or not.
If you don't have a PDA, just make a print of the translations of the cards allowed in the format that is played and take it with you at your league or tournament.
And if you run DCI tournaments with the DCI reporter, make a copy of the file on your computer. As easy as that
Is it really worth changing that rule ?
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Dark and Vile
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posted December 04, 2002 05:07 AM
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Originally posted by Michel:
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Where have *I* played where I had to watch out for cheaters?
Worlds. How 'bout them apples?
I saw things happening there that I would have never imagined people trying to get away with. ...
Main event, 10 and under and 11-14.
Dark and Vile, did you report what you've seen to one of the judges WHEN you have seen it ?
Judges would have taken the appropriated decision if they had been aware of players cheating, no ?
Saying that there were cheaters at Worlds 4 month later is not really helpful
I've spoken about it before.
The real point, though, is that some people (for whatever reason) are willing to cheat to win in any circumstance, even Worlds.
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posted December 04, 2002 08:44 AM
Agreeing with what has already been said, it is the player's _RESPONSIBILITY_ to know what the cards do. If there is ever a doubt, you instantly ASK A JUDGE, it's that simple.
Of course people will cheat, it again is your responsibility to look out for your game, ESPECIALLY at big events. It's a sad truth that as long as theirs any organized competition there will be cheating. But again, why do you think judges are there.
Also, this new ruling benefits those people without easy access to English Print cards. So just think about the people other parts of the world, instead of what's good for yourself.
I personally think this was a good move. It not only helps non-English players, but also places more responsibility on the players. You want that trip to Worlds? Know what cards do instead of cookie-cutting someone's archetype.
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Apolonia
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posted December 04, 2002 04:18 PM
I like this new rule
Over 3 weeks i'm in the USA and i'm going to find a pokemonleague to play.
I think i will bring my Dutch Charizards or Blastoise with me, just to look how players react on it.
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posted December 04, 2002 05:15 PM
First of all, I want to say something to the wonderful people who made this rule change possible.
Thank you. A lot.
Now, I would like to talk about the issue with cheating. If you know your cards, you will not be taken advantage of, if you don't, ask a judge asap. Look at magic, even if someone tries to misrepresent a card, they always end up in trouble with DQ's/DCI Banning/DQ + loss of winnings.
Personally, I love not having to carry around (and struggle to obtain) extra cards just so I can play my deck with 4 Japanese Cleffas, and other assorted Japanese or other language cards. I'm sure this rule was implemented in order to force people to buy more cards, because pokemon was supposed to be a "Lightbulb" that was soon to Burn Out. Magic hasn't had this rule, and I have enjoyed every moment of it, occasionally playing with foreign cards (although I have a strange dislike of foreign cards in my magic decks *shrug*).
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matthewssandslash
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posted December 04, 2002 10:39 PM
"Like ENGLISH is the only SPOKEN language in the USA
ROFLMBO"
Heck, over in East Washington we know all about English not being the only spoken language. But it pretty much IS the only WRITTEN language. =/
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Originally posted by Michel:
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So make it legal abroud, where it's likely to have an effect for the better. But repeal it for the US (and probably Canada).
What about the foreign players coming to the USA for Worlds or other big events ?
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Sorry guys, but I don't really see the problem with the language rule.
If players want to cheat, they'll always find a way to do so, language rule or not.
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Is it really worth changing that rule ?
Ya, it's worth changing it.
Now, if you're in a big event, like Worlds, the judges would just tell you that if your opponent has a different-language card, to ask the judges about it. I have no problem with that. It's at the minor events, like League tourneys, that this will REALLY get abused at. And it IS worth changing the rule for.
And with other forms of cheating... I've never had anyone cheat against me in any way EXCEPT for misinterpreting. Some kids don't think of it as really cheating, so they excuse themselves for doing it.
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And for anyone who cares, I discovered the Strength Charm misruling. You all won your STS', but I discovered the strength Charm misruling. So there.
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posted December 05, 2002 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by matthewssandslash:
And with other forms of cheating... I've never had anyone cheat against me in any way EXCEPT for misinterpreting. Some kids don't think of it as really cheating, so they excuse themselves for doing it.
Then why not stop playing these people. If its at your local League, just cation everyone to know what that person's card's really do. If this is at League, and the GL actually cares, then report it to them. Also, here's a very simple thing to do before a match (though I would run it by the GL if its at a League): ask if a person is using foreign cards before you play them. If its informal, just tell the person that if they don't inform you, you are going to consider yourself the winner. Period. Otherwise, just be prepared. Its fairly easy to print off spoilers. I must admit, I need to re-print several of mine as the have worn out from use. As for your above comment: lucky you-the only times you've been cheated are the times when you could have prevented it. ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif)
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