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GymLeaderPhil
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posted May 17, 2003 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by ukpokemonpro:
Freddy in terms of a list of cards and prizes available may I refer you to Thurdays Chat for that..
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Ben, please stop asking these specific sorts of questions
Or should that be questions on the specifics?
Now were just being silly, taking words out of context, and warping them around to make oneself look better.
In general, you should know that the Master Trainers cannot release every single tid bit of information that you ask of them. Other companies would follow thru with the workings of WotC and become competition. Additionally the time and effort that the staff here at Wizards of the Coast has put into the Pokemon brand is invaluable. While a list was not presented, MTM promised support for the Challange Series that is "basically be the same thing plus even more". What Mike was regarding "specific types of questions" was your question about when exactly will support arrive for the Organizers of the events. In my opinion it really does not matter what date the prize support arrives. We know that there will be a tournament, we know there will be support, so why dont we all just wait and see instead of beating a dead horse?
Besides, what you were asking was answered four times before it. If that wasnt beating a dead horse...
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master_trainer_mike says, "Also, some clarification."
master_trainer_mike says, "There are not any specifically scheduled fan appreciation events in Europe."
master_trainer_mike says, "There ARE upcoming Challenge events though that will basically be the same thing plus even more!"
master_trainer_mike says, "We are sending over jackets, shirts, foil cards, and foil Professor Elms to support events being held in the UK and by the Belgium office at the end of this month."
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master_trainer_mike presents the speaker with question #1578 from ukpokemonpro:Can you confirm the UKs order for prizes support for our Fan Appreciation Tourneys has been received and that the order will be expedited so that we get it in time for our FAT the 14 June ?
master_trainer_mike says, "As I said, we are sending out prize support to the UK and to Belgium."
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master_trainer_mike presents the speaker with question #1581 from ukpokemonpro: Given that we in europe have not really had access to the reverse holo elm card will you be sending a supply to us for use at FATs and SBZs?
master_trainer_mike says, "Once again, every player in the entire WORLD will be given equal opportunities to these cards."
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master_trainer_mike presents the speaker with question #1584 from ukpokemonpro:Mike if you send the UK FAT support at the end of this month that may not be in time to meet our arranged tournament in London I ask again what is being done to expedite the shipment
master_trainer_mike says, "Ben, please stop asking these specific sorts of questions."
master_trainer_mike says, "We are sending over the materials."
master_trainer_mike says, "I have said we are and we are."
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NoPoke
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posted May 17, 2003 08:30 AM
master_trainer_mike says, "Once again, every player in the entire WORLD will be given equal opportunities to these cards."
we shall wait and see.....
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some people brag about their tournament results, me I'm gonna brag??? about what players have managed to get past me LOL
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'legal stalling' : game loss at least
'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious!
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Freddy K
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posted May 17, 2003 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by GymLeaderPhil:
In general, you should know that the Master Trainers cannot release every single tid bit of information that you ask of them. Other companies would follow thru with the workings of WotC and become competition.
-Phil
You've raised some valid points in your posting Phil but if the premise quoted above stood then you would have no idea of what prize piles you'd be receiving yourselves at Origins or at GenCon.
All that the UK and other European players wish for is the same amount of info. Detailing prize piles would help us attract players to these events in the same way as the US FATs have done so. As we get our own events within a month and as we get our pseudo-FATs first surely it would make sense for us to know just what is in these mysterious boxes...?
Why such secrecy for a simple matter?
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ukpokemonpro
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posted May 17, 2003 03:11 PM
Phil,
As you are too young to run and TO any tournaments and as an American I will excuse your ignorance at the state of play in the UK and conversations and emails that you have not had any part or knowledge of.
Also without TOing or organising large events you will be ignorant of the frustrations, delays and stresses that dog our every move.
Mike stated that No FATs outside the US... yet we have been talking to WotC UK and they with Mike about a FAT at one of our regular SE Challenges for Months.
Indeed the date was set way back in March following the Crawley South East Challenge.
We have booked the venue, we will provide prizes, we will judge it.. now we were asked to treat it as a FAT by WotC UK and all I am trying to ascertain is will the promo's ordered by WotC UK arrive in time or not!
Mike has lead us to beleive that may not happen if they are sent at the end of May they may well miss the tourney.
Now when we see that you have specific details of all the cards you will get for just turning up at a tourney sure we're mad. We are mad that you know and we don't .. we're mad that yet again you get a pig pen full of goodies and we get cast offs... we're mad that we have yet to see March, April or May BZ kits...
Now as a Professor that can't TO and an American who has not experienced our lack of support, I dare say you have yet to experience the sadness of telling 30 players they can't have anymore promo's or badges because WotC sent them back, or WotC are not gonna give us those because we are going straight to year 4 and then waiting and waiting and waiting...
Walk a mile in our shoes and see what you think after that.
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"a meaningless title is just that ... meaningless"
"London Super Battlezone 2003"
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TheGameHHH6662
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posted May 17, 2003 03:22 PM
Total disregard for anything outside USA.Lee is trying hard but what can you do when MTM is just putting up a brick wall!As I've said before,there are a handful of people that I will be truly sorry to say goodbye to but the majority in WOTC I couldn't give two hoots for!After years of being involved with Pokemon and WOTC it is deeply sad that it has come to this!
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posted May 17, 2003 03:25 PM
Phil, you don't even know a quarter of what has been going on between the USA and the UK let alone what occurs between the UK office and ourselves.
Without Ukpokemonpro, pokemon in the UK would have ceased when year 1 was prematurely cancelled. Our experience with all things wotc has been one of near constant frustration: decisions reversed on a whim, promises broken. If we seem suspicious of official assurances then its because 4 years of dealing with wotc have made us so.
Being on the outside and looking in: it is hard to avoid the conclusion that the rest of the world is excluded from the party.
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'Good News' or 'Bad News' but NOT NO NEWS
some people brag about their tournament results, me I'm gonna brag??? about what players have managed to get past me LOL
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'legal stalling' : game loss at least
'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious!
The prize swap penalty as it applies to shuffling.
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Wizpog_Sensei
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posted May 17, 2003 07:03 PM
Actually,Phil is correct with what he said.I understand that you are asking and asking out of frustration with you not getting support trying to get some kind of confirmation but as you could see in MTM`s last response and as Phil asserted,that it`s getting past the point of ridiculous.You really think that MTM is going to give you the exact information of what he is doing and when he will be sending,etc?C`mon.I don`t blame him for getting tired of the same question over and over and over.
Now,as for you saying that Phil is talking without knowing what you guys are going through,you are doing the same thing you are accusing him of.You say he is "not old enough to organize/TO" that he dosesn`t know how to do it or what it`s like...How do you know what he can and cannot do?Just because he can`t "offically" TO/organize a DCI sanctioned tourney doesn`t mean he has never done it(ran/organized a tourney) or doesn`t have the knowledge to do so.Phil has done alot and has a good knowledge of the very thing you say he doesn`t.
Now,if we can`t calm down and keep this orderly,and the continued griping doesn`t stop until you know that someone has screwed you over by not sending you anything for your tourney,then I will lock this.I don`t want to,but I will not tolerate any more juvenile sniping at each other and everything overall.It`s getting to the point of ridiculous.
I truly hope you guys get all the stuff promised but no matter what does happen,remember what you said in an earlier post:
It will be a great day because we will make it so...
`Sensei
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ukpokemonpro
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posted May 17, 2003 11:54 PM
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You really think that MTM is going to give you the exact information of what he is doing and when he will be sending,etc? C`mon.I don`t blame him for getting tired of the same question over and over and over.
Okay so we get no answer to a fairly easy question when you guys and gals have the very same information we are asking for and we're unreasonable?
Sorry guys this is our post about Europe and our tribulations and still you tell us we're wrong, shut up griping and just go quietly into the night ...
You speak from a position of knowing exactly what prizes you will get and when you will get them.
I asked my first question prior to MTMs statement on Europe, I asked my second based on yet again you guys and gals being told everyone was going to get promo's we have never seen and maybe will never see. My subsequent questions were trying to elicit an answer to the question will you expedite the order so it arrives on time.
But hey you guys get your snouts in the trough so what does it matter about Europe and the UK .. Do not lecture us on understanding until you have walked in our place then see how you feel.
We are fully expecting that this year will be just like all the rest.. Half completed or no League kits, no support from the US outside of the "we can't tell you anything talk to the local office"
Well before you rant at us again just think 4 Master Professors all saying the same thing and still you don't get it and still you don't care.
To those in the US and Canada who do understand thank you, a very special thank you to 'Mom, Marsh and procrastination_alley .. thanks for the promo's they have helped a lot and I will be spreading them around the UK's other BZs.
To those who just think there go the UK lot again.. well maybe you wouldn't like it so much if the tables were reversed.
To WotC I say this again... you are not doing a good job of saying thank you to us players and professors outside the US. Better get it sorted fast if you want us to feel anything but anger and disappointment at yet another year of half delivered and empty WotC promises.
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"a meaningless title is just that ... meaningless"
"London Super Battlezone 2003"
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'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious!
14,000 deck boxes yeah we'll take all of them .... what have I done!
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posted May 18, 2003 12:42 AM
Sensei we have been promised lots of nothing!
NO FATS OUTSIDE THE USA
NO SHIPMENT OF ANYTHING TILL AFTER THE END OF THIS MONTH
NO BOOSTER SUPPORT
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What do we get told.
ITS NOT UP TO US...ASK THE LOCAL OFFICE
YEAR FOUR WILL RUN SMOOTHLY
YOU WILL GET ALL THE PROMOS
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BROKEN PROMISES! and you wonder why we are upset!
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some people brag about their tournament results, me I'm gonna brag??? about what players have managed to get past me LOL
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'legal stalling' : game loss at least
'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious!
The prize swap penalty as it applies to shuffling.
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Marcello-Milord
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posted May 18, 2003 04:02 AM
Definitively guys... Antwerp & UK will have their FAT... Italy will not have FAT.
For Nationals, thanks to our OP manager, we got Buzz, CHan, Dark Ivysaur & venusaur best with & without winner stamp, plus a bunch of foil energy. But these goodies were BUYED some times ago, and shipped to Wizards Italy recently.
As Professors, we got 1 winner & non-winner stamped for each of these 4 promos + 25 for each of the 6 basic foil energy, plus a TR deck box (and obiouvsly, the "payment" box.We asked for Skyridge, which probably will not be, as Wizards Italy will not need anymore prize support - the premier tournament here has finished with Nationals...).
MTM has talked about a thank you for players and Professors to be sent in next months.
Pokémon is not the first thing wizards is thinking about... But they need to give out all Pokémon items before they wil be destroyed, cause they don't need them anymore. For nationals, WoTC Italy gave out to all players, with the promos & energies, 1 Neo Revelation bag, 2 card box (1 fossil & 1 TR) + 3 assorted boosters from old sets.
They had to empty out their storehouses...
Remember that MTM is most friendly with players & prof than with wizards offices, and sometimes he reveal his plans first to profs and then to the local offices...
So contact him every day, he will ship ASAP the goodies ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted May 18, 2003 04:29 AM
Marcello, where do you get your information about the UK? We UK MPs are in constant communication with each other and the local office: There certainly was intent that it be a FAT but delivery is something completely different.
The only thing certain about June the 14th is that we will be running it. MTM has stated that it won't be a FAT. I believe him. Its not difficult to keep a promise of not doing something.
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'Good News' or 'Bad News' but NOT NO NEWS
some people brag about their tournament results, me I'm gonna brag??? about what players have managed to get past me LOL
-------Hoodwinked---(things I won't get wrong again...)------
'legal stalling' : game loss at least
'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious!
The prize swap penalty as it applies to shuffling.
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posted May 18, 2003 04:37 AM
I'm expecting this thread to be locked as redundant any time now. After all we have been told that there are NO FATS OUTSIDE THE USA
Little point in discussing something that we have been told isn't going to happen.
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'Good News' or 'Bad News' but NOT NO NEWS
some people brag about their tournament results, me I'm gonna brag??? about what players have managed to get past me LOL
-------Hoodwinked---(things I won't get wrong again...)------
'legal stalling' : game loss at least
'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious!
The prize swap penalty as it applies to shuffling.
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posted May 18, 2003 08:47 AM
No,I was saying:
a)Phil is correct and don`t accuse him of being knowledgeless when you are knowledgeless as well.
b)I don`t blame MTM for getting tired of all the same questions over and over(I`m sure he got the gist after the first few times).It`s called harassment btw.
c)Stop sniping at people(this is a rule for all of us).
d)Stop all the complaining until you know for a fact that you guys are going to be screwed over by not getting the stuff.No use wasting time over something you don`t know is going to happen.The past is irrelevant.
e) I hope you guys get your stuff and you know that I have been a supporter of you guys in the past and always will be.
f)No matter if they screw you over again or not,remember it is you guys that will make it a great time,not wotc.The stuff is only icing on the cake if you get it.
What part of that did you not understand?
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posted May 18, 2003 12:48 PM
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d)Stop all the complaining until you know for a fact that you guys are going to be screwed over by not getting the stuff. No use wasting time over something you don`t know is going to happen.The past is irrelevant.
Shakes head and gives up.. the past is an indication of the future and our past has been pretty bleak.
What is wrong with us wanting to know the very same details that you already know?
What is wrong with pointing out the inequalities in the system?
What is wrong with pointing out to people where they don't get it?
As for harrasment I wonder what you could call the behaviour of those who have no knowledge of our position telling us to shut up. Telling us it will happen and that we are complaining about nothing when all the past indications are that we will not share the bounty that the US enjoys.
I am sorry but how can you dismiss 4 years of broken and half kept promises with
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The past is irrelevant.
Seems to me the real quote should be ..
Europe and the UK are irrelevant.
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"a meaningless title is just that ... meaningless"
"London Super Battlezone 2003"
quote the judge...
'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious!
14,000 deck boxes yeah we'll take all of them .... what have I done!
Find the Pokemon League and Tournaments in Kent at:The Gamers Guild
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posted May 18, 2003 02:28 PM
Basically I'm resigned to the fact that I believe we will be forever second best when it comes to dishing out the goodies.I'm not going to have a go at Phil,'Sensei etc because they have their view and if that's what they think then hey!....I'm not going to bash my head against a brick wall anymore.We WILL make our London FAT/SBZ/SE Challenge a success with or without support....and that's the bottom line!
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Freddy K
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posted May 18, 2003 02:43 PM
I wouldn't like to see this thread locked.
Of course the point's been well made, as to how rough a time we have had in the UK.
I really do think that WotC has some part to play in solving this matter. The damage to OP in the UK and Europe though was done a long time ago.
If the prizes for the FATs are commensurate to the sales in each region globally then of course it's justified for the US to have more on offer to those who can make it to their national tournaments.
I guess the question that we aren't asking ourselves is why should the US be shipping free boxes and cut-prize promotional items to other parts of the world?
It's clear that because WotC-UK, WotC-Europe and WotC-US are separate entities, they have separate budgets and priorities are different. One gaining in profit won't mean all three benefit. Shame really, it would make better business sense.
But this is a problem inherent in the system. This is why there's been such disparity in Wizards' support for Pokémon globally. We can see it from the outside but we're not in charge. Maybe the wrong people were, hence the layoffs.
I'm starting to think that we're expecting a little too much here though, to be honest. WotC don't keep promises unless it's worth money. They don't give trips, or cards, or money, or jackets. Even when they've promised to, to winners of tournaments. I won in GenCon-Europe and now WotC have lied about sending me and the second place the jacket promised for the Professor title. They lied about helping a Prof go to indy. They lied about promoting the event. They lied about sending another 10- and 11-14 player to Indy.
And I don't think anyone here likes being lied to, I don't think the members here like to face last minute changes. But money drives the whole system. If there's a buck to be saved at the expense of feelings, it'll be saved.
Honestly, I've had my fill of excuses and poor customer service from WotC-UK. Roll on Nintendo? we'll have to wait and see.
The one thing I really wish WotC chose not to do was to stop 15+ entering for the same prize support that the younger players do. I don't know if their hands were tied or whatever. But I made concessions and commitments to help WotC-UK and it's all been for nothing.
I have stopped caring now about what we get or don't get. I don't need cases and boxes to appreciate Pokémon after WotC pass the baton on. And I have learnt my lessons of supporting games published and made by WotC. At the end of the day, our money is what corporations want.
And I'll be saving mine for the new owners.
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posted May 18, 2003 02:44 PM
Look,there are two ways that this will unfold.Either
A)You will get your stuff or
B)You were lied to and you won`t.
Either way,we won`t know until a few weeks or so from now.What is the point of ranting that you won`t get your stuff when you won`t know until then?Yes,you guys have been short changed in the past.But MTM has said that you will get your stuff.So,unless you are calling him a liar,I suggest you wait and see if you get what he has promised.
What else can we do?Keep on with mindless drivel that you won`t get the stuff?That`s just wasting our time and creating needless tension when it still remains to be seen.
I want to keep this thread open but if we continue to argue on something that has not yet come to pass,there is no point in letting it continue.We have gotten your point that you want to know exactly what is being sent and you have been given your answer.There is no need to beat a dead horse.Other peoples posts that have derailed into the same thing have gotten their posts locked,you guys will be treated equally and the same will happen.
With that said,I really am on your side and hope you get what has been promised but I must ask you to be patient and see how it turns out.Discuss whatever you want but lets get this back on track.
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posted May 18, 2003 04:32 PM
You're right Sensei when you say that this discussion is now about something we'll only know in a couple of weeks.
The situation in the USA, in the UK, in Europe or Italy is what it is, better for the ones, worse for the others. It's too late to change it, we just have to remember that for the future and for what we'll do with Nintendo.
As far as I know, Europe and the UK will not have Fan Appreciation Tournaments. One main event in the UK and one in Europe run by Wizards in 2003 (London is not run by Wizards).
When you're a kid and you compare that with the previous years, when you're a kid who's not interested in big money but buy your boosters on a regular basis, build and test your decks, love the game and your friends you meet at the league, you don't understand why.
You don't understand why kids in other countries have Super Battle Zone, GenCon or Origins with tons of prizes. Why the only tournament on your continent will have less prizes to offer, why you'll not see any of these prizes if you can't be there on that date.
It's a great idea to run events to thank all the players, and I really thank the MT's for that idea. With extra prizes for SBZ all around the country and 2 major events, ALL the players will have the opportunity to play and win.
In Europe, if you can't be in Antwerp or in London, you may just forget it. That's another big difference too !
I'm sure MTM is not a liar, I'm sure he'll do what he has to do and that the prizes will be in Antwerp and in London for the tournaments. But I can understand that the people who run the tournament in London prefer to be sure that they will have prizes to give to the players
Prizes ? No Freddy, no list of what will be offered in Antwerp.
Italy Marcello ? With qualifiers in Milano, Lucca, Palermo and maybe another that I forget, and a National, I don't think Italy is under the European average this year
I hope the kids who'll be in Antwerp or in London will have a lot of fun.
All the others who'll not have the opportunity to be there will may find sites on the web where they'll see reports and pics of previous big events in Europe, and remember how great it was.
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posted May 18, 2003 05:04 PM
Michel: only a little parenthesis for tell you that Italy does not wualify AT ALL to Gen Con/Origins. Our tournaments were about themselves... The only qualifiers our GC gave was for Nationals.
We had Nationals, with a little but good prize support (little when we take a look at USA), but winners of Nationals will not have trips (like past years). Here, WoTC premiere support for Pokémon has stopped with May,11th. And we have time until september to make sanctioned tournaments...
We are all on the same situation. With the exception that some does not have the support of their Wizards office, some have. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted May 18, 2003 05:06 PM
Look folks, I'm all for support in Europe. Dont take my statements the wrong way. I'm pro-Europe because you guys and gals are all one chunk of the community. I know what you have been through. I understand the problems you had and still have with distribution of league/bz kits and boosters (i.e. Expedition). And for that, I'm terribly sorry that is how local Wizards of the Coast offices have causes problems for you... But call me optimistic.
I just think this constant whining and moaning about something that has not come to pass yet is silly. We know its going to happen, so there is no conflict there like we had with the proposed announcement for Challange Series for North America last fall.
I also think that discussion of specifics dealing with the prizes, dates, and organization have yet to have been released publically because they are not set in stone. Again, so much can only be done in a day when contact between continents is involved. There are alot of people involved in this process, its just not MTM. Anyways, in previous years, prizes have not been announced until the month of the event, if at all.
Either way, we'll find out soon and then we can start shooting our mouths off about how terrible something else is that has not been set in stone. Not that I think complaining and arguing is a bad thing. In fact its usually the only way to get things changed. But complaining about something that is not set is stone is like saying tommorow is going to be terrible. Sure, you can relate to the past, but things change. Crap happens.
Replying to comments about the name change: If the Europe Events will have the same prize support as the Fan Appreciation Tournaments at GenCon, Origins, and ComicCon, I dont see the big deal about it being called a Stadium Challange (or something different). Perhaps marketing wanted to use FAT for just the big event at GenCon? Who knows, who cares really? Titles < Prizes.
Either way, my beliefs remain the same, despite my age and location. I've been involved in the judging/organization of events locally and up to date with happening dealing with the game for a very long time. Just because I'm an American does not mean I'm outlawed from reading Michael's Team Belgium, TEGolduck's Team Europe or the Playing Pokemon websites. And just for the record: The name that goes down as the organizer on the DCI Event Report Summary or via Reporter doesnt always mean they did the work. Sometimes they trust an head judge enough to handle their work.
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posted May 19, 2003 03:43 AM
Sure Phil you're not outlawed
As I said, I do agree with you and Sensei, but I do also understand that, according to what happened in the past, my UK friends are anxious and wonder if promises will be kept this time. (Don't forget that Freddy is still running naked, waiting for the jacket he has won at the GenCon in London ![[ROFL]](graemlins/roflmao.gif) )
I don't run the tournament in Antwerp, and if prizes are not there in time, I'll not have to explain it to the players (Wizards will ). In London, it's completely different as Ben and other UK Profs are the TO's. Honestly, I'd prefer not to be in their shoes if they have to announce that prizes are somewhere between Renton and London.
But once again, I'm sure MTM will do the necessary to provide the prizes on time.
Marcello, I thought that the tournaments in Lucca (I was there), Milano, ... would feed Worlds or GenCon. That was said by Wizards Italy anyway, but they've maybe changed their decisions.
I knew that foreign players, even if they met the requirements to be qualified for the Nationals, were not allowed to play that tournament. If we had been allowed to play, I'm sure we would have been there as my daughter was second in Lucca and it was a great opportunity to have a lot of fun with the Italian players, Profs and staff.
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posted May 19, 2003 04:19 AM
Hi guys,
I do understand all your frustration. That prizelist for GenCon and Origins is just un believable. I gave up a long time ago on our distributors and realized that we just won't have another Gothenburg event no matter how much we want it.....
I have posted a topic in the trading section cause I would like to help my fellow Europeans if there is stuff I have left over from my league that you guys would like to have.
Feel free to check it out and email me.
Good luck guys in the events you do have at hand, I won't be able to come though. It would just cost way too much.
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posted May 19, 2003 07:19 AM
Michel: if you remember, they told that they were not sure about Worlds qualifier. It was assured only the qualifier for Nationals.
But nationals are exclusive for italian players...
So anyone from Europe in Indy?
It's a bad bad thing ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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* A proud Pokémon Professor
* Member of Team Europe
* Judge in many Wizards' Premier Events
* Gym Leader of PKMN League in Sassari (Italy)
* Nidoking #1 Trainer
* Proud Team Rocket member!
* AKA Milord/Tuxedo Mask
"Arrendetevi subito, oppure preparatevi a combattere!"
"Miao, proprio cosě!"
(Italian TR end of motto)
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posted May 19, 2003 01:04 PM
So,anyway,have you heard the one about the WOTC official who said.....Doh!!
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posted May 19, 2003 01:47 PM
Is that like the Ford Salesman who only wears Honda jackets out in the street?
Or is that like the naked 3b looking for his prof jacket that has been mislaid
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